posted by kizer permanente

Sorry Schmidt and Becker are Reps. 

Point remains unchanged. We have law makers voting on legislation for us that they don’t fully understand what they’re voting on. 

Agree.  My point also remains unchanged.  Why leave it to 5 people in black robes?  You have a greater immediate ability to influence our state legislature than the federal legislature much less the lifetime federal SCOTUS.  They have washed their hands of this so now we can have at it at a level of governance we have more influence over.

posted by kizer permanente

The problem is there’s a large portion of the right that take hard line stances and don’t agree with you.  That’s why we see this legislation try to be pushed thru. Now they have essentially the backing of the SCOTUS 

The same can be said for a large portion of the left calling for “abortions” for hours/weeks after the baby is already born.

Actual bills discussed in at least CA, NY, and VA had various forms of this.

Don’t act that that isn’t more “crazy”.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Where do those rights begin? That question is now on the table. How far are you willing to go? .

Most, if not all, these issues would fail to pass constitutional scrutiny.  Which is what most people should really care about.

Roe v. Wade was overturned on the the basis of an improper decison relying on federal freedoms not codified.

It's not rocket science, people.  The SCOTUS didn't make law, they unmade improper law.  You can still have all the abortion you like, you just have to elect state and/or federal represetnatives to make that happen.

posted by majorspark

This is not going to happen.  Women are not going to be dying in droves.

It's almost as if people regurgitate left-wing talking points without a modicum of logical thought.

posted by kizer permanente

Lol Gut  never failing to coming thru with his preconceived stereotypes  to make his argument.  

hEy gUyz… pOoR pEoPlE sHoUld uSE tHeIr hEAlTh InSuRaNce FoR bIrTh CoNtRol 

You have no idea how idiotic that sounds … that’s how we know how out of touch your are with reality.  Jfc  lol you think everyone just lives like you and your little bubble friends don’t you? 

LOL... You've not presented an actual counter-argument.  Ad hominem attack, mental diarrhea on display.

And I didn't say "pOoR pEoPlE sHoUld uSE tHeIr hEAlTh InSuRaNce FoR bIrTh CoNtRol".  Rather, you proved my point that idiots like you can't be bothered to read.  You misunderstand something and your brain instantly shuts off...emotions go to Defcon 0.111.  And then you flame people with stupidity.

You've done this over and over.  You are so over the top triggered that you can't even read and process coherently what people are saying.

Take a timeout.  A lot of deep breaths.  And then some more time. Then re-read what's actually being said before proceeding to bukkake the board with your random incoherences.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I also ask if posters on here are in favor of the following, because these are all now issues on the table here and being discussed currently in other states. 

Full bans with no exceptions.

Criminal charging abortion providers in state and anyone that helps someone travel out of state.

Banning Plan B.

Banning IUDs 

Banning the use of the drug that is ordered through the mail.

I don't agree with any of these things happening, and based on the average view of abortion I think you will be hard pressed to find many people who agree with any of it.   The problem is, these debates should have started 50 years ago vs legislating from the bench.  My guess in 50 years, laws would have been passed/reversed/amended/etc as society learned more about abortions.  This goes along the lines of what information is available and how the average view of abortion has changed with readily availably facts.  Instead, NOW is when the conversation is just beginning and we all are going to have to go through these growing pains that should have started a long time ago. 

Personally speaking, I think 99% of abortions are morally fucked up.  I understand and I am ok with the reasons being brought up in this thread for emotional appeal (rape, incest, dying, etc), however the reality is that those reasons a barely a blip on the radar for abortions and I believe a lot of people use "women's rights" as a shield for debate. 

Politically speaking, despite a few posters all of a sudden pretending to care about individual liberties, if you want to use a libertarian argument, libertarianism is about self autonomy and property rights + the non aggression principle.  If you actually understand this (most here don't), then you can understand why a libertarian (or someone who holds a lot of libertarian views) would extend these rights to a defenseless life in someone's body.  This is especially true for those that believe life begins at conception.  Most of us believe this is true for every other animal on the planet, but apparently can't grasp this for humans.   With that being said, nobody is ever going to be happy with this debate.  This is why I believe (and hope) every state aligns with Europe and allows abortions in the first trimester.   This is in line with what most people in the US are comfortable with and it's the best compromise. 

Edit: I could be wrong, but I think the votes are there to codify abortions up to the first trimester. Dems have failed to do this in the last 50 years.   I think some Rs would vote in favor of it too. 

posted by gut

LOL... You've not presented an actual counter-argument.  Ad hominem attack, mental diarrhea on display.

And I didn't say "pOoR pEoPlE sHoUld uSE tHeIr hEAlTh InSuRaNce FoR bIrTh CoNtRol".  Rather, you proved my point that idiots like you can't be bothered to read.  You misunderstand something and your brain instantly shuts off...emotions go to Defcon 0.111.  And then you flame people with stupidity.

You've done this over and over.  You are so over the top triggered that you can't even read and process coherently what people are saying.

Take a timeout.  A lot of deep breaths.  And then some more time. Then re-read what's actually being said before proceeding to bukkake the board with your random incoherences.

The problem is you live in a world where you think everyone has the same wealth and access like you. I can't help you think like a little kid. You offer simple solutions b/c that's the terms you like to think in.  "Well people should just do this b/c that's what I'd do and it's easy for me". There isn't a debate for someone who thinks like you who doesn't live in anyone else's reality. So I'll let you carry on believing everyone has access to everything you have and should just do what you'd do. You've formed your entire viewpoints off that.

posted by gut

LOL... You've not presented an actual counter-argument.  Ad hominem attack, mental diarrhea on display.

And I didn't say "pOoR pEoPlE sHoUld uSE tHeIr hEAlTh InSuRaNce FoR bIrTh CoNtRol".  Rather, you proved my point that idiots like you can't be bothered to read.  You misunderstand something and your brain instantly shuts off...emotions go to Defcon 0.111.  And then you flame people with stupidity.

You've done this over and over.  You are so over the top triggered that you can't even read and process coherently what people are saying.

Take a timeout.  A lot of deep breaths.  And then some more time. Then re-read what's actually being said before proceeding to bukkake the board with your random incoherences.

Tell me about it,  I was thinking about starting talking points using other peoples stances just to see how quick they be triggered to say the opposite even though it was their original stance

For CC and QO:

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

For CC and QO:

Awesome,  I don’t think you know which one I am since I am trolling 90% of the time

posted by Fletch

Awesome,  I don’t think you know which one I am since I am trolling 90% of the time

I guess not.  You’re the same as Churchill described the USSR: a riddle wrapped inside a mystery inside an enigma.

posted by geeblock

Either way idc. I don’t think anyone should be infringed upon by other’s opinions. No matter what the opinion or even if I agree with it. I hope no one ever gets an abortion for many of the same reasons u do, but I don’t believe my opinion should matter to another person and their right to priv

Mind numbing.  

But I am glad that you agree that the innocent unborn baby shall not be infringed upon. 

Unborn baby is an oxymoron, you're half of that.

posted by gut

LOL, I just realized the irony of this decision is the Left suddenly cares deeply & passionately about folks living in fly-over land.

And their protestations are effectively 'anti-democracy'.  They don't want The People to decide; they want a dictator or a dictatorial court to give them what they want (so they don't have to debate the issue).   Pretty funny. 

posted by QuakerOats

And their protestations are effectively 'anti-democracy'.  They don't want The People to decide; they want a dictator or a dictatorial court to give them what they want (so they don't have to debate the issue).   Pretty funny. 

lol same guy who lost his shit and refused to wear a mask when the state asked him too

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/27/politics/football-coach-prayer-high-school-supreme-court-kennedy/index.html

Don't worry guys.. the praying is optional. Just like the optional workouts. 

posted by kizer permanente

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/27/politics/football-coach-prayer-high-school-supreme-court-kennedy/index.html

Don't worry guys.. the praying is optional. Just like the optional workouts. 

So the SCOTUS proved its Freedom OF Religion and not Freedom FROM Religion.

posted by jmog

So the SCOTUS proved its Freedom OF Religion and not Freedom FROM Religion.

Uh huh. This SCOTUS is bound an determined to prove to everyone it seems? 

Im sure there would be no uproar if this was a muslim prayer

posted by geeblock

Im sure there would be no uproar if this was a muslim prayer

I can't wait for it lol. Muslim coaches bringing out a prayer rug to midfield and old ladies gasping for air as they faint. 

posted by geeblock

lol same guy who lost his shit and refused to wear a mask when the state asked him too

Elected representatives didn't have a say as I recall.

posted by kizer permanente

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/27/politics/football-coach-prayer-high-school-supreme-court-kennedy/index.html

Don't worry guys.. the praying is optional. Just like the optional workouts. 

Cute headline by CNN. This is up here with the faux cc and Quaker outrage. If he isn’t forcing players to pray with him, what is the issue?

This happens at public schools all the time for most sports and it’s normally voluntary, if not there would be serious issues. 

  The fact it even made it to the SCOTUS is a joke regardless if he was praising Jesus or Muhammad. 

posted by like_that

Cure headline by CNN. This is up here with the faux cc and Quaker outrage. If he isn’t forcing players to pray with him, what is the issue?

This happens at public schools all the time for most sports and it’s normally voluntary, if not there would be serious issues. 

  The fact it even made it to the SCOTUS is a joke regardless if he was praising Jesus or Muhammad. 

the issue is the point i brought up.. you have an authority figure leading prayer. Off season workouts are optional too.. you just don't play if you don't go to them. 

posted by kizer permanente

I can't wait for it lol. Muslim coaches bringing out a prayer rug to midfield and old ladies gasping for air as they faint. 

Same energy as the idiots being like what if blacks were legally armed in the streets! Ok, terms accepted.

posted by kizer permanente

the issue is the point i brought up.. you have an authority figure leading prayer. Off season workouts are optional too.. you just don't play if you don't go to them. 

You’re telling me instead of relying on my ability to get a full ride in football, all I had to do was join the team prayer? Smfh.