Governor Kasich

• Altor

  I can only imagine what was going through the author's head.

  "Oh, this is an easy fact to check. Let me just look it...crap. Ohio has added 45,000 jobs since January. Well, I've already marked it as "mostly false," so I'm going to write 2/3s of my article on why the metric isn't valid (using mostly opinions and anecdotes as evidence). But, instead of actually arguing that it's not a valid metric, I'll spin it so that Kasich comes off as a liar."

  I didn't see Kasich on Fox News, and I can't find a transcript of "Fox and Friends" at the moment. But from what was quoted there, "We've created" could just as easily mean "The citizens of Ohio have created" as it could mean "My administration has created". Without the rest of the transcript to give context, Kasich could just as easily have been touting Ohio business owners as he was touting his administration.
• Bigdogg

  Altor;893640 wrote:I can only imagine what was going through the author's head.
  I didn't see Kasich on Fox News, and I can't find a transcript of "Fox and Friends" at the moment. But from what was quoted there, "We've created" could just as easily mean "The citizens of Ohio have created" as it could mean "My administration has created". Without the rest of the transcript to give context, Kasich could just as easily have been touting Ohio business owners as he was touting his administration.

  Sorry, that's never been his style to credit anyone else. Don't you know when he was in Congress he single handily balanced the budget? He is a lying, arrogant POS.
• fish82

  

  Bigdogg;894221 wrote:Sorry, that's never been his style to credit anyone else. Don't you know when he was in Congress he single handily balanced the budget? He is a lying, arrogant POS.

  Did anyone else besides Kasich write a balanced budget?
• believer

  

  fish82;895129 wrote:Did anyone else besides Kasich write a balanced budget?

  Sure....Pelosi did but she was too busy trying to pass it to read what was in it.
• Bigdogg

  believer;895512 wrote:Sure....Pelosi did but she was too busy trying to pass it to read what was in it.

  Seriously dude, what other half truths you want to pull up from the Rush radio hour?
• Bigdogg

  In spite of King James "Jobs Budget, and "Robs Ohio" the unemployment rate in Ohio ticked up in August for the third consecutive month to 9.1 percent. Nice job Kasich, where are the jobs you promised during your campaign?
  
  http://www.daytondailynews.com/business/ohio-jobless-rate-up-for-third-straight-month-1254333.html
• fish82

  

  Look for it to go even higher when local governments start firing your public employee buddies after SB5 gets repealed. Then you people will really have something to cry about.
• I Wear Pants

  fish82;898792 wrote:Look for it to go even higher when local governments start firing your public employee buddies after SB5 gets repealed. Then you people will really have something to cry about.

  And this makes you happy why?
• fish82

  

  I Wear Pants;899103 wrote:And this makes you happy why?

  Where did I say it makes me happy? I'm just pointing out facts to those who can benefit from my knowledge.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  He's just noting that with SB 5 just out there as a "threat", school boards have generally done more in bargaining than they've most done in past years. Employees are paying more into insurance and retirement, and local bodies, like school boards, are saving money. As a result, fewer people are having to be laid off under union contract.
  
  If SB 5 is rejected at the polls, it will be business as usual, and you will see far more teachers and other local government workers getting laid off because that's how the union contract deals with fiscal shortages. It doesn't try to mediate and share costs, so everyone can keep their jobs -- it simply says those who have been there longest get to stay while everyone else gets canned.
• Abe Vigoda

  

  Writerbuckeye;901472 wrote:He's just noting that with SB 5 just out there as a "threat", school boards have generally done more in bargaining than they've most done in past years. Employees are paying more into insurance and retirement, and local bodies, like school boards, are saving money. As a result, fewer people are having to be laid off under union contract.
  
  If SB 5 is rejected at the polls, it will be business as usual, and you will see far more teachers and other local government workers getting laid off because that's how the union contract deals with fiscal shortages. It doesn't try to mediate and share costs, so everyone can keep their jobs -- it simply says those who have been there longest get to stay while everyone else gets canned.

  
  I am sorry but that is just repeating a lie that has been put out there by Building a Better Ohio. The facts do not support your statement. Show me your proof.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Abe Vigoda;902898 wrote:I am sorry but that is just repeating a lie that has been put out there by Building a Better Ohio. The facts do not support your statement. Show me your proof.

  There's more evidence about Wisconsin at this point than Ohio, but the reforms are almost exactly the same. Here's what they've found in Wisconsin so far. There's no reason to believe the results in Ohio will be any different.
  
  http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/walker-s-vindication_577310.html?nopager=1
• Abe Vigoda

  

  Writerbuckeye;902973 wrote:There's more evidence about Wisconsin at this point than Ohio, but the reforms are almost exactly the same. Here's what they've found in Wisconsin so far. There's no reason to believe the results in Ohio will be any different.
  
  http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/walker-s-vindication_577310.html?nopager=1

  I don't think so. I guy that writes a conservative blog says so? Right, I get it.
  
  http://newsjunkiepost.com/2011/02/18/debunking-tea-party-talking-points-in-wisconsin/
• Writerbuckeye

  

  A blog related to a very respected magazine and website. Hardly just some joe off the street.
• QuakerOats

  http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-27/kasich-urges-four-state-natural-gas-fleet-that-may-expand-honda-gm-market.html
  
  Continued strong leadership and good vision by Kasich.
  
  Real change we can believe in .....
• Writerbuckeye

  

  QuakerOats;913041 wrote:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-27/kasich-urges-four-state-natural-gas-fleet-that-may-expand-honda-gm-market.html
  
  Continued strong leadership and good vision by Kasich.
  
  Real change we can believe in .....

  Waiting on doggie to come here and tell us all about the evils of fracking and how Kasich is just trying to ruin the environment in four states instead of one.
• believer

  

  Writerbuckeye;913279 wrote:Waiting on doggie to come here and tell us all about the evils of fracking and how Kasich is just trying to ruin the environment in four states instead of one.

  Tapping into natural gas is apparently a whole new phenomenon here in Pennsylvania. I laugh in our morning discussions as some of the locals express fear of natural gas lines being laid near their properties and the hysteria over fracking.
  
  I explained to them that I used nothing but natural gas for many years in Ohio and that I never heard of any MAJOR catastrophe due to gas lines or fracking for that matter.
  
  But the lefties in our group are playing up the chicken little thing. Blows me away.
• QuakerOats

  The enviro-radicals are waaaay off base. Fracking has been in use for 60 years; over a million wells, with nary an incident. I have been somewhat immersed in this issue over the last year, and it could easily be the greatest opportunity for economic growth, energy independence, and employment in the last 50 years. The process is the result of the marriage of fracking technology with horizontal drilling technology, and believe me, the energy companies realize that the Marcellus and Utica shales represent huge plays and they are not about to mess things up with shoddy safety procedures. Ohio can literally be the next Saudi Arabia. Kudos to Kasich for recognizing this and doing all he can to get the ball rolling.
• Bigdogg

  New poll says Kasich still the least popular Gov in the nation! Idiot!
  

  There has been basically no change in how Ohioans feel about their governor since PPP last polled the state in August. John Kasich is still the least popular governor in the country, with only 37% approving and 54% disapproving of his job performance. That is bad news heading into this fall’s election, as one of his signature accomplishments, Senate Bill 5, is on the ballot, and would be rejected handily if voters were at the polls today. It could also portend bad results for next year’s election. President Obama is pretty unpopular in Ohio, but Kasich even more so, and his crusading against labor could galvanize Obama’s troops and give him an antagonist with independents.

  http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/10/kasichs-anti-labor-bill-headed-for-resounding-defeat-this-fall.html#more
• Writerbuckeye

  

  That paragraph was written by an idiot.
  
  I don't care how unpopular Kasich may be at this time -- it won't have zip to do with helping Obama in Ohio next November. If the economy is still in the tank and unemployment high, Obama is toast in the Buckeye State.
  
  My next question is: how slanted toward Democrats is the PPP poll?
  
  Okay, followed the link. Ten percent more Dems than Republicans polled and 61 percent of those polled identified themselves as moderate to very liberal. That does not accurately reflect the views of the people most likely to vote in any given election in Ohio.
• I Wear Pants

  QuakerOats;914073 wrote:The enviro-radicals are waaaay off base. Fracking has been in use for 60 years; over a million wells, with nary an incident. I have been somewhat immersed in this issue over the last year, and it could easily be the greatest opportunity for economic growth, energy independence, and employment in the last 50 years. The process is the result of the marriage of fracking technology with horizontal drilling technology, and believe me, the energy companies realize that the Marcellus and Utica shales represent huge plays and they are not about to mess things up with shoddy safety procedures. Ohio can literally be the next Saudi Arabia. Kudos to Kasich for recognizing this and doing all he can to get the ball rolling.

  While I agree that some are playing the hyperbole card on the "gonna ruin everything" side, this is equally hyperbolic on the "greatest thing ever" side.
• Bigdogg

  Writerbuckeye;938998 wrote:That paragraph was written by an idiot.
  
  I don't care how unpopular Kasich may be at this time -- it won't have zip to do with helping Obama in Ohio next November. If the economy is still in the tank and unemployment high, Obama is toast in the Buckeye State.
  
  My next question is: how slanted toward Democrats is the PPP poll?
  
  Okay, followed the link. Ten percent more Dems than Republicans polled and 61 percent of those polled identified themselves as moderate to very liberal. That does not accurately reflect the views of the people most likely to vote in any given election in Ohio.

  This poll is tracking at about the same numbers as the others. Also you fail to take note that 53% of the respondents identified themselves as Republican or Independent. Based on my experience and training in actually conducting valid opinion polls, I see you have lots of things to be concerned about at this point in time. By the way, my training and education was at Ball state University Institute for Policy Research and Otis R. Bowen Institute on Political Participation. What is your background and education on polling?
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Bigdogg;939576 wrote:This poll is tracking at about the same numbers as the others. Also you fail to take note that 53% of the respondents identified themselves as Republican or Independent. Based on my experience and training in actually conducting valid opinion polls, I see you have lots of things to be concerned about at this point in time. By the way, my training and education was at Ball state University Institute for Policy Research and Otis R. Bowen Institute on Political Participation. What is your background and education on polling?

  
  
  Journalism training, on the job experience, 30 plus years of media relations and -- most important of all -- common sense.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Bigdogg;939576 wrote:This poll is tracking at about the same numbers as the others. Also you fail to take note that 53% of the respondents identified themselves as Republican or Independent. Based on my experience and training in actually conducting valid opinion polls, I see you have lots of things to be concerned about at this point in time. By the way, my training and education was at Ball state University Institute for Policy Research and Otis R. Bowen Institute on Political Participation. What is your background and education on polling?

  Let's be clear: 37 percent identified as Republican (compared to 47 percent Democrat). There can be a world of difference between the views of Republicans and "independents".
• queencitybuckeye

  Did someone actually brag about attending Testicle Tech? Why not just have "dipshit" tatooed on your forehead?