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posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieI agree with you that running Hillary played a part in getting Trump where he is. However, the left is not "responsible" for electing Trump. The people that voted for him are responsible. Some may have voted for him because they saw him as the lesser of two evils. That's fair. But the vast majority voted for him for other reasons.
Running Palin and McCain got us Obama.
There have been a long line of republican presidents and presidential candidates and voting for none of those labeled you a racist. It is not coincidence or random that Trump voters find themselves in this position. stop playing the victim.
posted by geeblockThere have been a long line of republican presidents and presidential candidates and voting for none of those labeled you a racist. It is not coincidence or random that Trump voters find themselves in this position. stop playing the victim.
In the event that this was in response to my last post, I didn't vote for the guy. I think he's a petulant man-boy with many terrible policies and without the temperament for being president.
But culture has changed significantly even since the 2012 election. To suggest that we would see the same thing in years past if the cause for it now were partisan is to assume a cultural vacuum, which you and I both know doesn't exist.
posted by O-TrapIn the event that this was in response to my last post, I didn't vote for the guy. I think he's a petulant man-boy with many terrible policies and without the temperament for being president.
But culture has changed significantly even since the 2012 election. To suggest that we would see the same thing in years past if the cause for it now were partisan is to assume a cultural vacuum, which you and I both know doesn't exist.
no it was for my bff centerbfsfan
posted by SpockRunning Palin and McCain got us Obama.
My opinion is that this was certainly a factor in Obama's election. But I don't think it was the entire cause just like I don't think Hillary was the cause of Trump. Hillary was a factor for sure, but there were/are other factors. I'm on record as not being a fan of Trump. However I do not underestimate his genius for connecting with people in a way altogether different from any other president we've had. He knows his base of supporters very well. He has a great talent for saying the exact right thing at the exact right time to get the most impact. Hillary was a lousy candidate, true. But I think she would have beaten a lot of Republicans had they been the candidate: McCain, Romney, Jeb Bush, Cruz (maybe) to name a few.
posted by geeblockThere have been a long line of republican presidents and presidential candidates and voting for none of those labeled you a racist. It is not coincidence or random that Trump voters find themselves in this position. stop playing the victim.
I'm not a victim of anything. What do you think I'm trying to be a victim of?
I guess I'm a victim because Gary Johnson didn't win? MARIJUANA ISN'T SOLD IN KROGER (spice aisle) I'M A VICTIM
lol
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieBut I think she would have beaten a lot of Republicans had they been the candidate: McCain, Romney, Jeb Bush, Cruz (maybe) to name a few.
I agree with this, looking back. President Obama was a change President. Trump was too, in his own way.
Still glad she didn't win. Also not glad with what we got. I'm not sure what kind of President would make me "happy", though. After so many election cycles you kinda just look for who you might be a little satisfied with.
As an aside, please God don't give us anymore family President's. No more Roosevelt's, no more Kennedy's, no more Bush's, no more Clinton's. We're not supposed to pass the ring down among families. We could have a monarchy for all of that.
The radical 1.20.21 Project needs to be exposed. These liberal profs attempting to subvert the will of The People should be fired, although obviously that will never happen as the universities have become the largest collective of liberal pussies known.
Well, the NYTimes has noticed the Wojak NPC memes floating around.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/us/politics/npc-twitter-ban.html
Why is it considered ok to call people bots but not NPCs?
posted by CenterBHSFanWell, the NYTimes has noticed the Wojak NPC memes floating around.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/us/politics/npc-twitter-ban.html
Why is it considered ok to call people bots but not NPCs?
Doesn't seem fair, does it?
- Former Paulbot
posted by QuakerOats
The radical 1.20.21 Project needs to be exposed. These liberal profs attempting to subvert the will of The People should be fired, although obviously that will never happen as the universities have become the largest collective of liberal pussies known.
You sure have a knack for finding these obscure right wing news sites. Your constant use of "The People" reminds me a lot of "Ein Volk".
posted by CenterBHSFanWell, the NYTimes has noticed the Wojak NPC memes floating around.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/us/politics/npc-twitter-ban.html
Why is it considered ok to call people bots but not NPCs?
It's like these people have no idea how the internet works.
posted by O-TrapBut culture has changed significantly even since the 2012 election. To suggest that we would see the same thing in years past if the cause for it now were partisan is to assume a cultural vacuum, which you and I both know doesn't exist.
It changed long before 2012....during the campaigning for the second election of Bush 43 in 2004 is when the exceedingly negative, mean spirited partisan nastiness began. We have just denigrated from them to where we are today.....
posted by wkfanIt changed long before 2012....during the campaigning for the second election of Bush 43 in 2004 is when the exceedingly negative, mean spirited partisan nastiness began. We have just denigrated from them to where we are today.....
Well, culture's in a perpetual state of change, but my point was that what we're seeing today can indeed be partisan, because even if you were to only compare it to the next-closest election, you'd find cultural changes that were notable enough to establish that what we're seeing today can be party-based without it needing to have manifest itself the same way before.
posted by O-TrapWell, culture's in a perpetual state of change, but my point was that what we're seeing today can indeed be partisan, because even if you were to only compare it to the next-closest election, you'd find cultural changes that were notable enough to establish that what we're seeing today can be party-based without it needing to have manifest itself the same way before.
I just re-read this twice. It says what I meant to say, but it's a weird sentence. Clearly, I haven't had enough coffee today.
posted by O-TrapWell, culture's in a perpetual state of change, but my point was that what we're seeing today can indeed be partisan, because even if you were to only compare it to the next-closest election, you'd find cultural changes that were notable enough to establish that what we're seeing today can be party-based without it needing to have manifest itself the same way before.
The narratives trump pushes have contributed to the racist label without question even though I agree with what you are saying. I feel like since he isnt getting the black vote anyway his path to victory is by rallying the white vote which make up the majority of people in this country and includes many racist people or borderline racist people that may not join the kkk or use the n word (and also have black friends and family members lol.) Its definitely intentional and a strategy that will likely work again in 2020.
posted by geeblockThe narratives trump pushes have contributed to the racist label without question even though I agree with what you are saying. I feel like since he isnt getting the black vote anyway his path to victory is by rallying the white vote which make up the majority of people in this country and includes many racist people or borderline racist people that may not join the kkk or use the n word (and also have black friends and family members lol.) Its definitely intentional and a strategy that will likely work again in 2020.
I don't know. I think he got more of the black and hispanic vote than the polls were calling for. Now... whether that was from Clinton Fatigue Syndrome in general, the emails in particular or if it was just another change vote is extremely hard to say or measure. In fact, I don't think it can be measured. Sure, there were most certainly racist votes, there always is. I think we can all agree to that! But I don't think it moved the needle enough to make any difference, in the election between two old white people lol
posted by geeblockThe narratives trump pushes have contributed to the racist label without question even though I agree with what you are saying. I feel like since he isnt getting the black vote anyway his path to victory is by rallying the white vote which make up the majority of people in this country and includes many racist people or borderline racist people that may not join the kkk or use the n word (and also have black friends and family members lol.) Its definitely intentional and a strategy that will likely work again in 2020.
I don't think rallying the white vote is as effective as just rallying the party vote. I'm betting the majority of people, even among those "borderline racist people" (I think they're probably flat-out racist), are probably more passionate about their political party than they are about their skin color.
But even if he found a way to really rally the white supremacist vote, there's no degree to which he'd be as effective as having a black opponent. That goes to the essence of the racist beliefs themselves.
posted by geeblockThe narratives trump pushes have contributed to the racist label without question even though I agree with what you are saying. I feel like since he isnt getting the black vote anyway his path to victory is by rallying the white vote which make up the majority of people in this country and includes many racist people or borderline racist people that may not join the kkk or use the n word (and also have black friends and family members lol.) Its definitely intentional and a strategy that will likely work again in 2020.
He is now garnering 36% support from the black community; triple what any other republican has ever received. Another reason why liberal hysteria is skyrocketing.
posted by QuakerOats
He is now garnering 36% support from the black community; triple what any other republican has ever received. Another reason why liberal hysteria is skyrocketing.
He absolutely does not have 36% of the black community vote
posted by geeblockHe absolutely does not have 36% of the black community vote
Well, it was one poll, granted it was Rassmussen, which typically leans very R.
Also, that poll results was very outside the traditional poll numbers
Well, it seems he does; similarly he had large support among latinos as well. Frankly, given the historic low unemployment among blacks and latinos he should have over 60% at least. Anyone trying to lead the way off the liberal government plantation of dependency should have 100%.
posted by QuakerOats
Well, it seems he does; similarly he had large support among latinos as well. Frankly, given the historic low unemployment among blacks and latinos he should have over 60% at least. Anyone trying to lead the way off the liberal government plantation of dependency should have 100%.
U think Latinos are voting trump? Man you have to be delusional.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Well, it was one poll, granted it was Rassmussen, which typically leans very R.
Also, that poll results was very outside the traditional poll numbers
Yea I saw that poll I just don’t see how it could be true. And it was the only poll that said that. It doesn’t pass the smell test for me. But I also didn’t believe polls that said trump could win either. Cutting welfare isn’t leading anyone off of a plantation. I don’t see a direct link between any policy he has put in place that is responsible for black unemployment rates. I don’t know how anyone can vote for someone who wants to cut your social security and Medicare while letting the rich cash out. I’m In STRS so I’m not sure how it will affect me but it just doesn’t make sense to me. I feel like it’s like watching helmuth play poker and tell the guy “ I’ll take this one, you take the next one” trickle down Economics rarely benefits the middle class in my opinion but I guess time will tell.