posted by like_that

Did some of you all watch the interview? He was put on the spot and he has done a lot with the veteran community as well, so I understand his answer.  Also, Brees has done more for the black community than 95% of the people attacking him and virtuing on social media.

If anyone failed him, it’s his agent. His agent should have told Yahoo! Drew would not address those questions. 

Good lord, Jim Brown has come out saying he'd never kneel and desecrate the flag. It was a while ago but I haven't seen him backtrack on it recently.

posted by justincredible

Well done, boys. /s

https://twitter.com/ItsBorys/status/1268872510038175744

No, I don't know the context or what lead up to this. But I cannot think of a scenario where a round to the face of a guy in a wheelchair is necessary. I could be wrong, but it seems excessive in ANY scenario.

I absolutely HATE how people cannot have a single opinion, or they are labeled a racist.

No issues with what Brees said. I am one that would not "protest" during the national anthem or any moment that is supposed to honor the country, military, etc. That doesn't mean I'm a racist. Disagreeing with a "protest" during the anthem doesn't mean one is a racist. One could just think there is a time to honor, and it should be left at that. It's okay. If someone wants to "protest" during the anthem, so be it...I won't be.

I support the protest that is happening now, but I don't support the looting, rioting, and damage that is done to all the innocent it's been done to. I don't support how several law enforcement officers have responded to peaceful protests. It's ridiculous how certain sides have come out and said "if you are silent, you are part of the problem." Just because I didn't change my Facebook or Twitter to #blackouttuesday doesn't mean I do not support the current protest and it doesn't mean I'm a racist.

The "blasters" who are out there trying to get everyone continues. I think it was posted on here about the cyclist who "assaulted" kids in Maryland. People are out trying to "out" him. Turns out several have put up wrong identification. Idiots. Ahhhh. I'm done ranting. Sorry.

posted by BR1986FB

Good lord, Jim Brown has come out saying he'd never kneel and desecrate the flag. It was a while ago but I haven't seen him backtrack on it recently.

Ok, but kneeling doesn't desecrate the flag. 

In other news, Buffalo PD sent an elderly man to the hospital yesterday, lied and said he tripped, and then backtracked once they realized how bad it looked on video. 

Cops keep doing this shit knowing it's being recorded. What do they do when no one is there to film? What else do they lie about? Something to ponder. 

posted by Fab4Runner

Ok, but kneeling doesn't desecrate the flag. 

In other news, Buffalo PD sent an elderly man to the hospital yesterday, lied and said he tripped, and then backtracked once they realized how bad it looked on video. 

Cops keep doing this shit knowing it's being recorded. What do they do when no one is there to film? What else do they lie about? Something to ponder. 

I saw two cops were placed on unpaid leave over the incident. The blood pooling from the old guys ear was pretty gruesome, I hope he's okay. It did not look good for him.

The comments I saw justifying it were pretty disheartening. I agree, the old guy probably shouldn't approached them like he did. But my god, he's an elderly man. Is there no reason they couldn't have detained and cuffed him without giving him a brain hemorrhage?

posted by justincredible

Well done, boys. /s

https://twitter.com/ItsBorys/status/1268872510038175744

Is this being reported in other places?  

posted by justincredible

I saw two cops were placed on unpaid leave over the incident. The blood pooling from the old guys ear was pretty gruesome, I hope he's okay. It did not look good for him.

The comments I saw justifying it were pretty disheartening. I agree, the old guy probably shouldn't approached them like he did. But my god, he's an elderly man. Is there no reason they couldn't have detained and cuffed him without giving him a brain hemorrhage?

I read he's in stable condition. Laceration and probable concussion. 

posted by justincredible

I saw two cops were placed on unpaid leave over the incident. The blood pooling from the old guys ear was pretty gruesome, I hope he's okay. It did not look good for him.

The comments I saw justifying it were pretty disheartening. I agree, the old guy probably shouldn't approached them like he did. But my god, he's an elderly man. Is there no reason they couldn't have detained and cuffed him without giving him a brain hemorrhage?

Same but just like the thousands of other people......you want to play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.  There have been 6 cops killed in the last week.  Probably hundreds injured.  If I wanted to "protest", coming up on cops anywhere would not be something I would do.

posted by Spock

Is this being reported in other places?  

See my other post.

posted by Spock

Same but just like the thousands of other people......you want to play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.  There have been 6 cops killed in the last week.  Probably hundreds injured.  If I wanted to "protest", coming up on cops anywhere would not be something I would do.

I'm sure the Buffalo PD are especially on edge due to the incident with several being hit by a car the other night. That said, knowing the entire world is watching, the optics on this are not good. And the backtracking by the PD make it look even worse.

posted by BR1986FB

Good lord, Jim Brown has come out saying he'd never kneel and desecrate the flag. It was a while ago but I haven't seen him backtrack on it recently.

Here are Jim Brown's thoughts in 2018 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2018/10/11/jim-brown-protests-kneeling-national-anthem

posted by justincredible

I'm sure the Buffalo PD are especially on edge due to the incident with several being hit by a car the other night. That said, knowing the entire world is watching, the optics on this are not good. And the backtracking by the PD make it look even worse.

While I agree, these cops are put in a situation by their local governments that is almost impossible to deal with.

posted by justincredible

I'm sure the Buffalo PD are especially on edge due to the incident with several being hit by a car the other night. That said, knowing the entire world is watching, the optics on this are not good. And the backtracking by the PD make it look even worse.

I'm sure all cops are on edge right now, wondering how big of a bullseye they have on their back because of this guy in Minnesota (and previous instances). Not condoning what the bad apples have done because some of it is appalling. Would not want to be in a "good" cops shoes, especially right now.

posted by Spock

Same but just like the thousands of other people......you want to play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.  There have been 6 cops killed in the last week.  Probably hundreds injured.  If I wanted to "protest", coming up on cops anywhere would not be something I would do.

Unfortunately, I agree with this to an extent. Did they need to rough up an old man? No, probably not. And trying to lie about it made it even worse. But you just don't know. All the time cops respond to the most routine shit and end up hurt/shot/killed. I'm sure the overwhelming majority of cops want to handle things safely and peacefully, but they also don't want to be too lax and end up stabbed or shot by some lunatic. 

posted by friendfromlowry

Unfortunately, I agree with this to an extent. Did they need to rough up an old man? No, probably not. And trying to lie about it made it even worse. But you just don't know. All the time cops respond to the most routine shit and end up hurt/shot/killed. I'm sure the overwhelming majority of cops want to handle things safely and peacefully, but they also don't want to be too lax and end up stabbed or shot by some lunatic. 

I know it's cliche but they are more times than not in a "no win" situation.

A buddy of mine was arrested in Cincinnati. He did essentially the same thing that old guy in Buffalo did, he approached a group of police officers when it was seemingly obvious that is not what should be happening at the time.

In no way should the Buffalo officers be justified in doing what they did, but how in the world does someone approach officers in that situation? The reverse angle of it from across the street makes it even more obvious the police were in a formation for some action. It makes zero sense to approach an officer there. Just like my buddy in Cincinnati (who was a media member), they were shutting it down for the curfew, why walk across the street INTO a group of 6+ officers? Yes, you were going to meet up with the rest of your media crew, so walk around the officers OR wait until they've passed then cross over to meet up. Media is exempt from the curfew, but no one knows your media because you have something dangling off your neck, a facemask on, and a small little logo on your polo. There's so much going on that no one will notice or care what you are wearing and cannot identify who you are.

posted by friendfromlowry

Unfortunately, I agree with this to an extent. Did they need to rough up an old man? No, probably not. And trying to lie about it made it even worse. But you just don't know. All the time cops respond to the most routine shit and end up hurt/shot/killed. I'm sure the overwhelming majority of cops want to handle things safely and peacefully, but they also don't want to be too lax and end up stabbed or shot by some lunatic. 

2 things:

They didnt "rough him up"....pushed (and it wasnt even a good push)

Also, you are right, the NY cop stabbed in the neck...the guy just casually walked up to him like he wasnt going to do anything.

posted by Spock

2 things:

They didnt "rough him up"....pushed (and it wasnt even a good push)

Also, you are right, the NY cop stabbed in the neck...the guy just casually walked up to him like he wasnt going to do anything.

What if I posted a Breitbart article stating he was roughed up? Would your head explode?

posted by BR1986FB

Good lord, Jim Brown has come out saying he'd never kneel and desecrate the flag. It was a while ago but I haven't seen him backtrack on it recently.

Oh fuck that and everyone who thinks it’s disrespectful to the flag. I watched that asshole give an interview through the entire anthem once. I also watched him wheel his ass to the TV trucks during it so he didn’t have to remove his hat and could keep talking/eating through it. 

posted by BR1986FB

I know it's cliche but they are more times than not in a "no win" situation.

I'm sure a lot of all this stems from bad cops having bad days, especially bad cops who get off on roughing people up.  We all know people that liked to fight in their 20's and 30's (some never grow out of it).  You just KNOW a few of these cops in the riots are all hopped up to crack some skulls.  I mean, does anyone think the guy that took a tear gas cannister to the face was an accident?!?

It's a thankless job.  The one cop in MN who has been charged was on the job for FOUR days, and I think that's the one who said to let him up.  Talk about being in an impossible situation.  Hopefully the DA gives him a light plea simply for testifying to what happened.

posted by Al Bundy

Here are Jim Brown's thoughts in 2018 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2018/10/11/jim-brown-protests-kneeling-national-anthem

And, ironically, I think Jim Brown does a hell of a lot more than many of these virtue-signaling athletes.  Not including Kaepernick in that, who by all accounts is a real activist.

posted by Fab4Runner

Cops keep doing this shit knowing it's being recorded. What do they do when no one is there to film? What else do they lie about? Something to ponder. 

That's a good question.  But here's something to consider - doctors make mistakes that kill people every day, and they almost never go to jail (only if criminal gross negligence can be proven).  I would guess most good cops make a few errors in judgement, maybe even a few cases of unnecessary use of force. 

I think we can probably differentiate between the MN cop who clearly was grossly negligent in doing his job, vs. that BUF cop who maybe shouldn't have pushed that guy, or shouldn't have pushed him that hard, but wasn't necessarily out of line.

The standard of gross negligence never enters into the conversation about cops.  The rookie charged in MN I'm not sure even deserves a mark on his file, but I say that without all the officer accounts and body cam footage.

posted by gut

And, ironically, I think Jim Brown does a hell of a lot more than many of these virtue-signaling athletes.  Not including Kaepernick in that, who by all accounts is a real activist.

Ironically the people virtue signaling about the flag even tho its an Anthem protest don’t so shit for vets 🤷‍♂️

posted by geeblock

Ironically the people virtue signaling about the flag even tho its an Anthem protest don’t so shit for vets 🤷‍♂️

Aside from the millions of people who, you know, actually served.

posted by gut

Aside from the millions of people who, you know, actually served.

Plenty of people upset who never served are  virtue signalers as you put it. You do realize that your own post of sharing your values through social media is also virtue signaling?