The Shrinking Middle Class and Perhaps a Manic Appeal to my Conservative Friends.

• isadore

  majorspark;438820 wrote:And here I thought you leftists were telling me the dress code at tea party rallies was a white robe and hood. I will gladly sport my Kentucky Resolution T-shirt. By the way Kentucky was a Union state.
  
  
  
  Yes some of them were wrong. Bad guys got into power in some states. Just as some bad guys got into power at the federal level. Shoveled the Native Americans of to the most infertile pieces of property our vast nation has to offer. A system of apartheid our federal government honors today.
  
  Correction: Elitist opinion opposes fair tax because it is another panacea to solve all our problems like free silver or solar power.
  
  The American people need to wake up. Politicians just tell them what they want to hear. Their primary objective is to gain and hold power over the people. Anything else is secondary. Sure they will trumpet themselves as fighters for the middle class. Yet in practice kick them in the balls.
  
  I only hope the middle class wakes up before it is too late and rests power out of the elitists hands who claim to know what is best for them.

  States Righters know from experience that the robe and hood are for night time events. The Kentucky Resolution precedes the Civil War by more than 60 years. It and the Virginia Resolutions were authored by Jefferson and Madison, they justified state nullification of federal law. They had very pernicious effect on the history of our country. Treatment of the Indians was a policy was on the federal government by the states. The trail of tears is replete with states abrogating federal power to abuse the Indians, refusing to obey Supreme Court decisions. The Indian reservation system as it has exists now is far from apartheid. Native Americans can chose to live on the reservation under tribal rule or to leave. If they leave they are fully accepted in American society, in schools, public accomodation, hiring and housing. That has been the situation for several decades, something far different than Jim Crow South under the states rights regimes.
  And what kind of quality folks push Fair Tax. Outside of its possible ties with Scientology y ou begin with racist radio talk show host Neal Boortz and Congressman John Linder, who took free trips from Jack Abramoff being its original advocates. Only the best and brightest are trying to sell us this white elephant.
• HitsRus

  

  ...and in the news this morning from the AP
  http://www.ohio.com/news/nation/99740069.html
  
  
  Yes, EVEN THE THREAT taxes on the wealthy do affect the economy and jobs.
  
  Some very legitimate points were made about Foreign tax credits by footwedge and Boatshoes....which are certainly worthy of discussion as a/the major factor of outsourcing of jobs overseas. This is a matter of closing tax loopholes that encourage such behavior...not about raising taxes on the wealthy. What I disagree with in their posts is demonizing corporations for taking advantage. A good CEO SHOULD do what is best for his company's bottom line. That is his job. One would hope that a corporation would act with social conscience also, but it has to be realized that that is a luxury that might not be possible in a competitive market.
  This underscores the effect of taxes...and more specifically tax policy on economic growth. Most certainly an eye has to be kept on our policies globally...and how they affect the competitiveness of our products, social rhetoric notwithstanding. High taxes hurt everybody...and affect the middle class in every case.
• isadore

  sjmvsfscs08;438822 wrote:Welfare spending goes up.....
  
  
  
  ...and so does the number of people being dependent on it....
  
  
  
  
  
  
  isadore I found those videos via a brief google search. Weren't they on vimeo and youtube? I don't really know what you're talking about. But it works for Democrats to call everyone who thinks welfare needs some tweaking a racist. Isn't that what I said could be happening? You are proof of it with every word you type. Oh I just haaaaaaaaaattttteeee the poor, can't stand them! Plus I'm racist too!!!! BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!!
  
  Get a fucking clue.

  If you are going to use charts, try to make them readable. The top chart is almost impossible to read.
  As we examine the charts, the first thing we notice is they do not reflect a change in population. In 1930 the population was 123 million, 1960 179 million, 2010 310 million that can account for much of the growth especially in the second chart. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
  
  The second chart supplies no definition of who is counted and what serves as the basis for them being considered dependent. Do they consider people on social security dependent? If so that could be a reason for the change. US population nearly doubled in that time, plus the life expectancy went from 67 to 78.
  http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005140.html
  http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=sp_dyn_le00_in&idim=country:USA&dl=en&hl=en&q=united+states+life+expectancy
  https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html
  Does your first chart in anyway allow for inflation. Inflation since 1930 is about 1500%. That might some effect. Does your chart allow for that, I can not tell the print is so small.
  [url]ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/cpi/cpiai.txt[/url]
  Medicaid of course has been added in 1965. I know you prefer we not spend on health care for these needy folks. Let them die off and decrease your tax bill. Do you pay income tax? Did they teach you about this stuff in Quiz Bowl.

  sjmvsfscs08 wrote:I don't think you have a fucking clue what hard work, or to willingness to actually earn something, is. Of course, it's much easier to point the finger at someone and say they hate the poor than to turn around and see the millions of people who live off the government with no real plan of changing that. Was I talking about Appalachia earlier? Hell no. I was referring to the poor in the cities who game the system on a consistent basis. Government housing, government food, government aid for children, government stipends. How blatantly can I put it, it's no temporary, it's a fucking lifestyle.

  You sure seem to have a thing about the Urban Poor. And who are those people in your videos that you selected.
  
  I know you did some editing but you did and you may still have a video on there “15 kid welfare mom: Somebody Owes Me.” As the video is labeled the source is Diversity is Crap. Com a racist, anti semitic website.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  As far as the mother with all those kids, the only thing anybody owes her is some condoms.
  Or perhaps a tubal.
  Or maybe teach her the phrase "not tonight, I've got a headache"
• Footwedge

  CenterBHSFan;438962 wrote:As far as the mother with all those kids, the only thing anybody owes her is some condoms.
  Or perhaps a tubal.
  Or maybe teach her the phrase "not tonight, I've got a headache"

  Pocket rockets are on sale too.
• HitsRus

  

  Reading the chart...despite the introduction of the Great Society and Medicaid programs...those dependent on government grew on a % basis from about 10% to 20%
• Footwedge

  Don't know how accurate this source is...but 1.7% of Americans receive 50% or more of their income from welfare. 8% receive some assistance...and surprisingly, a higher percentage of white people receive welfare over black people...
  
  http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percentage_of_people_in_us_are_on_welfare