posted by SpockFunny how Dems were all in on free college for everyone and today they are saying that college should be for a select few
Huh?
posted by gutMorning Joe basically said exactly that recently. Said she's a backbench player and getting far too much attention.
If anyone wasn't sure of that already, her attempt to take down the CEO of Wells Fargo should put the exclamation point on it. She looks like a flustered simpleton, leaning almost exclusively on a series of non sequitur questions.
Whether you do or don't like her policies, I think you have to agree that she's not exactly the best spokesperson for them.
posted by geeblockHuh?
My guess is that this is some kind of loose allusion to the people busted for the bribery stuff.
If not, I don't feel bad. Even that was a stretch of a connection.
posted by O-TrapIf anyone wasn't sure of that already, her attempt to take down the CEO of Wells Fargo should put the exclamation point on it. She looks like a flustered simpleton, leaning almost exclusively on a series of non sequitur questions.
Whether you do or don't like her policies, I think you have to agree that she's not exactly the best spokesperson for them.
Fox News could play that exchange on repeat and have better ratings than MSNBC. That exchange between AOC and the Wells Fargo CEO was just plain stupidity and comedy gold at the same time.
I truly suggest ANYONE who hasn’t seen it go watch it on YouTube.
posted by jmogFox News could play that exchange on repeat and have better ratings than MSNBC. That exchange between AOC and the Wells Fargo CEO was just plain stupidity and comedy gold at the same time.
I truly suggest ANYONE who hasn’t seen it go watch it on YouTube.
Agreed. Also, this same line of thinking could be used to go after guns. By going after the banks financing manufacturers.
posted by jmogFox News could play that exchange on repeat and have better ratings than MSNBC. That exchange between AOC and the Wells Fargo CEO was just plain stupidity and comedy gold at the same time.
I truly suggest ANYONE who hasn’t seen it go watch it on YouTube.
I have seen this video during a senate hearing.......you scratch your head and wonder if she knows that Wells Fargo is a bank because her line of questions implies she thinks they build pipelines
It isn’t just the new ones who are dumbasses, don’t forget Pelosi is still a moron. Today she said she supports lowering the voting age to 16. Does she not realize how fucking stupid 16 year olds are? (She must, bc she knows they’d mostly vote democrat).
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/434115-pelosi-says-she-backs-lowering-voting-age-to-16
posted by SpockI have seen this video during a senate hearing.......you scratch your head and wonder if she knows that Wells Fargo is a bank because her line of questions implies she thinks they build pipelines
Or operates them. ;)
posted by iclfan2It isn’t just the new ones who are dumbasses, don’t forget Pelosi is still a moron. Today she said she supports lowering the voting age to 16. Does she not realize how fucking stupid 16 year olds are? (She must, bc she knows they’d mostly vote democrat).
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/434115-pelosi-says-she-backs-lowering-voting-age-to-16
Here's the thing: I'm not sure 18-year-olds are that much better informed and wiser.
At least I wasn't. I was a naive idiot.
posted by O-TrapOr operates them. ;)
posted by iclfan2It isn’t just the new ones who are dumbasses, don’t forget Pelosi is still a moron. Today she said she supports lowering the voting age to 16. Does she not realize how fucking stupid 16 year olds are? (She must, bc she knows they’d mostly vote democrat).
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/434115-pelosi-says-she-backs-lowering-voting-age-to-16
Here's the thing: I'm not sure 18-year-olds are that much better informed and wiser.
At least I wasn't. I was a naive idiot.
That’s a good argument to raise the age, not lower it.
posted by O-TrapOr operates them. ;)
posted by iclfan2It isn’t just the new ones who are dumbasses, don’t forget Pelosi is still a moron. Today she said she supports lowering the voting age to 16. Does she not realize how fucking stupid 16 year olds are? (She must, bc she knows they’d mostly vote democrat).
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/434115-pelosi-says-she-backs-lowering-voting-age-to-16
Here's the thing: I'm not sure 18-year-olds are that much better informed and wiser.
At least I wasn't. I was a naive idiot.
This is more of an argument for raising the voting age to 21, not lowing it to 16.
posted by jmogThis is more of an argument for raising the voting age to 21, not lowing it to 16.
Not as long as 18 year olds can service in the military. It is hard to argue against if they can fight for our country and die, then they can vote for the people that can send them to war.
I'm mixed on 16 year olds voting. I was pretty in the know at age 16, and I feel most kids now a days are more active in the political space. But, I could see where others would have serious reservations about it.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Not as long as 18 year olds can service in the military. It is hard to argue against if they can fight for our country and die, then they can vote for the people that can send them to war.
I'm mixed on 16 year olds voting. I was pretty in the know at age 16, and I feel most kids now a days are more active in the political space. But, I could see where others would have serious reservations about it.
We don't consider people adults until they are 18, so they shouldn't vote. I don't really believe we should raise the age to 21, I was just saying O-Trap's argument would make more sense if someone wanted to raise the age rather than lower it.
I actually think the drinking age should be 18, for the same reason you listed. If someone is old enough to go die for our freedoms they should be old enough to buy a drink.
posted by ptown_trojans_1I'm mixed on 16 year olds voting. I was pretty in the know at age 16, and I feel most kids now a days are more active in the political space. But, I could see where others would have serious reservations about it.
Being active in the political space and being intelligent/ knowing what they are talking about are two VERY different things. I realize 80% of adults aren't intelligent/ know what they're talking about either, but you have can't stop them from voting.
posted by ptown_trojans_1
I'm mixed on 16 year olds voting. I was pretty in the know at age 16, and I feel most kids now a days are more active in the political space. But, I could see where others would have serious reservations about it.
Nice humblebrag, but don't kid yourself. I am sure you were viewed as a dumbass 16 year old teenager just as most 16 year olds are viewed. I have reffed HS wrestling long enough to know that 16 year olds have 0 business voting. Even the "smart and mature" kids have no business, because they have no concept of making independent adult life decisions, while establishing a career.
On one hand, I agree that 16-year olds aren't mature enough to make informed decisions, as the vast majority of them have little to no "real world" experience. On the other, if people like CC can vote, one could make an argument that a 16-month old's opinion is equally valid to that...
posted by ptown_trojans_1Not as long as 18 year olds can service in the military. It is hard to argue against if they can fight for our country and die, then they can vote for the people that can send them to war.
It's the same argument for not raising the drinking age but nobody cared about that either.
posted by iclfan2That’s a good argument to raise the age, not lower it.
The problem is that it's subjective. How dumb/ignorant/naive/undeveloped do you have to be?
posted by jmogThis is more of an argument for raising the voting age to 21, not lowing it to 16.
I wasn't actually suggesting that. I knew plenty who were dumb at 21, too. It's subjective.
My only point is that since we allow 18-year-olds to vote, 16-year-olds aren't THAT much of a stretch. We do let them drive, after all, and even get married with provisions in some states (including Ohio).
One might claim that, to an even greater degree, it's a blemish on democracy: that idiots in large numbers have the ability to make, determine, or influence decisions that involve everyone.
Well, there is a reason why cults, ideologues, credit card companies, etc. target people from 18-22ish. That is the stage when people are, generally, most easily lead into things and are most passionate/zealous. Perfect time to manipulate someone if you're going to do it. Right now there are kids that age freaking out thinking they are going to die from climate change in 12 years; adult women saying they don't want to have children only for them to do due to that same climate change. If these people are that easily lead into doomsday prophesies, why the fuck not give them the vote amirite? They'll easily do your bidding.
Want to see "progressives" pucker and have a meltdown?
Tell them you really, REALLY support "equality" and that all of the states should have the same number of electoral college votes.
Sort between the virtue signalers and the true believers.
*wink*
posted by CenterBHSFanWant to see "progressives" pucker and have a meltdown?
Tell them you really, REALLY support "equality" and that all of the states should have the same number of electoral college votes.
Sort between the virtue signalers and the true believers.
*wink*
Not sure that would work since most progressives don’t want the electoral college anymore period. So you’d just get that argument.
posted by kizer permanenteNot sure that would work since most progressives don’t want the electoral college anymore period. So you’d just get that argument.
They're insane. Kamala and Pocahontas also said they would be for adding supreme court seats. They want Trump to win again.
posted by iclfan2They're insane. Kamala and Pocahontas also said they would be for adding supreme court seats. They want Trump to win again.
Throw Beto in that mix. He was saying something like up to 15 SCOTUS judges would be interesting.
When will the media ask AOC about this report from 1989?
https://www.apnews.com/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0
At least they are giving us 12 yrs this time.