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posted by gut

And, ironically, I think Jim Brown does a hell of a lot more than many of these virtue-signaling athletes.  Not including Kaepernick in that, who by all accounts is a real activist.

How do you know what they do? What does Jim brown do? If they take a picture and post it you will say well they did it for publicity, if they do it behind the scenes then you accuse them of doing nothing. You are just making up shit off the top of your head because you agree with jim brown lol 

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This crap has to stop.  These local and state officials are pussies 

This goes back to the "blasting" that I hate on social media.

LA Galaxy player Aleksander Katai's wife had some very inappropriate social media posts, so what happens? Katai is released by the Galaxy. A person can lose his/her job because of their spouse? Not that it is justified at all, but Katai and wife are Serbian.

Absurd.

posted by geeblock

How do you know what they do? What does Jim brown do? If they take a picture and post it you will say well they did it for publicity, if they do it behind the scenes then you accuse them of doing nothing. You are just making up shit off the top of your head because you agree with jim brown lol 

Stop being an idiot and putting words in my mouth.  And are you being deliberately obtuse to maintain your status as a politard, or do you actually not know, much less too lazy to google, Jim Brown's history of activism?  Or is it that you, like others, view him as an Uncle Tom because he became a Republican? 

"Jim Brown would continue his activism; which included being heavily involved in the Stop the Violence movement of the late 80s and early 90s, being involved in an L.A. gang truce that was moderately successful and educating inner city children to the powerful potential that lay within them" (http://www.amer-i-can.org/about/about.html).

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/jim-brown-john-lewis-donald-trump-activist-athlete-days-are-over-muhammad-ali-summit/17zm6as4ogkyw1hjhd87fkqprr

" If Jim Brown is not on the Mount Rushmore of social, political and civil-rights activism by athletes in our time (up there with, at least, Muhammad Ali, Tommie Smith and John Carlos), he’s on the short list waiting for a vacancy. "

posted by gut

Stop being an idiot and putting words in my mouth.  And are you being deliberately obtuse to maintain your status as a politard, or do you actually not know, much less too lazy to google, Jim Brown's history of activism?  Or is it that you, like others, view him as an Uncle Tom because he became a Republican? 

Jim Brown would continue his activism; which included being heavily involved in the Stop the Violence movement of the late 80s and early 90s, being involved in an L.A. gang truce that was moderately successful and educating inner city children to the powerful potential that lay within them (http://www.amer-i-can.org/about/about.html).

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/jim-brown-john-lewis-donald-trump-activist-athlete-days-are-over-muhammad-ali-summit/17zm6as4ogkyw1hjhd87fkqprr

" If Jim Brown is not on the Mount Rushmore of social, political and civil-rights activism by athletes in our time (up there with, at least, Muhammad Ali, Tommie Smith and John Carlos), he’s on the short list waiting for a vacancy. "

 

He did a lot a long time ago that’s great. I was aware. I can’t think of anything he has done or said in  20 years off the top of my head. That’s why I said what does he do. Not what has he done. How was he received by people for his views in the civil rights movement? Kinda how you are treating the current players cause you disagree with them?  I actually didn’t know he was republican . 

posted by geeblock

Plenty of people upset who never served are  virtue signalers as you put it. You do realize that your own post of sharing your values through social media is also virtue signaling? 

First off, I passed no judgement.  I merely stated facts that refuted your perception.

Kaepernick knew damn well his protest would offend people - he's not dumb, it was deliberate to generate discussion and notoriety by being controversial.  He and others, then, should not be offended by people who disagree with him and/or his form of protest.

People have a right to counter-protest, and they are hardly all "virtue signalers".  Also, those millions of people who served have tens of millions of family members.  They have as much right to free speech as Kaepernick (and many agree with and support him).

People obviously choose to attach different meanings for themselves as to what the flag represents.  I think you'd agree it would be inappropriate, offensive and ineffective to protest how Islam treats women by desecrating the Koran.

The one thing I will say about Jim Brown, that points to a bit of hypocrisy, is that he's spouting off about country, etc yet he was one of the ones supporting Ali dodging Vietnam.

posted by gut

First off, I passed no judgement.  I merely stated facts that refuted your perception.

Kaepernick knew damn well his protest would offend people - he's not dumb, it was deliberate to generate discussion and notoriety by being controversial.  He and others, then, should not be offended by people who disagree with him and/or his form of protest.

People have a right to counter-protest, and they are hardly all "virtue signalers".  Also, those millions of people who served have tens of millions of family members.  They have as much right to free speech as Kaepernick.

People obviously choose to attach different meanings for themselves as to what the flag represents.  I think you'd agree it would be inappropriate, offensive and ineffective to protest how Islam treats women by desecrating the Koran.

You absolutely passed judgement on who is allowed to have an opinion and who is an actual activist and who does work in their community. People certainly have the right to attach whatever they want to the flag. It doesn’t Change the fact that it is an anthem protest and has nothing to do with the flag or military. But since you mention the military. First off, all military aren’t against the protest and secondly plenty of blacks fought in ww2 and Vietnam and had to come home to Jim Crow. It’s not surprising that for many people the flag doesn’t inspire warm feelings. 

posted by geeblock

You absolutely passed judgement on who is allowed to have an opinion and who is an actual activist and who does work in their community. People certainly have the right to attach whatever they want to the flag. It doesn’t Change the fact that it is an anthem protest and has nothing to do with the flag or military. But since you mention the military. First off, all military aren’t against the protest and secondly plenty of blacks fought in ww2 and Vietnam and had to come home to Jim Crow. It’s not surprising that for many people the flag doesn’t inspire warm feelings. 

I have no problem with anything you say.  I just don't understand why someone isn't allowed to believe differently than that without being crushed.  I hated it when Trump and others blasted Kapernick for his protest.  But the people who hated that are the same ones crucifying Drew Brees because he doesn't see it their way.  That's 1984 style groupthink.

posted by BR1986FB

The one thing I will say about Jim Brown, that points to a bit of hypocrisy, is that he's spouting off about country, etc yet he was one of the ones supporting Ali dodging Vietnam.

Government != Country. The government got it wrong.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I have no problem with anything you say.  I just don't understand why someone isn't allowed to believe differently than that without being crushed.  I hated it when Trump and others blasted Kapernick for his protest.  But the people who hated that are the same ones crucifying Drew Brees because he doesn't see it their way.  That's 1984 style groupthink.

I get it. I have friends who have that opinion and we just agree not to discuss it. I think the general public being outraged is overkill but I think his teammates and friends are going to be upset not over his opinion but over his tone def lack of awareness that his memory of his papaw in ww2 is more important to him than what is happening to them and their families. He works at a job that is 70% black so I mean with the amount of time those guys spend together I’m sure they were hurt. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I have no problem with anything you say.  I just don't understand why someone isn't allowed to believe differently than that without being crushed.  I hated it when Trump and others blasted Kapernick for his protest.  But the people who hated that are the same ones crucifying Drew Brees because he doesn't see it their way.  That's 1984 style groupthink.

This is how things work in this era. 2 sides to everything and each side blasts the other on social media for their opinions. Won't be changing any time soon unfortunately.

posted by geeblock

I get it. I have friends who have that opinion and we just agree not to discuss it. I think the general public being outraged is overkill but I think his teammates and friends are going to be upset not over his opinion but over his tone def lack of awareness that his memory of his papaw in ww2 is more important to him than what is happening to them and their families. He works at a job that is 70% black so I mean with the amount of time those guys spend together I’m sure they were hurt. 

I agree his timing was terrible.  He was asked a question where he could have said, "You know what, we have a lot more important topics to worry about today than that."

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I agree his timing was terrible.  He was asked a question where he could have said, "You know what, we have a lot more important topics to worry about today than that."

Meh. It would have been better but only slightly. 

posted by geeblock

I get it. I have friends who have that opinion and we just agree not to discuss it. I think the general public being outraged is overkill but I think his teammates and friends are going to be upset not over his opinion but over his tone def lack of awareness that his memory of his papaw in ww2 is more important to him than what is happening to them and their families. He works at a job that is 70% black so I mean with the amount of time those guys spend together I’m sure they were hurt. 

I agree with that. To me, the fact random Twitter people are outraged AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE OUTRAGED means nothing because right now, on both sides of the political spectrum, we're living in an era where weaponized outrage is the main form of "debate" on social media (fuck, I saw something unbelievably stupid even by Twitter standards when people were blasting actress Emma Watson for customizing her black box deal to her Instagram feed Tuesday or something like that...).

I was surprised by his statement because it came off as tone deaf to all those teammates in a "I wouldn't do it and they shouldn't, too" sort of way where why they're upset and would want to potentially kneel/protest wasn't even remotely resonating with him. Seems it would have been far better for him to have said something along the lines of how he personally isn't comfortable with kneeling due to his family and military service, but that not everyone has the same feelings that he does and in the wake of events and how he knows a lot of people, including teammates, who are upset by them, he feels it's more important right now to listen to them and do what he can to help because this isn't about him right now. Doesn't have to be something super-woke or whatnot; just that he cares about how his teammates are feeling about current events and will support them as much as he can.

posted by Heretic

I agree with that. To me, the fact random Twitter people are outraged AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE OUTRAGED means nothing because right now, on both sides of the political spectrum, we're living in an era where weaponized outrage is the main form of "debate" on social media (fuck, I saw something unbelievably stupid even by Twitter standards when people were blasting actress Emma Watson for customizing her black box deal to her Instagram feed Tuesday or something like that...).

I was surprised by his statement because it came off as tone deaf to all those teammates in a "I wouldn't do it and they shouldn't, too" sort of way where why they're upset and would want to potentially kneel/protest wasn't even remotely resonating with him. Seems it would have been far better for him to have said something along the lines of how he personally isn't comfortable with kneeling due to his family and military service, but that not everyone has the same feelings that he does and in the wake of events and how he knows a lot of people, including teammates, who are upset by them, he feels it's more important right now to listen to them and do what he can to help because this isn't about him right now. Doesn't have to be something super-woke or whatnot; just that he cares about how his teammates are feeling about current events and will support them as much as he can.

That would have came off better. I won’t kneel but I support them kneeling. I’m definitely not a fan of forcing someone into a movement they aren’t into but I probably stop short of feeling sorry for him. 

Let's look at it this way, at the rate we're going, we will all be cancelled eventually.  Everyone screws up sooner or later.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Let's look at it this way, at the rate we're going, we will all be cancelled eventually.  Everyone screws up sooner or later.  

I don’t think it’s all doom and gloom it’s not that hard really 

posted by geeblock

I don’t think it’s all doom and gloom it’s not that hard really 

Nvm I just uninvited my fiancé’s brother to the wedding 

posted by geeblock

Nvm I just uninvited my fiancé’s brother to the wedding 

 

posted by friendfromlowry

Yea. Basically her sisters banned also but I didn’t notify her on a Facebook post🤦‍♀️

posted by geeblock

Yea. Basically her sisters banned also but I didn’t notify her on a Facebook post🤦‍♀️

I am here for the story 

posted by geeblock

You absolutely passed judgement on who is allowed to have an opinion and who is an actual activist and who does work in their community.

No I didn't.  I simply said people who served and their families might have a legitimate reason to disagree with the protest on several levels.  I never said one side was wrong or not entitled to their opinion.  I DID say some people are virtue signaling - and they are, on both sides.  You're the one who picked a side.  And let me explain something to you - just because YOU disassociate the anthem from the flag doesn't mean other people have to. 

Only a fucking poser would say "what has Jim Brown done in the last 20 years?!?".  He's 84 years old, JFC if a white guy said what you said about Jim Brown..

posted by gut

No I didn't.  I simply said people who served and their families might have a legitimate reason to disagree with the protest on several levels.  I never said one side was wrong or not entitled to their opinion.  I DID say some people are virtue signaling - and they are, on both sides.  You're the one who picked a side.  And let me explain something to you - just because YOU disassociate the anthem from the flag doesn't mean other people have to. 

Only a fucking poser would say "what has Jim Brown done in the last 20 years?!?".  He's 84 years old, JFC if a white guy said what you said about Jim Brown..

I didn’t bring up Jim brown at 84 years old someone else did? His opinion was used as relevant. So either he is too old to speak or he has just chosen not too. I’m 47 years old and besides him being my dads favorite person I haven’t heard his name since high school. Just being honest. I have no problem with him except I hate the browns