posted by iclfan2

Lol, San Francisco is giving some homeless people weed, alcohol, and nicotine to get them to stay in a hotel and not spread Covid. 
https://nypost.com/2020/05/06/san-francisco-gives-drugs-alcohol-to-homeless-quarantining-in-hotels/

California’s ruling elites are literally insane.

And then they double down:  LA city council votes to name hotels that refuse to house homeless, may  ‘commandeer’ them. 

Talk about inciting civil insurrection.

Weed, nicotine...the humanity!!!

The Texas Supreme Court on Thursday ordered the release of salon owner Shelley Luther, who was jailed for opening in violation of the state's rules, as Gov. Greg Abbott issued an executive order retroactively eliminating jail time as a consequence for violating the state's coronavirus restrictions.

posted by SportsAndLady

Weed, nicotine...the humanity!!!

If they want to buy it, let them; why should taxpayers pay for it?

0-2 today. 

Still time for redemption.

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

If they want to buy it, let them; why should taxpayers pay for it?

 

0-2 today. 

 

Still time for redemption.

 

Lol, you're actually still saying that arguing against your stupid "well, you see, sexual assault isn't THAT BAD if you're in the private sector and paying for your own lawyer!" post is a loss? When anyone with actual morality, dignity or humanity would have realized that was simply a very stupid thing to say and be trying to distance themselves from it at light speed?

posted by Heretic

Lol, you're actually still saying that arguing against your stupid "well, you see, sexual assault isn't THAT BAD if you're in the private sector and paying for your own lawyer!" post is a loss? When anyone with actual morality, dignity or humanity would have realized that was simply a very stupid thing to say and be trying to distance themselves from it at light speed?

No; I’m saying San Fran taxpayers should not pay for drugs and cigs for homeless people, or anyone.

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

No; I’m saying San Fran taxpayers should not pay for drugs and cigs for homeless people, or anyone.

That would make it "0-1" and you said 0-2 as how you perceive his record against you in arguments today.

He swung and missed in the politics forum also.

posted by SportsAndLady

Weed, nicotine...the humanity!!!

I assume, being California, by "nicotine" they don't mean actual tobacco but probably the gum or patches, maybe vapes if they're lucky.

posted by QuakerOats

 Greg Abbott issued an executive order retroactively eliminating jail time as a consequence for violating the state's coronavirus restrictions.

This is a big can of worms he just opened. You just set a precedent that there's no jail for violating an executive order (limiting it to coronavirus restrictions may or may not hold).  I guess you could bump up the fines to effectively bankrupt someone for a violation, but I think he's really undermined any future action he may have to take on Covid-19.

But it also doesn't make any sense to send these people to jail.  I don't know, seems like a lot to give up when she only had 1 week in jail.  A pardon may have been the smarter choice.

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

No; I’m saying San Fran taxpayers should not pay for drugs and cigs for homeless people, or anyone.

How much SF taxes do you pay? Just curious how badly this is affecting you. 

TX gov saying "we have 3 areas of outbreaks: jails, nursing homes and meat packing centers", otherwise we'd have virtually no cases.

Ummmm, which one of those doesn't fit?  You have an outbreak in a business, one of the few that is actually running.  These meat packing centers are probably a leading indicator of what happens when we go back to work if very careful measures aren't implemented.

posted by QuakerOats

He swung and missed in the politics forum also.

 

No, that seems to be a case where you and CC/Spock took one opinion and everyone else who has contributed on it has basically smacked you down. Only swing and miss there came from you guys. In other words, par for the course.

posted by gut

TX gov saying "we have 3 areas of outbreaks: jails, nursing homes and meat packing centers", otherwise we'd have virtually no cases.

Ummmm, which one of those doesn't fit?  You have an outbreak in a business, one of the few that is actually running.  These meat packing centers are probably a leading indicator of what happens when we go back to work if very careful measures aren't implemented.

Jails: Close proximity; makes sense
Nursing homes: Probably a higher than average rate of immunocompromised residents; makes sense
Meat packing centers: Shit, what the fuck?

posted by SportsAndLady

How much SF taxes do you pay? Just curious how badly this is affecting you. 

Agreed.  People constantly bitch about SF / Cali "values" - well, don't live there then.  California voters obviously are okay with things like this, so what do you care?  

posted by O-Trap

Meat packing centers: Shit, what the fuck?

The only thing more alarming than that is Cuomo disclosing yesterday that 66% of hospitalizations were people sheltering in place.  Surprised this hasn't gotten more attention.

H...O...L...Y  SHIT....Then wtf are we doing all this for?!?  Now, I don't know how many people are still working as essential in NY, but if you assume 25% (I'd guess that's in the ballpark) then if my math is right sheltering in place means only a 13.6% reduced risk of contagion.  If only 10% are working, then it's still only a 36.3% reduced risk, which could be effective over the short-term but inconsequential over many months.

posted by gut

TX gov saying "we have 3 areas of outbreaks: jails, nursing homes and meat packing centers", otherwise we'd have virtually no cases.

Ummmm, which one of those doesn't fit?  You have an outbreak in a business, one of the few that is actually running.  These meat packing centers are probably a leading indicator of what happens when we go back to work if very careful measures aren't implemented.

THey have outbreaks there because that is where the targeted testing is taking place,  hardly anyone in those meat packing places are actually sick.  Same with the prisons, thousands of people tested positive, no deaths

posted by SportsAndLady

How much SF taxes do you pay? Just curious how badly this is affecting you. 

It’s not about me.

posted by gut

The only thing more alarming than that is Cuomo disclosing yesterday that 66% of hospitalizations were people sheltering in place.  Surprised this hasn't gotten more attention.

H...O...L...Y  SHIT....Then wtf are we doing all this for?!?  Now, I don't know how many people are still working as essential in NY, but if you assume 25% (I'd guess that's in the ballpark) then if my math is right sheltering in place means only a 13.6% reduced risk of contagion.  If only 10% are working, then it's still only a 36.3% reduced risk, which could be effective over the short-term but inconsequential over many months.

I have to wonder how they got the metric that Cuomo cited.  How do they know who is and isn't sheltering in place, and to what degree they're doing so?

I mean, the obvious answer is that they might just ask them, but to quote the immortal philosopher House:

posted by Spock

THey have outbreaks there because that is where the targeted testing is taking place

LOL, are you saying testing is a vector of transmission?

posted by O-Trap

Jails: Close proximity; makes sense
Nursing homes: Probably a higher than average rate of immunocompromised residents; makes sense
Meat packing centers: Shit, what the fuck?

A fair number of these plants employ large numbers of Central Americans who often live and congregate together in large numbers.

posted by gut

LOL, are you saying testing is a vector of transmission?

No dumbass......its not far fetched that where you look, you find.  Pay attention here and connect the dots.  We will find out that this thing is all over the place and the more you test, the more you find.  

posted by Spock

No dumbass......its not far fetched that where you look, you find.  Pay attention here and connect the dots.  We will find out that this thing is all over the place and the more you test, the more you find.  

I really hope you're not trying to act like stating the obvious (more testing = more positive results) is something that involves actual dot-connecting.

posted by Spock

No dumbass......its not far fetched that where you look, you find.  Pay attention here and connect the dots.  We will find out that this thing is all over the place and the more you test, the more you find.  

I connected the dots on the back of a cereal box.  Told me 4G was going to melt my brain and give me AIDS.  I've lined my walls with tinfoil.  Seems to help.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/code-review-of-fergusons-model/