Until they perp walk him on tv, I am calling fake news again
Has there ever been someone who uses the term "fake news" that isn't a moron?
posted by iclfan2Haven’t posted about this in awhile… but lawls. Dems are in the twilight zone. Also, not sure why people are upset identifying as a breakfast taco, they’re delicious.
The Democrats say what they really think: men can get pregnant and if you disagree, you are “transphobic” and responsible for violence pic.twitter.com/44CeIi5WvT
— Josh Hawley (@HawleyMO) July 12, 2022
Are you saying "Junior" was a Hollywood creation and NOT A DOCUMENTARY!!!!!
If the story is true, we don’t have an abortion law problem as the original story pushed, but an illegal immigrant problem?
This means jmog and geeblock round 2.
posted by iclfan2If the story is true, we don’t have an abortion law problem as the original story pushed, but an illegal immigrant problem?
I heard the abortion doctor is now being sued for breach of confidentiality. Could be why she clammed up. Which is all great, because this girl didn't need all the national media attention. Just another activist exploiting the trauma of a tender age child.
Of course, the Repubs that were all calling the story fake also jumped the gun. And all dumb because, whether this child existed or not, certainly it was going to happen somewhere eventually.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieThis means jmog and geeblock round 2.
Lol I think he made himself look dumb enough yelling at me over an article that didn’t even say it the rape wasn’t real. I’m sure he won’t apologize and move the goalposts to something else
posted by geeblockLol I think he made himself look dumb enough yelling at me over an article that didn’t even say it the rape wasn’t real. I’m sure he won’t apologize and move the goalposts to something else
Lolling at you saying someone made themselves look dumb.
posted by supermanLolling at you saying someone made themselves look dumb.
Same
posted by geeblockLol I think he made himself look dumb enough yelling at me over an article that didn’t even say it the rape wasn’t real. I’m sure he won’t apologize and move the goalposts to something else
You know that’s now why I called you an ass hat.
I called you an ass hat because you said that I don’t care about a 10 year old girl being raped.
Huge difference than what you just said.
I am literally the one that posted that it appears that the story is valid according to the Dispatch above. That’s admitting that myself and the Ohio Attorney General were wrong about the case.
You and Kizer were the ones that said I didn’t care about the victim at all, which made you ass hats.
So when you apologize for that I will apologize for calling you an ass hat.
posted by jmogYou know that’s now why I called you an ass hat.
I called you an ass hat because you said that I don’t care about a 10 year old girl being raped.
Huge difference than what you just said.
I am literally the one that posted that it appears that the story is valid according to the Dispatch above. That’s admitting that myself and the Ohio Attorney General were wrong about the case.
You and Kizer were the ones that said I didn’t care about the victim at all, which made you ass hats.
So when you apologize for that I will apologize for calling you an ass hat.
To be clear there is a huge difference between saying someone doesn’t care at all and saying someone doesn’t care enough to change their opinions about a law, but if it makes u feel better I apologize for offending you
posted by geeblockTo be clear there is a huge difference between saying someone doesn’t care at all and saying someone doesn’t care enough to change their opinions about a law, but if it makes u feel better I apologize for offending you
I have said multiple times that I think the current Ohio law is too restrictive, even with the fact that it would have allowed for an abortion in this case.
So what opinion about this law should I change?
posted by geeblockTo be clear there is a huge difference between saying someone doesn’t care at all and saying someone doesn’t care enough to change their opinions about a law, but if it makes u feel better I apologize for offending you
And here's what you can't seem to comprehend no matter how many times it is explained: The vast majority of laws have winners and losers. Rare exceptions are not an argument for or against. Emotional appeals aren't particularly useful in the legislative process.
If every anecdotal case of undue hardship torpedoed a law, then you'd be the OC's #2 libertarian anarchist.
posted by geeblockSame
At least you're smart enough to laugh at yourself
posted by gutAnd here's what you can't seem to comprehend no matter how many times it is explained: The vast majority of laws have winners and losers. Rare exceptions are not an argument for or against. Emotional appeals aren't particularly useful in the legislative process.
If every anecdotal case of undue hardship torpedoed a law, then you'd be the OC's #2 libertarian anarchist.
I get it, however in this case you could actually allow individual freedom to each person to decide for themselves. This law doesn’t have to exist at all.
posted by supermanAt least you're smart enough to laugh at yourself
I was talking about you
Shocking how this all unfolded. Just shocking. I guess you guys can stop patting each other on the back now.
posted by geeblockI was talking about you
No U!
posted by gutIf every anecdotal case of undue hardship torpedoed a law, then you'd be the OC's #2 libertarian anarchist.
posted by geeblockI get it, however in this case you could actually allow individual freedom to each person to decide for themselves. This law doesn’t have to exist at all.
I agree. It's unclear to me whether or not this was actually illegal in Ohio. But that's beside the point.
However, there seems to be broad support for rape/incest exemptions. And there also seems to be broad support for a 15 week law. So maybe complain to the people you're voting for instead of excoriating random people on the internet that disagree with you.
Has anyone in Congress presented a bill to codify abortion federally?
posted by gutI agree. It's unclear to me whether or not this was actually illegal in Ohio. But that's beside the point.
However, there seems to be broad support for rape/incest exemptions. And there also seems to be broad support for a 15 week law. So maybe complain to the people you're voting for instead of excoriating random people on the internet that disagree with you.
First off, been traveling and holiday for a bit, but did want to say my bad about assuming and the whole LinkedIn post. On a reread looks like I assumed what you were talking about. My bad on that one.
Also, catching up here, jmog did say many pages ago he is in support of carve outs for exceptions.
On this post. I think it is open if the 10 year could have gotten the abortion here. Read this morning, from the Dispatch, that doctors think the health and safety of the mother exception may not have flown here in the state of Ohio. The law is pretty murky on that and doctors, facing a penalty and losing their license, may not want to risk being the first to challenge the law.
You also say there is broad support for exceptions, but not here. The current law in Ohio that was passed in 2019, signed by the Governor and went into effect once Roe went down, says no abortions after 6 weeks only exception being the murky life of the mother. That law is not changing given the makeup of the statehouse and the fact Dewine is likely going to win again in November.
There are numerous bills in the hopper in the statehouse that also have Republican support and are likely going to pass during the lame duck, including ones that completely ban abortions with the only exception being health of the mother, which again is murky.
You could say ok, reach out to your state rep and let them know or vote them out. My rep is Kris Jordan who is very very pro life and supports all bans on abortions. My Senator is Andrew Brenner, who is also very pro-life, so they are not rolling back any laws here. They are also locked in to very safe seats thanks to the gerrymandered maps passed, so I highly doubt any law that you support could even sniff the floor of the statehouse here.
That leaves the federal route right? Well, my new rep is Jim Jordan...so he isn't changing his mind on abortion. The Congress also cannot agree on where the lines are as previous attempts have died in the Senate.
posted by like_thatHas anyone in Congress presented a bill to codify abortion federally?
Several. The Ds tried after the leak and they died in the Senate like most things.
A few other bills have not made it far either due no one can agree on where to draw the line now, which is a big problem for the Ds.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Several. The Ds tried after the leak and they died in the Senate like most things.
A few other bills have not made it far either due no one can agree on where to draw the line now, which is a big problem for the Ds.
The problem is that most people on the left do not even realize how far left many of them have gone on this issue (the far right as well).
The left always points to Europe as the great bastion of hope yet nearly every country in Europe had far stricter abortion laws than the US before RvW was overturned.
If the Rs proposed European rules, which for most countries is 15 weeks and nothing past that unless there is literally a mother dying, the Ds would shoot it down in 1 second as "Draconian" and "Dark ages".
Too many Ds want abortions up to and even after birth, which is rather insane, quite frankly as insane as making a 10 year old rape victim give birth. They don't see that as a problem though, vast majority of Rs do see the 10 year old rape victim as a problem and I can bet the definition of "health of mother" gets really clear due to this case.