posted by gut

Ummm, 1.3M dead globally about 8-9 months in.  So, yeah, if it's allowed to mutate there's a good chance "millions dead" annually is accurate.  That's why you don't fuck around when you have vaccines literally around the corner that can wipe it out.

You guys have to let it get go and stop making up your own facts to justify indefensible positions.

Did you just accuse people of making up their own facts after posting that we KNOW IT WILL KILL MILLIONS EVERY YEAR?

Come on man, you are really going down the rabbit hole.

posted by Fab4Runner

Lol ok! I went to one outdoor march where literally everyone was wearing a mask and distanced, and then quarantined afterward. (That's sort of important! Zero people got sick and zero people died because of me.) No bars, no restaurants, no baby showers, no baptisms, no birthday parties, no weddings, haven't been to any store but a grocery...but yeah I've been a hypocrite this "entire thread" because of one outdoor activity that was just as risky as hiking at a crowded metropark. Sure! 

Am I perfect? No. Would I go to a wedding and then not quarantine? Would I go to work or out in public while symptomatic? Do I cry about masks? No.

I'm extremely close with my family and friends. I miss them. I haven't hugged anyone but my husband since March. I'm also willing to Zoom or text or call until it's safe to be together again. 

And jmog, you're the most pretentious dick on this site, so GFY. 

posted by gut

That's some serious strawman bullshit.  No one has said, or is saying, you can't see friends or family.  That has really never been the case throughout this.  The most serious restrictions have said to limit gatherings to 6 or 10 people, and take some responsible precautions.  No one is being prevented from seeing friends or family, and never has.  The people locked down in their room on cruise ships - THEY had something to complain about.

You act like if everything isn't completely open it's some massive hardship.  I think you have it completely backwards - it's the people who won't be inconvenienced who are spreading this, and then bitching when more heavy-handed tactics are used to limit their ability to act like selfish assholes.

Hate to break it to you, but war has casualties.  We may have a real chance to wipe this out.  The sad reality is we are trying to chart a path that results in the fewest deaths.  People are well aware of the mental health issues and other long-term problems.  But if you don't wipe this thing out, if you give it a chance to mutate then we KNOW millions of people will die globally EVERY YEAR.

It's based off what you said.  And yes, people are discouraging people to see their friends and family, especially during Thanksgiving.  Did you just wake up a week ago to find out about COVID? Also, google "Thanksgiving COVID."  You will be flooded with the same "guise it's just a minor inconvenience" attitude you and some others are bringing here.  You don't get to determine what is a big deal to people or not.  You also don't get to determine that these lockdowns aren't a hardship for people, just because it's only a "minor inconvenience" to you.  I swear you think people are only complaining, because they can't go to a bar. That's just simply not reality. 

posted by like_that

   You don't get to determine what is a big deal to people or not.  You also don't get to determine that these lockdowns aren't a hardship for people, just because it's only a "minor inconvenience" to you.  I swear you think people are only complaining, because they can't go to a bar. That's just simply not reality. 

Good points. I had to leave the Ohio subreddit because I was so sick of people saying stuff like  “we had to open things back up prematurely because we just couldn’t go without haircuts and Applebee’s!” It’s a very lazy and close-minded way of thinking.

posted by jmog

Did you just accuse people of making up their own facts after posting that we KNOW IT WILL KILL MILLIONS EVERY YEAR?

Come on man, you are really going down the rabbit hole.

posted by like_that

It's based off what you said.  And yes, people are discouraging people to see their friends and family, especially during Thanksgiving.  Did you just wake up a week ago to find out about COVID? Also, google "Thanksgiving COVID."  You will be flooded with the same "guise it's just a minor inconvenience" attitude you and some others are bringing here.  You don't get to determine what is a big deal to people or not.  You also don't get to determine that these lockdowns aren't a hardship for people, just because it's only a "minor inconvenience" to you.  I swear you think people are only complaining, because they can't go to a bar. That's just simply not reality.

Ummm, ok.  You got your undies in a bunch over people not being able to see families and friends.  You were told that's Alex Jones level bullshit.  And you respond with this crap. Stop promoting the garbage that not being able to go to bars is a hardship.

Just admit you were wrong and move on.  Don't be JMOG doing an impression of QO on drugs.

posted by gut

Ummm, ok.  You got your undies in a bunch over people not being able to see families and friends.  You were told that's Alex Jones level bullshit.  And you respond with this crap.

Just admit you were wrong and move on.  Don't be JMOG doing an impression of QO on drugs.

lol ok gut, we get it.  You are the "smartest" guy on this site, you make good money working from home, and you're content staying at home with your cable and Netflix.    I didn't expect you to go full S&L on us, but here you are not being able to handle the fact people here disagree with your take (for good reasons).   You were given legitimate counter arguments from me, jmog, and heretic and your first instinct is to claim "Alex Jones."  Talk about being out of touch with reality and a butt hurt bitch, because not everyone is buying what you're selling.   You definitely fall into the privileged and boring life categories, so of course you're ok with a lockdown. 

Cue gut's next predictable post letting us know how smart he is sprinkled in with half ass insults.  

posted by friendfromlowry

Good points. I had to leave the Ohio subreddit because I was so sick of people saying stuff like  “we had to open things back up prematurely because we just couldn’t go without haircuts and Applebee’s!” It’s a very lazy and close-minded way of thinking.

It never fails.  Most people who bring up pro lockdown arguments, use these type of examples. 

A lot of people accept the fact there is a lot of grey area when it comes to this shit (i.e. overburdened hospitals, economy, mental well being, physical well being, anecdotal stories about selfish people, etc.), so coming in with weak ass arguments like that won't be received well.  When someone comes in with those type of arguments he/she is downplaying the severity of a lockdown, just as much as he/she thinks others are downplaying the severity of COVID.

The sanctimony in this thread would be hilarious if it weren't for the fact the kindergarteners can't see each other smile or hug their friends, I know, minor inconvenience

posted by gut
LMAO....you've been such an ignorant hack in this thread I'm starting to question your educational claims.

Says the guy that says we KNOW it will kill millions next year and every year if we don’t find a vaccine.

Pay attention to the death rates and how low it has gone as hospitals have learned what treatments work. Even if we never have a vaccine and this becomes just like the seasonal flu every year, statistics say we won’t see millions of deaths each year.  

posted by gut

Ummm, ok.  You got your undies in a bunch over people not being able to see families and friends.  You were told that's Alex Jones level bullshit.  And you respond with this crap. Stop promoting the garbage that not being able to go to bars is a hardship.

Just admit you were wrong and move on.  Don't be JMOG doing an impression of QO on drugs.

Gut has now gone full Stupid on this thread. Never go full stupid.

My hometown school district just went full virtual until beginning of December. They said there have been increasing numbers. Last I knew, there were 18 active cases and they had their first death during the whole pandemic within the last 1-2 weeks.

posted by OSH

My hometown school district just went full virtual until beginning of December. They said there have been increasing numbers. Last I knew, there were 18 active cases and they had their first death during the whole pandemic within the last 1-2 weeks.

Our local school is still having in school and my 17 year old goes there.

My 14 year old goes to a private school specifically for his autism and they have gone full virtual until January.

posted by Verbal Kint

The sanctimony in this thread would be hilarious if it weren't for the fact the kindergarteners can't see each other smile or hug their friends, I know, minor inconvenience

I will say though I’m outside with class every decent day and kindergarten kids are definitely smiling and hugging each other...and it’s refreshing. Zero cases.

posted by justincredible

Can confirm there are people in Newark that don’t wear masks. Still don’t know a single person from Newark that has tested positive.

NERK

posted by jmog

Says the guy that says we KNOW it will kill millions next year and every year if we don’t find a vaccine.

posted by jmog

Gut has now gone full Stupid on this thread. Never go full stupid.

LOL.....I never pegged you as an intellectual idiot.

posted by gut
It's killed 1.3M globally in 8 months....So how am I wrong if there's no vaccine?  Try to use that PhD and not be an Alex Jones tool when you answer.

Look at the trend in death rate as we have learned how to treat it. 

I have said this multiple times now if you would actually read rather than acting like you are smarter than everyone else and saying anyone who doesn’t agree with you is following Alex Jones.

The death rate as a percent of cases was around 8% in the first wave and around 1% now in the 3rd wave.  

Even the percentage of deaths vs hospitalizations, which is a better metric than deaths per cases since testing rate has gone up, has been cut in half from May to now.

The trend of treatment, as it does with every disease in the history of the world, will only get better over time so that death rate will continue to fall even if a vaccine doesn’t happen.

So, you can actually read what I type, do some of your own research to back up what I am saying, or you can keep saying asinine things like I am following Alex Jones. Become informed on the subject or stay ignorant, your choice.

To believe that the death/year will stay the same indefinitely shows your ignorance about medical treatment histories of every disease in the history of mankind. Don’t be stupid.

posted by gut

LOL.....I never pegged you as an intellectual idiot.

Oh the irony in this post is palpable.

posted by gut

Ummm, ok.  You got your undies in a bunch over people not being able to see families and friends.  You were told that's Alex Jones level bullshit.  And you respond with this crap. Stop promoting the garbage that not being able to go to bars is a hardship.

Just admit you were wrong and move on.  Don't be JMOG doing an impression of QO on drugs.

I get it all now, gut decided to leave the site and secretly gave his password to SnL.

Only thing that makes sense with his nonsense the last few days. 

Some more good news https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-distributi/factbox-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-stability-eases-distribution-challenges-idUSKBN27W1EE?il=0. 

posted by like_that

Some more good news https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-distributi/factbox-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-stability-eases-distribution-challenges-idUSKBN27W1EE?il=0. 

i dunno why your link is greyed out on my phone. deep state i guess.

very good news though.

posted by ernest_t_bass

NERK

That's OUR word.

posted by kizer permanente

i dunno why your link is greyed out on my phone. deep state i guess.

very good news though.

His link was blacked out in my laptop browser as well (Chrome).

Definitely good news.

Looks fine to me.