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Senate Bill 5 Targets Collective Bargaining for Elimination!

  • Writerbuckeye
    You aren't raising MY kids, since all of my "children" have four paws and a tail. :)
  • CinciX12
    Writerbuckeye;682892 wrote:You aren't raising MY kids, since all of my "children" have four paws and a tail. :)

    Well hell, they could probably get into college for free as minorities then. You're set on that end.
  • redstreak one
    Has anyone found how much money this will save our state each year? In an article about Wisconsin, they predicted about 300 million out of a deficit of 3.9 billion. So basically 1/13th of the problem.
  • Manhattan Buckeye
    CinciX12;682891 wrote:I think because Ernest was the one that brought it up from a teacher's perspective, everyone is ignoring the ramifications it will have for the rest of state employees. Teachers only make up half of who this bill will affect. It will also affect the people you need someday like cops, firefighters, ems, and employees in the emergency rooms you are being brought to in some cities.

    Again, what makes them special and immune from the economy? Don't public servants need us just as much as we need them? Where do you think their paychecks come from? Of course it affects them, that's the whole point - we've had close to four years of dwindling tax bases and decades of overspending. For the zillionth time it isn't even political, it is math and economics. I'm sure I need public employees for various services, likewise they need my tax dollars or else they don't get paid.
  • jmog
    redstreak one;682900 wrote:Has anyone found how much money this will save our state each year? In an article about Wisconsin, they predicted about 300 million out of a deficit of 3.9 billion. So basically 1/13th of the problem.

    No one said this is the final end all/be all, there will be more cuts to come in other areas as well.
  • jmog
    CinciX12;682891 wrote:I think because Ernest was the one that brought it up from a teacher's perspective, everyone is ignoring the ramifications it will have for the rest of state employees. Teachers only make up half of who this bill will affect. It will also affect the people you need someday like cops, firefighters, ems, and employees in the emergency rooms you are being brought to in some cities.

    We all understand this, we aren't morons ;).
  • redstreak one
    What areas? Anyone know? My only major problem with this bill is the unnamed plan on the merit system. I would think one would want to have something lined up on this issue.
  • CinciX12
    Manhattan Buckeye;682902 wrote:Again, what makes them special and immune from the economy? Don't public servants need us just as much as we need them? Where do you think their paychecks come from? Of course it affects them, that's the whole point - we've had close to four years of dwindling tax bases and decades of overspending. For the zillionth time it isn't even political, it is math and economics. I'm sure I need public employees for various services, likewise they need my tax dollars or else they don't get paid.

    Well on my end, I don't really need anyone. All of you are retarded and wreck your cars horrifically and hurt yourself with chainsaws, etc. My future is set no matter what the economy is lol.
  • O-Trap
    bonelizzard;682880 wrote:uh huh.. I believe you. +1
    Oh.

    Have fun copying and pasting that exact same post over and over again ... and then claiming that other people are post padding. :rolleyes:
    Fab4Runner;682881 wrote:I am not sure how post count is relevant to this thread at all...but okay. We're all here to do the same thing you are doing: voice our opinions and engage in conversation and debate. Just because someone has a different view than you doesn't mean they are here to pad their posts. That literally makes zero sense.
    Don't be logical. Some people don't follow it well.
    Fab4Runner;682881 wrote:Believe it or not you can actually learn a lot from reading through the various threads in this forum. I know a few teachers but do not speak to any on a daily basis. Hearing from ernest, gblock, etc is giving me a chance to hear their side of things. Just because I haven't changed my opinion doesn't mean I haven't been taking the information to heart.
    Indeed. Hearing someone from the other side of the issue, who is open to true discussion (instead of copying and pasting the exact same post over and over again ... talk about padding posts!) like ETB and a few others on here.
  • CinciX12
    jmog;682908 wrote:We all understand this, we aren't morons ;).

    I didn't mean it like that. I suppose I just didn't want the thread to turn into the topic of only belittling teachers. Which was a smart choice as 'nap time' was starting to get thrown around haha.
  • jmog
    bonelizzard;682889 wrote:sure we have nap time for your kids at school.. lol.. because the parents can't get the kids to bed on time the night before.. ha
    whatever it takes to raise your kids.. we're all one big happy family.

    I raise my own kids sir, I understand that quite a few idiot parents send their kids off to school with no breakfast, no lunch, and expect the school to take care of everything. I know some idiot parents never help their kids with their homework, projects, etc.

    However, in my house we eat 3 meals a day, provided by us (not school free lunches) and everyday as soon as i get home from work it is always homework time with dad to answer any questions.

    So no, the school isn't raising my kids, my wife and I are raising them.
  • bonelizzard
    O-Trap;682912 wrote:Oh.

    Have fun copying and pasting that exact same post over and over again ... and then claiming that other people are post padding. :rolleyes:



    Hearing someone from the other side of the issue, who is open to true discussion (instead of copying and pasting the exact same post over and over again ... talk about padding posts!) like ETB and a few others on here.
    oh so you are familiar with padding posts.. ok, I didn't think that mattered to you... lol.. i like the rolling eyes too.. really cracks me up..
    that report must be done now that you have time to post here on the Chatter..
  • Con_Alma
    You can have my posts if you want. I have offered many times.
  • CinciX12
    Stop...lol...doing this.
  • bonelizzard
    jmog;682916 wrote:I raise my own kids sir, I understand that quite a few idiot parents send their kids off to school with no breakfast, no lunch, and expect the school to take care of everything. I know some idiot parents never help their kids with their homework, projects, etc.

    However, in my house we eat 3 meals a day, provided by us (not school free lunches) and everyday as soon as i get home from work it is always homework time with dad to answer any questions.

    So no, the school isn't raising my kids, my wife and I are raising them.
    That's outstanding.. Wish all parents were like you. I commend you..
  • Con_Alma
    The day a school or teacher takes on the role of raising my kids is the day they are no longer the school or teacher we choose to assist us in the educational process.
  • tsst_fballfan
    Am I missing something? Why does post count matter with regards to anything? Does it give you some special access or privilege?
  • Con_Alma
    I don't know that it does. Even if it did, it would not be a privilege or access that I would ever be seeking.
  • Writerbuckeye
    redstreak one;682900 wrote:Has anyone found how much money this will save our state each year? In an article about Wisconsin, they predicted about 300 million out of a deficit of 3.9 billion. So basically 1/13th of the problem.

    This will have major impact at local levels, like school districts, by giving them more control over costs. Obviously, staffing is the bulk of what it costs to run a school district.

    As for the state, every penny counts at this point, and I'm thinking this will probably end up saving more than that when everything is taken into account.
  • Fly4Fun
    I'm not the official mod of this forum.... but lets keep this thread on topic and end all ridiculous talk of post count.

    (End of my moderator related speech and onto my personal opinion.)

    Bonelizzard,

    It is easy to tell when someone has run out of intelligent things to say... they resort to ad hominem attacks or resort to talking about things that have nothing to do with the discussion at hand (e.g. post counts). Instead of just repeating the same list of people and making blanket statements how it is bad, you could become involved in the discussion in a meaningful manner.
  • O-Trap
    Fly4Fun;682982 wrote:Bonelizzard,

    It is easy to tell when someone has run out of intelligent things to say... they resort to ad hominem attacks or resort to talking about things that have nothing to do with the discussion at hand (e.g. post counts). Instead of just repeating the same list of people and making blanket statements how it is bad, you could become involved in the discussion in a meaningful manner.

    To be fair to bonelizzard, I think he was trying to be involved in a relevant way. I can't question his motives, and I'm not going to belittle him otherwise.
  • ernest_t_bass
    O-Trap;682912 wrote:like ETB and a few others on here.

    This post is meant to discredit O-Trap's theory that I am adding useful discussion to this topic. Let this post show that O-Trap doesn't know what he is talking about. :D

  • ernest_t_bass
    Whoever made the comment about a 4-day weekend. I have the day off today, but only because we had PT conferences on Wednesday/Thursday night. We have school on Monday. Not that any of you care, but I didn't get home until 10:00 on Wednesday b/c of work commitments and 8:30 on Thursday b/c of conferences. I rule.
  • Fly4Fun
    O-Trap;682998 wrote:To be fair to bonelizzard, I think he was trying to be involved in a relevant way. I can't question his motives, and I'm not going to belittle him otherwise.

    I don't disagree that he is trying to be involved. That's why I threw in the word meaningful. Generally the politics board here tries to refrain from a lot of the lousy rhetoric that happens in the rest of the forums on this board. All I was saying is that everyone should stay to the topic at hand and end the discussion of post counts. And on that note, I'm going to stop with my criticizing of said activity as well. Just get back to discussing Senate Bill 5.

    Thanks and enjoy the warm weather while it lasts.
  • Gblock
    ernest_t_bass;683002 wrote:Whoever made the comment about a 4-day weekend. I have the day off today, but only because we had PT conferences on Wednesday/Thursday night. We have school on Monday. Not that any of you care, but I didn't get home until 10:00 on Wednesday b/c of work commitments and 8:30 on Thursday b/c of conferences. I rule.

    me too