posted by ptown_trojans_1.......
Dirty little secret. The Arab world does not give a shit about the Palestinians.
Fact!
I do have some empathy towards Abdullah. That poor bastard is saddled with about 3 million of them.
posted by QuakerOatsMarginalize the Palestinians and this is what you get. These nations could not wait to wash their hands of them.
posted by QuakerOats
Yes, Jared Kushner's promised end to the Middle East crisis. Shocking that it didn't last. Glad we got involved in moving our embassy to Jerusalem as well. That's been awesome.
posted by ptown_trojans_1To quote Paul Newman from Road to Perdition, "There are only murders in this room." Both the Israelis and the Palestinians have done nothing to actually solve the problem or take steps to any resolution. While Israel's tactics over the last 10 years are not as guerilla as Hamas, their actions are still not great and a greater use of force to inflict more deaths. Add to that the growing settlement growth over the last 10 years. Yes, Hamas and the PA are horrible and the rockets and violence is also bad. But, they are equally as horrible. One is not less bad than the other.
That is why a lot of posters are right on here that it is best to stay out of it. The U.S leadership to try and solve it is pointless.
Only the two sides can solve it, and neither one wants to actually do that. That would lead to some hard questions about what it means to be Israeli and Palestinian that neither side wants to answer.
You are equating Jews moving into Palestinian areas with rockets...
Come on man...the Jews maybe wrong but the two things aren’t on the same level.
That’s like you saying something mean to someone’s wife, they shoot you dead, and people saying “well, he was equally wrong for saying something rude so I will stay out of it...”
posted by majorsparkI agree if outside forces were to stay out of it and let Israel finish the job with Hamas, perhaps more moderate minds could prevail.
Yes, because in the last 50+ years there is a successful track record of a superior military just dominating and finishing the job on a guerilla and militia style group....
posted by jmogYou are equating Jews moving into Palestinian areas with rockets...
Come on man...the Jews maybe wrong but the two things aren’t on the same level.
That’s like you saying something mean to someone’s wife, they shoot you dead, and people saying “well, he was equally wrong for saying something rude so I will stay out of it...”
Not at all actually. You are missing my point. My point is there is blood on everyone's hands here. No one is in the right. You are missing a lot of what Israel is doing or has done to Palestinians that live in Israel. You are also glossing over the amount of people killed by Israeli attacks as well.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Yes, because in the last 50+ years there is a successful track record of a superior military just dominating and finishing the job on a guerilla and militia style group....
When crippling limits are placed on the use of a superior military, dominating and finishing the job is an impossibility.
posted by majorsparkWhen crippling limits are placed on the use of a superior military, dominating and finishing the job is an impossibility.
Even if you take those limits away the dominate military has rarely if ever been able to finish the job. Any study of military history and counterinsurgency will show you that.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Even if you take those limits away the dominate military has rarely if ever been able to finish the job. Any study of military history and counterinsurgency will show you that.
Half-assed measures don't work.
But go back more than 50 years and history is FILLED with examples of people being conquered.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Even if you take those limits away the dominate military has rarely if ever been able to finish the job. Any study of military history and counterinsurgency will show you that.
It would be a better look if you just admitted you don't want Hamas to get its neck broke.
Trust me, I am not saying Israel is perfect, never does wrong to the Palestinians, etc.
But ANYONE that tries to equate Israel to Hamas and the PA morally quite frankly needs to stay off the Vox/MSNBC echo chamber and stop pretending to be a “moderate”.
posted by QuakerOatshttps://www.wkbn.com/news/penn-state-to-drop-freshman-other-male-specific-terms/
Hilarious
I'd be really interested to see if anyone has bothered to do a study on career success/advancement among the super woke butterflies.
I can't imagine people who put that much energy into being offended have the focus and dedication to succeed in the workplace. Not to mention all that drama and hysteria doesn't play nice with leadership and rational decisions.
You would think someone who is offended by being called a "freshman" is going to quickly establish themselves in the workplace as someone to be avoided at all costs.
Lol imagine if you got a resume with pronouns on it. Or on their LinkedIn/ social media.
posted by iclfan2Lol imagine if you got a resume with pronouns on it. Or on their LinkedIn/ social media.
A few days ago, someone had passed away and a post literally started out with something like "blessed to know Jim - he, him, his - ...."
Like I keep saying, nothing surprises me any more.
posted by majorsparkIt would be a better look if you just admitted you don't want Hamas to get its neck broke.
They wouldn't. That is what you fail to understand. Any study of modern warfare will show you more force does not translate to victory.
posted by jmogTrust me, I am not saying Israel is perfect, never does wrong to the Palestinians, etc.
But ANYONE that tries to equate Israel to Hamas and the PA morally quite frankly needs to stay off the Vox/MSNBC echo chamber and stop pretending to be a “moderate”.
You yourself are downplaying the Israel part. Again, there is blood on everyone's hands.
I am not defending any of the PA or Hamas.
posted by gutI'd be really interested to see if anyone has bothered to do a study on career success/advancement among the super woke butterflies.
I can't imagine people who put that much energy into being offended have the focus and dedication to succeed in the workplace. Not to mention all that drama and hysteria doesn't play nice with leadership and rational decisions.
You would think someone who is offended by being called a "freshman" is going to quickly establish themselves in the workplace as someone to be avoided at all costs.
Exactly
BLM now siding with their terrorist counterparts, Hamas.
Have a great day.
posted by ptown_trojans_1You yourself are downplaying the Israel part. Again, there is blood on everyone's hands.
I am not defending any of the PA or Hamas.
No, but you are saying Israel is “just as bad” which is asinine equating Israel to terrorists.
posted by jmogNo, but you are saying Israel is “just as bad” which is asinine equating Israel to terrorists.
I doubt the Palestinian civilians being killed by Israeli weapons (which we have largely paid for) agree with your assessment who the terrorists are.
posted by jmogNo, but you are saying Israel is “just as bad” which is asinine equating Israel to terrorists.
Your response shows the exact problem as you see the conflict in Israel=good and Palestine=Hamas=bad.
You also lump all Palestinian together, when in reality there are Israeli Arabs, Gaza Palestinians, and West Bank Palestinians that all have different points of view. Folks in the West Bank largely dislike Hamas and think the rockets are doing more harm than good, yet have zero power to do anything about it.
Same goes for Israel as there are numerous factions that have different points of view, and the fact the government is in dissray right now so has a vested interest to try and look tough.
I have never understood the difference between the Q and + in the LGBTQ+. Apparently the new thing is this non-binary title. Again, I'm not sure how is different than queer, genderqueer, gender fluid, etc. But anyway, singer Demi Lovato is now non-binary and wishes to be addressed with the pronoun they/them. I don't know how the multiple personality community will feel about their pronouns being appropriated, but they'll (pun intended) have to work that out.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/19/entertainment/demi-lovato-nonbinary-intl-scli/index.html
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieI doubt the Palestinian civilians being killed by Israeli weapons (which we have largely paid for) agree with your assessment who the terrorists are.
Terrorist or Freedom Fighter?
Liberator or Invader?
