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Two Muslims know real reason behind mosque proposal near Ground Zero

  • ptown_trojans_1
    Also, interesting and sad:
    Poll shows more Americans think Obama is a Muslim
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/18/AR2010081806913.html?hpid=topnews
  • CenterBHSFan
    ptown_trojans_1;455945 wrote:Also, interesting and sad:
    Poll shows more Americans think Obama is a Muslim
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/18/AR2010081806913.html?hpid=topnews
    haha! I don't think that Jeremiah Wright "preached" Islam.

    Obama attendend Wright's church of the poisoned mind too long for anything else.
  • BigAppleBuckeye
    Bigdogg;455937 wrote:An interesting article from the American Muslim prospective.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/18/AR2010081806714.html?hpid=topnews

    Nice contribution Bigdogg. This quote really hit home:

    "We are at a cusp," said Haris Tarin, director of the Washington office of the Muslim Public Affairs Council. "The thing that has personally affected me the most is that the individuals who call this an act of insensitivity forget that Muslim Americans were victims on 9/11 also. Our country was attacked. Our neighbors were attacked. . . . Our faith was hijacked on that day."
  • I Wear Pants
    ptown_trojans_1;455945 wrote:Also, interesting and sad:
    Poll shows more Americans think Obama is a Muslim
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/18/AR2010081806913.html?hpid=topnews
    It's amazing how much power over people both ends of the political spectrum have.
  • jhay78
    BigAppleBuckeye;455064 wrote:Ahhh, the classic "Two Wrongs Make a Right" stance. They also don't eat pork there: should be start banning barbecue joints?

    Ahhh, the classic "missed the point of my post and didn't refute anything I said". It's not "wrong" for the NYC city council, or zoning board, or whatever, to restrict that site for something else (historical monument, perhaps) other than a mosque/ community center that will raise American eyebrows and open old sensitivities and wounds.

    I still say it's hypocritical for Rauf and other Muslims to lecture us about tolerance and religious freedom, when the most Muslim-populated countries (Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Indonesia, etc. etc.) set the bar pretty high for intolerance and religious bigotry.
    ptown_trojans_1;455945 wrote:Also, interesting and sad:
    Poll shows more Americans think Obama is a Muslim
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/18/AR2010081806913.html?hpid=topnews

    I think Obama thinks Obama is a Muslim:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGdkqfBICw
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/07/obama-verbal-slip-fuels-his-critics/?page=2
    "Let's not play games," he said. "What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you're absolutely right that that has not come."

    Mr. Stephanopoulos interrupted with, "Christian faith."

    "My Christian faith," Mr. Obama said quickly. "Well, what I'm saying is that he hasn't suggested that I'm a Muslim. And I think that his campaign's upper echelons have not, either.
    LOL at Stephanopoulos correcting him. Yeah, I forget which religion I adhere to all the time. And the article says people take the quote out of context, but if you fit "Christian" into Obama's "slip of the tongue", it doesn't make sense. Why would John McCain talk about his Christian faith? That quote, along with several of Mr. Obama's actions, gives people reasons to wonder.
  • I Wear Pants
    It's just a slip up in how he phrased it. Of course you won't see it that way. He's saying that McCain hadn't talked about his supposed Muslim fate because McCain was busy arguing about real things. Because McCain had class.

    What you don't seem to understand is that Rauf and other Muslims in America shouldn't be held to the standards of middle eastern nations. They are not middle eastern. They are American citizens.
  • isadore
    LJ drinks his own piss
  • CenterBHSFan
    uhh.... what?
  • Prescott
    What you don't seem to understand is that Rauf and other Muslims in America shouldn't be held to the standards of middle eastern nations.
    Should they understand that this is a sensitive issue for many Americans? Should they show some empathy and display their compassion by backing off?
  • I Wear Pants
    Yes they should. And perhaps.
  • Prescott
    It seems to me that backing off would be a great PR move in the yes of many,many Americans. It might change some negative opinions.
  • jhay78
    I Wear Pants;456186 wrote:It's just a slip up in how he phrased it. Of course you won't see it that way. He's saying that McCain hadn't talked about his supposed Muslim fate because McCain was busy arguing about real things. Because McCain had class.

    What you don't seem to understand is that Rauf and other Muslims in America shouldn't be held to the standards of middle eastern nations. They are not middle eastern. They are American citizens.

    I'll hold Rauf to American standards, and all of the following should make one wonder:
    Such as when Imam Rauf said:

    --Less than three weeks after 9/11 on CBS' ''60 Minutes" that "United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened (on 9/11)...Because we have been accessory to a lot of innocent lives dying in the world."

    --Again on the same program when America mourned nearly 3,000 dead that "in fact, in the most direct sense, Obama bin Laden is made in the USA."

    --"The U.S. must acknowledge the harm they have done to Muslims before terrorism can end" (Wafa Sultan, "A Mosque at Ground Zero Equals Victory" Hudson, New York, May 19, 2010).

    --In response to a question about whether he condemns Hamas terrorism, that "I'm not a politician. I try to avid the issues. The issue of terrorism is a very complex question. I'm a bridge builder. I do not want to be placed in a position where I am the target of one side or the other." (World Net Daily, June 20, 2010)

    These statements by Imam Rauf don't exactly mesh with the Post's assurances to its readers that he would do great things for "religious tolerance and healing." And they also seem to give a somewhat different picture of Imam Rauf than the Wilson-Shear portrayal of him as "one of the loudest Muslim voices condemning the Sept. 11 attacks."
    It shouldn't be too difficult to call Hamas a terrorist organization, but Rauf seems to have a hard time doing so. I just question his true intentions and his waving the banner of "bridge-builder".

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/washington_post_glosses_over_i.html

    "I do not want to be placed in a position where I am the target of one side or the other."

    He put himself in that position by trying to build a mosque/community center near Ground Zero.
  • BoatShoes
    jhay78;456343 wrote:I'll hold Rauf to American standards, and all of the following should make one wonder:



    It shouldn't be too difficult to call Hamas a terrorist organization, but Rauf seems to have a hard time doing so. I just question his true intentions and his waving the banner of "bridge-builder".

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/washington_post_glosses_over_i.html

    "I do not want to be placed in a position where I am the target of one side or the other."

    He put himself in that position by trying to build a mosque/community center near Ground Zero.

    Glenn Beck; the herald of the tea party movement said similar things regarding America being an accessory...

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-16-2010/mosque-erade
  • Bigdogg
    The also did not read this part:

    "The proximity of the proposed community center to the site of the terrorist attacks may be fueling the debate, but Muslims who support Park51 say they are not impinging on Ground Zero. There are at least two other mosques in the neighborhood: Masjid al-Farah, where one of Park51's organizers, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, served as prayer leader until 2009, sits 12 blocks from Ground Zero, and Masjid Manhattan, which was founded in 1970, is four blocks away.

    "There's nothing on that block," Monkush said. "The place is so deserted, honestly, you can't even see anything from there -- Ground Zero, you can't see it."
  • Ankle Breaker
    Just try putting up a Christian church building in the Muslim countries and see what happens. How long before it is blown up?
  • ptown_trojans_1
    Ankle Breaker;456652 wrote:Just try putting up a Christian church building in the Muslim countries and see what happens. How long before it is blown up?

    You mean like Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey, etc?
    Weak argument.

    I've actually been to some of my best church services when I was in Damascus (the old city, traditional Catholic mass in Arabic and Latin. Bought an English/ Arabic Bible there) and Lebanon (Beirut Eastern Orthodox service.)
  • Ankle Breaker
    No, I mean Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia - where a majority of the suicide bombers come from. Strong argument. Go around passing out Bibles there for a while and see what happens.
  • BoatShoes
    Ankle Breaker;456701 wrote:No, I mean Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia - where a majority of the suicide bombers come from. Strong argument. Go around passing out Bibles there for a while and see what happens.

    And what bearing should that have on american citizens building a mosque in America?
  • cbus4life
    BoatShoes;456822 wrote:And what bearing should that have on american citizens building a mosque in America?

    None, yet so many people seem to think that they automatically win the debate whenever they throw it out there.

    Completely irrelevant.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/19/AR2010081906506.html?wpisrc=nl_headline
    I've been to it. It's very nice.
  • HitsRus
    That is an excellent compromise....a prayer room. A nice unobtrusive chapel.

    And what bearing should that have on american citizens building a mosque in America?
    about the same relevance as posting some obscure rant from Glenn Beck.
  • jhay78

    Not sure that's comparable to the NYC situation
    "It's true that the chapel in the Pentagon isn't a mosque; it's designed for use by many faiths. Each week, it hosts a Catholic Mass, Protestant, Episcopal and Hindu services, a Church of Latter-day Saints Bible study, and a Jewish service and Torah study in addition to the Muslim prayers and service. "
  • Glory Days
    a few things i would like to point out:

    muslim americans were killed on 9/11.
    this "hallowed ground" the mosque is being built on was an old Burlington Coat Factory.
    there is a mosque 4 blocks away from ground zero that no one cared about, but 2 blocks, well shit, now your too close.
    there is also a mosque in the pentagon(or a place to atleast practice islam, same thing to me), no one has raised a fuss about that yet.
    and how is building this mosque near ground zero going to make it anymore "terrorist like" or dangerous than if it was being built a 1,000 miles away?
  • CenterBHSFan
    HitsRus;456854 wrote: about the same relevance as posting some obscure rant from Glenn Beck.

    Well, there are some folks on here that listen/watch Glenn Beck.
    The flipside to that is that doesn't mean that the listeners of GB agree with everything he says or does.
    I think there's a common misconception about conservatives: that they cannot have a thought of their own. I'm not saying that that is what BS is trying to show. But for instance, my conservative views have been forming since Clinton's second term and the tea party and GB have nothing to do with my views. For people like me, GB's views and dramatics mean nothing.
  • BoatShoes
    HitsRus;456854 wrote:That is an excellent compromise....a prayer room. A nice unobtrusive chapel.




    about the same relevance as posting some obscure rant from Glenn Beck.

    I thought it was relevant because people think the Imam may be a threat to America because he suggested America may have done some things to "have it coming" in regards to 9/11 and that if he is a threat, why might not a conservative commentator be considered the same thing instead of leading the charge against the Imam?

    Perhaps it was a stretch. Fair enough.