That kid sucks so bad. He's a spoon fed liberal billboard, and a dumbass.

posted by iclfan2

That kid sucks so bad. He's a spoon fed liberal billboard, and a dumbass.

I don't know....looks to me like two different publications put contradictory words in his mouth.

And while those officers may have been outgunned, they also have training and outnumbered him.  They could have maybe found some cover and had him pinned down in a cross-fire even if they couldn't get close enough to shoot accurately.

Belly Views and Opinion .... 

Lots of comments and opinions I would love to debate with everyone over a cold beer and corn beef sandwich but that not going to happen.

I’m in favor of present gun law being enforces and I’m also in favor of change:

Because we no longer have a Draft I think this should be reflective in the age of purchase (20, 21), however if the individual is and has served his country then a purchase of a weapon should be permitted.

Also the purchase of a weapon should require CCW ( to carry) or Training Permit ( to own) before purchase is obtained and a back ground check is researched. No need to change our 2nd Amendment and gun control.  Just have a trained and educated weapon owners… or is that something the liberal and democrat are afraid of.

Why do I have a AR? The #1 answer is simple to protect the Constitution, secure and protect the 1St, 2nd and 4th Amendment that our founding fathers with the wisdom, intellectual and vision has provided as a base for all Americans freedom. Politician, political parties and legal courts today are not worthy to alter The Constitution. It is the right of the citizen of this great country to protect ourselves from government control. #2 to be prepared to defend myself, my family and those weaker from harm. 

What to know why it is a good idea to have volunteer Vets help support and protect schools because we have faced the oncoming bullets.  Its argue that the average age of Vietnam soldiers was 19 years old, I was 19 in country and 20 as a squad leader. Many of today Veteran have experience in room to room combat and training. Once you are a soldier and have been forge in real combat you understand your role, dedication to duty and the assignment to accomplish at all cost.  Bring back the Draft and weed out the weak and cowards.

Here we are America taking a knee jerk reaction, guidance from emotional kids, pointing fingers, finding blame and demand for local, state and federal government to react. For years we as a society have declined in the social skills, social behavior, physical ability, spiritual guidance, community unity, national pride, parental responsibility demands, law enforcement and counseling data profiling, school authority etc.  Now a quick fix to appease the media, few that are affected by the event and those who agenda this will support. The “True” fix is not spontaneous but an evaluation of the American society and the effects of what we have done to get to where we are at now… and change that agenda.

posted by gut

I don't know....looks to me like two different publications put contradictory words in his mouth.

And while those officers may have been outgunned, they also have training and outnumbered him.  They could have maybe found some cover and had him pinned down in a cross-fire even if they couldn't get close enough to shoot accurately.

No, he defended the cop a few days ago, then blamed Scott later. Hasn't blamed the Sheriff yet. Regardless, he still sucks. Trying to lead boycotts of Fedex and other companies because that's what people are telling him to do. If he wants to be paraded around TV he needs to be ready for the opinion that he's an idiot and knows next to nothing about what he speaks. Also, the campus was 45 some acres, this kid was nowhere near the Freshman building and probably never spoke to any of those kids. He is capitalizing off of his 15 minutes of fame.

posted by Belly35

 

Belly Views and Opinion .... 

Lots of comments and opinions I would love to debate with everyone over a cold beer and corn beef sandwich but that not going to happen.

I’m in favor of present gun law being enforces and I’m also in favor of change:

Because we no longer have a Draft I think this should be reflective in the age of purchase (20, 21), however if the individual is and has served his country then a purchase of a weapon should be permitted.

Raising the age to buy strips the Constitutional rights away from 18/19/20 year olds. Do they not have the right to self defense?

posted by justincredible

Raising the age to buy strips the Constitutional rights away from 18/19/20 year olds. Do they not have the right to self defense?

Uncle Sam can give you a gun and send you off to war to shoot it....but when you get home you'll have to wait to buy one?

posted by gut

Uncle Sam can give you a gun and send you off to war to shoot it....but when you get home you'll have to wait to buy one?

Belly did say that those serving could have them. I just disagree.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/02/25/florida-shooting-yet-another-government-failure-keep-us-safe-glenn-reynolds-column/371372002/

Bingo

posted by justincredible

Raising the age to buy strips the Constitutional rights away from 18/19/20 year olds. Do they not have the right to self defense?

The constitution says nothing about at what age someone can buy a gun.

By your logic, we have stripped the Constitutional rights away from 3/4/5 year olds to buy a gun........

We need to use common sense and refrain from knee-jerk, reactionary thoughts..... 

posted by wkfan

The constitution says nothing about at what age someone can buy a gun.

By your logic, we have stripped the Constitutional rights away from 3/4/5 year olds to buy a gun........

We need to use common sense and refrain from knee-jerk, reactionary thoughts..... 

Common sense says there is one age for adulthood in all contexts. If you can join the service and vote at 18, you should enjoy all rights at 18.

posted by wkfan

The constitution says nothing about at what age someone can buy a gun.

By your logic, we have stripped the Constitutional rights away from 3/4/5 year olds to buy a gun........

We need to use common sense and refrain from knee-jerk, reactionary thoughts..... 

If the govt can conscript you, you're an adult.

And I'd prefer knee jerk thoughts, to knee jerk policy. 

posted by justincredible

If the govt can conscript you, you're an adult.

Right. People’s arguments are that well they can’t have a drink. Ok, then lower the drinking age to 18 too. 

posted by justincredible

And I'd prefer knee jerk thoughts, to knee jerk policy. 

Yeah, but if we finally knock off the pointless debate, maybe we can move on to practical ideas that can do something.  It's simply a wedge issue both sides use to turn out their base....why nothing significant will ever be done (as if there's something significant that can be done).

Some states make you complete training to have a CCW....I wouldn't be against that as a requirement (sort of like a driver's license) to own a firearm period.  It's another, and more extensive, point of contact to evaluate someone's state of mind and mental health.

But there's already a healthy black market for guns - what do people think will happen if you make it harder to get a gun?

posted by queencitybuckeye

Common sense says there is one age for adulthood in all contexts. If you can join the service and vote at 18, you should enjoy all rights at 18.

Very good point. Maybe that should be a criteria for buying a gun. Must be a registered voter, with a valid driver license, and a certification of CCW prior to buying a weapon to carry and or a special training classes certification for gun owners prior to buying a weapon. 

Bring back the Draft and weed out the weak and cowards.

Would that include President Trump and his 5 draft deferments?

posted by ppaw1999

Bring back the Draft and weed out the weak and cowards.

Nice generalizations. The govt does not own you, conscription is abhorrent. 

posted by Belly35

Very good point. Maybe that should be a criteria for buying a gun. Must be a registered voter, with a valid driver license, and a certification of CCW prior to buying a weapon to carry and or a special training classes certification for gun owners prior to buying a weapon. 

The state would need to provide all training free of charge, otherwise you're potentially pricing the poor out of exercising a natural right. 

Lol, this is how you get Trump. Their definition of assault rifle is almost all semi-automatic guns. Please run on this in 2018.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-democrats-introduce-bill-prohibiting-sale-of-semi-automatic-weapons/article/2650087

posted by justincredible

Nice generalizations. The govt does not own you, conscription is abhorrent. 

Bring back the Draft and weed out the weak and cowards.

That was Belly's statement. 

Yes conscription is abhorrent but for mine and Belly's generation it was the rule of  the land. Class wise it wasn't real fair.

posted by iclfan2

Lol, this is how you get Trump. Their definition of assault rifle is almost all semi-automatic guns. Please run in this in 2018.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-democrats-introduce-bill-prohibiting-sale-of-semi-automatic-weapons/article/2650087

LOL.

posted by Belly35

Very good point. Maybe that should be a criteria for buying a gun. Must be a registered voter, with a valid driver license, and a certification of CCW prior to buying a weapon to carry and or a special training classes certification for gun owners prior to buying a weapon. 

I kind of like this idea. Maybe include having a high school diploma. 

posted by justincredible

Raising the age to buy strips the Constitutional rights away from 18/19/20 year olds. Do they not have the right to self defense?

That is why its never going to pass.  18 year olds in this country have 2nd amendment rights.

posted by iclfan2

Right. People’s arguments are that well they can’t have a drink. Ok, then lower the drinking age to 18 too. 

Drinking is not a constitutional right.  Very poor argument.  If 2nd amendment rights are stripped till 21 then all of them can be.

Increasing the age limit to purchase will do nothing. As it's been said, knee jerk reaction.

Where in the 2nd amendment does it mention age?