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QuakerOats

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Thu, Jan 20, 2022 11:30 AM

The 2005 bipartisan commission on elections (Carter-Baker) made clear the areas of major concern and recommended:  voter ID, no mail-in ballots (Except legitimate absentees), and no ballot harvesting, among other good recommendations.  

What happened?  Dems/progressives (aka Marxists) have completely ignored this and done the opposite, in order to manufacture votes. 

Worse yet, this latest attempt to literally federalize state elections to insure dem cheating also includes provisions for YOU to donate to their campaigns:  for every $1 they raise, YOU get to give them $6.  How special is that. 


This attempted legislataion had NOTHING to do with voter rights (which every legal citizen of age already has); it had EVERYTHING to do with making cheating legal, AND padding the coffers of rep's and senators on our dime. 


Repulsive in every way.


queencitybuckeye

Senior Member

Thu, Jan 20, 2022 11:47 AM

Thank you for proving the first sentence of my post conclusively true.

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Fri, Jan 21, 2022 10:39 AM

If you believe that a federal takeover of state elections is just a nonsense issue, then so be it.  The founders thought otherwise, for good reason. 



Dr Winston O'Boogie

Senior Member

Sat, Jan 22, 2022 1:56 PM
posted by queencitybuckeye

When both parties get their hands on a nonsense issue, it's amazing the amount of time that can be wasted other than stirring up their party loyalists, which is of course the real goal.

Democrats, with rare exception minorities have ID and those that don't can easily get one. How very white of you to think you need to take care of these poor unfortunates to accomplish something so trivial.

Republicans, there is no real evidence of widespread cheating in our elections no matter which podcast "celebrities" get some crackpot to say there is.

Another example is a recent vote in Mississippi in response to critical race theory.


The likelihood that any politician in that state’s general assembly had ever heard the term critical race theory prior to 2-3 years ago is unlikely.  Nevertheless, a bill was passed banning the teaching of any race as being superior or inferior to others.  When the sponsor was asked if there was any examples of this happening in Mississippi, he admitted that he had not found or heard of any.  But he did say t hat the bill was in response to calls from his constituents very concerned about what is going on with this issue “around the country” based upon what they’ve been seeing on cable news.  


So a non-issue is spun into not only an issue, but an urgent and pressing one that has the “future of our state” at stake.  


Legislating from cable news.  


gut

Senior Member

Mon, Jan 24, 2022 4:05 PM

amgreatness.com?

Where do you find this crap?

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Mon, Jan 24, 2022 5:08 PM

Mr. Hanson is about as good as they come;  you best read up. 



Victor Davis Hanson (born September 5, 1953) is an American conservative commentator, classicist, and military historian. He has been a commentator on modern and ancient warfare and contemporary politics for The New York TimesWall Street JournalNational ReviewThe Washington Times, and other media outlets.

He is a professor emeritus of Classics at California State University, Fresno, the Martin and Illie Anderson Senior Fellow in classics and military history at Stanford University's Hoover Institution, and visiting professor at Hillsdale College. Hanson was awarded the National Humanities Medal in 2007 by President George W. Bush, and was a presidential appointee in 2007–2008 on the American Battle Monuments Commission.

Fletch

Member

Mon, Jan 24, 2022 5:23 PM
posted by gut

amgreatness.com?

Where do you find this crap?

that "crap" is just an explanation of the other "crap" that seems to stink more then his crap

ptown_trojans_1

Moderator

Mon, Jan 24, 2022 6:58 PM
posted by QuakerOats

Mr. Hanson is about as good as they come;  you best read up. 



Victor Davis Hanson (born September 5, 1953) is an American conservative commentator, classicist, and military historian. He has been a commentator on modern and ancient warfare and contemporary politics for The New York TimesWall Street JournalNational ReviewThe Washington Times, and other media outlets.

He is a professor emeritus of Classics at California State University, Fresno, the Martin and Illie Anderson Senior Fellow in classics and military history at Stanford University's Hoover Institution, and visiting professor at Hillsdale College. Hanson was awarded the National Humanities Medal in 2007 by President George W. Bush, and was a presidential appointee in 2007–2008 on the American Battle Monuments Commission.

He is also a long time neocon who has been wrong about a lot of things over the years....

Dr Winston O'Boogie

Senior Member

Mon, Jan 24, 2022 7:06 PM
posted by QuakerOats

Mr. Hanson is about as good as they come;  you best read up. 



Victor Davis Hanson (born September 5, 1953) is an American conservative commentator, classicist, and military historian. He has been a commentator on modern and ancient warfare and contemporary politics for The New York TimesWall Street JournalNational ReviewThe Washington Times, and other media outlets.

He is a professor emeritus of Classics at California State University, Fresno, the Martin and Illie Anderson Senior Fellow in classics and military history at Stanford University's Hoover Institution, and visiting professor at Hillsdale College. Hanson was awarded the National Humanities Medal in 2007 by President George W. Bush, and was a presidential appointee in 2007–2008 on the American Battle Monuments Commission.

I was reading that.  W probably gave him all that because he was an outspoken supporter of the invasion of and war with Iraq.  What a great call that was.  


iclfan2

Reppin' the 330/216/843

Tue, Feb 1, 2022 8:33 PM

Whoopi doesn’t understand Jews are a race. Her show and all left wing news spew misinformation daily. Yet they come at Rogan (who I don’t even listen to). What a shit show. 

gut

Senior Member

Tue, Feb 1, 2022 8:55 PM

Man, Colbert has become insufferably unfunny.  He's called plenty of Repubs racist for a lot less, but just sits there while Whoopi says ignorant, bigoted things.

Can't believe her and Joy Behar haven't been fired, much less censored, on The View all these years.  They have all the class and grace of Trump.

Dr Winston O'Boogie

Senior Member

Wed, Feb 2, 2022 6:56 AM
posted by iclfan2

Whoopi doesn’t understand Jews are a race. Her show and all left wing news spew misinformation daily. Yet they come at Rogan (who I don’t even listen to). What a shit show. 

This is not surprising.  Hollywood has long portrayed Jews as a religious group and not a race - example is School Ties.  They want it both ways.

 

Anyone else find it ironic that Whoopi chose a commonly Ashkanazi Jewish surname for her stage name?  Idiot.



jmog

Senior Member

Wed, Feb 2, 2022 7:02 AM
posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

This is not surprising.  Hollywood has long portrayed Jews as a religious group and not a race - example is School Ties.  They want it both ways.

 

Anyone else find it ironic that Whoopi chose a commonly Ashkanazi Jewish surname for her stage name?  Idiot.



I am not one to call for someone to be fired for controversial opinions.


But the only way for Disney to not be a hypocrite, given the others they have fired, Whoopi will have to be let go for this.


kizer permanente

Senior Member

Wed, Feb 2, 2022 7:18 AM
posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

This is not surprising.  Hollywood has long portrayed Jews as a religious group and not a race - example is School Ties.  They want it both ways.

 

Anyone else find it ironic that Whoopi chose a commonly Ashkanazi Jewish surname for her stage name?  Idiot.



I don't think it's just Hollywood. We've all filled out applications and medical forms. I've never seen Jewish on there for race ?

Dr Winston O'Boogie

Senior Member

Wed, Feb 2, 2022 7:22 AM
posted by kizer permanente

I don't think it's just Hollywood. We've all filled out applications and medical forms. I've never seen Jewish on there for race ?

According to many, Jews are not a race.  Many people have been accused of antisemitism for suggesting they are.


Dr Winston O'Boogie

Senior Member

Wed, Feb 2, 2022 7:26 AM

You will easily find a lot of materials out there - often from Jewish sources - that say Judaism is not a race.

geeblock

Member

Wed, Feb 2, 2022 8:28 AM
posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

You will easily find a lot of materials out there - often from Jewish sources - that say Judaism is not a race.

Sammy Davis jr would agree 


jmog

Senior Member

Wed, Feb 2, 2022 9:09 AM
posted by kizer permanente

I don't think it's just Hollywood. We've all filled out applications and medical forms. I've never seen Jewish on there for race ?

The problem is that the US isn’t the only country. The whole ME and Northern Africa (like Egypt) are considered Semitic rather than “Asian” or “african”  just because the US doesn’t put that on a form doesn’t mean we are right.


We don’t put Indian (actual India) either but they are quite obviously a different “race” than what we consider “Asian” (Japan, korea, China, Mongolia, etc).


jmog

Senior Member

Wed, Feb 2, 2022 9:10 AM
posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

You will easily find a lot of materials out there - often from Jewish sources - that say Judaism is not a race.

Judaism is a religion, Semitic (race that Jews are) is a race. Hope this helps


kizer permanente

Senior Member

Wed, Feb 2, 2022 9:51 AM
posted by jmog

The problem is that the US isn’t the only country. The whole ME and Northern Africa (like Egypt) are considered Semitic rather than “Asian” or “african”  just because the US doesn’t put that on a form doesn’t mean we are right.


We don’t put Indian (actual India) either but they are quite obviously a different “race” than what we consider “Asian” (Japan, korea, China, Mongolia, etc).


Yeah.. I'm just saying its not really a Hollywood issue. 

Dr Winston O'Boogie

Senior Member

Wed, Feb 2, 2022 9:55 AM
posted by jmog

Judaism is a religion, Semitic (race that Jews are) is a race. Hope this helps


It helps nothing.  My point was that different constituencies parse the Jewish religion vs race question differently.  This includes some Jewish organizations.  So while I understand that Whoopi Goldberg was talking about it from a perspective of someone who hasn’t a clue about the question, she inadvertently raised a fair point.  The outrage police better do some research on who’s said what on this topic before going all in on Whoopi.  They’d be surprised who some of their allies and adversaries are.


iclfan2

Reppin' the 330/216/843

Wed, Feb 2, 2022 10:36 AM
posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

The outrage police better do some research on who’s said what on this topic before going all in on Whoopi.  They’d be surprised who some of their allies and adversaries are.

You can’t look at historical events through modern progressive lenses. Hitler, and most of the World, viewed the Jewish people as a different race prior to WWII. And that had nothing to do with their religious practices. So saying the holocaust wasn’t about race was extremely dumb and is what happens when you only look at the world by skin color. I don’t think she should have been suspended for it. 

Dr Winston O'Boogie

Senior Member

Wed, Feb 2, 2022 11:02 AM
posted by iclfan2

You can’t look at historical events through modern progressive lenses. Hitler, and most of the World, viewed the Jewish people as a different race prior to WWII. And that had nothing to do with their religious practices. So saying the holocaust wasn’t about race was extremely dumb and is what happens when you only look at the world by skin color. I don’t think she should have been suspended for it. 

I agree with what you say here.  I frankly don't see why there's so much anger aimed at her.  I think she is ill-informed and has some anti-white racist attitudes.  Nonetheless, it is interesting to see people railing at her for essentially repeating the message most Jewish organizations have promulgated for 80 years - that "Jewish" is not a race of people.  



jmog

Senior Member

Wed, Feb 2, 2022 11:05 AM
posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

It helps nothing.  My point was that different constituencies parse the Jewish religion vs race question differently.  This includes some Jewish organizations.  So while I understand that Whoopi Goldberg was talking about it from a perspective of someone who hasn’t a clue about the question, she inadvertently raised a fair point.  The outrage police better do some research on who’s said what on this topic before going all in on Whoopi.  They’d be surprised who some of their allies and adversaries are.


Sorry, but only someone who is ignorant of actual WW2 history and the Holocaust would say it wasn’t about race.


The Nazi’s were literally white supremacists who thought the “Arian race” was superior to all others, and they considered Jews a completely different race.


And anyone who is trying to explain away what she said is also ignorant of the history.


Hope that helps more