posted by justincredibleThe only strong opinion I have on the situation is that we shouldn't be involved.
But Let Freedom Reign, right?
posted by jmog
Maybe our education system has truly failed.
I don't know, it seemed to fluff you up.
posted by jmogThe West Bank and Gaza were won in wars where Israel was the one attacked.
That tends to happen in wars. You attack me, and lose badly, I take some of your land.
Don’t make it sound like Israel attack the Arab countries around them to gain more land. That would be easily proven wrong by historical facts.
Except the Oslo Accords changed that. Israel has been chipping away at the land it agreed to give to the PA at Oslo ever since then. Again, if you think it is a one sided affair, you are being bias.
posted by queencitybuckeyeJust an idea, but perhaps we should consider staying the fuck out of no-win scenarios.
That means cutting all aid to Israel....you good with that?
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieWhatever topic brought up seems to send you two on a Wikipedia rampage - citing obscure facts as though they're ready knowledge. Assume we can all Google.
Well, the history and tint is favored to one side on here...
Israel=good
Palestine=bad and terrorists
posted by ptown_trojans_1That means cutting all aid to Israel....you good with that?
Yes
posted by ptown_trojans_1That means cutting all aid to Israel....you good with that?
100% yes.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Well, the history and tint is favored to one side on here...
Israel=good
Palestine=bad and terrorists
I'd say to both sides, good luck with your problems - we've got problems of our own.
posted by ptown_trojans_1That means cutting all aid to Israel....you good with that?
Yes
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieI'd say to both sides, good luck with your problems - we've got problems of our own.
Kind of the way I feel about flooding the country with illegals.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Well, the history and tint is favored to one side on here...
Israel=good
Palestine=bad and terrorists
I don't think its as black and white as that, Israel has done some of their own terrible things.
But to even believe both sides are "equal" in their attacks/atrocities is rather biased.
Eventually you get tired of defending yourself, 9 out of 10 times its the Palestinians attacking the Israelis. The Israelis have never said, to my knowledge, that Muslims should not exist at all, yet the Palestinians have said that about Jews and Israel dozens of times.
To act like the two sides are morally equal is just as biased as believing Israel can do no wrong.
These people have lost their fucking minds.
I’ll Take ‘White Supremacist Hand Gestures’ for $1,000 https://t.co/Kiaq55TOEJ
— Ben Smith (@benyt) May 17, 2021
posted by queencitybuckeyeYes
Ok, good to know and I am in the camp we should revamp/ reduce our aid as well.
posted by jmogI don't think its as black and white as that, Israel has done some of their own terrible things.
But to even believe both sides are "equal" in their attacks/atrocities is rather biased.
Eventually you get tired of defending yourself, 9 out of 10 times its the Palestinians attacking the Israelis. The Israelis have never said, to my knowledge, that Muslims should not exist at all, yet the Palestinians have said that about Jews and Israel dozens of times.
To act like the two sides are morally equal is just as biased as believing Israel can do no wrong.
Israel has and continues to. I think you need to look into the current settlement and "real estate" issue in the country. Ultra Orthodox Jews are not so much saying Muslims shouldn't exist, so much as saying, they shouldn't exist on the land of Judah. They are for pushing out all Palestinians from the West Bank. That point of view, unthinkable 20 even 10 years ago, is growing in the country.
I think they are morally equal, as I think both have a right to live in the area, and both are guilty at continuing the cycle of violence.
posted by justincredibleThese people have lost their fucking minds.
I’ll Take ‘White Supremacist Hand Gestures’ for $1,000 https://t.co/Kiaq55TOEJ
— Ben Smith (@benyt) May 17, 2021
I read that story over lunch. Holy shit people are dumb.
posted by justincredibleThese people have lost their fucking minds.
I’ll Take ‘White Supremacist Hand Gestures’ for $1,000 https://t.co/Kiaq55TOEJ
— Ben Smith (@benyt) May 17, 2021
That article both surprises me and does not surprise me at the same time.
Personally, holding out 3 fingers is much easier pinky to middle. Pulling down my pinky with my thumb is not comfortable at all. mUsT bE wHiTe SuPrEmaCy!
posted by justincrediblePersonally, holding out 3 fingers is much easier pinky to middle. Pulling down my pinky with my thumb is not comfortable at all. mUsT bE wHiTe SuPrEmaCy!
I always think of this scene....
posted by ptown_trojans_1Israel has and continues to. I think you need to look into the current settlement and "real estate" issue in the country. Ultra Orthodox Jews are not so much saying Muslims shouldn't exist, so much as saying, they shouldn't exist on the land of Judah. They are for pushing out all Palestinians from the West Bank. That point of view, unthinkable 20 even 10 years ago, is growing in the country.
I think they are morally equal, as I think both have a right to live in the area, and both are guilty at continuing the cycle of violence.
You believe that the actions of Israel and the actions of the PA and Hamas (PA and Hamas are so intertwined its hard to distinguish anymore), the two/three "state" organizations, are equal morally over say the last 10 years or so?
Come on ptown, tell me you are not serious about that.
posted by jmogCome on ptown, tell me you are not serious about that.
Isn't "You're smarter than that" your usual patronizing remark?
posted by justincredibleThese people have lost their fucking minds.
I’ll Take ‘White Supremacist Hand Gestures’ for $1,000 https://t.co/Kiaq55TOEJ
— Ben Smith (@benyt) May 17, 2021
They are seriously ill. They go nuts over an innocent hand gesture while looking away from cities being destroyed by enemies of the free republic.
posted by jmogYou believe that the actions of Israel and the actions of the PA and Hamas (PA and Hamas are so intertwined its hard to distinguish anymore), the two/three "state" organizations, are equal morally over say the last 10 years or so?
Come on ptown, tell me you are not serious about that.
To quote Paul Newman from Road to Perdition, "There are only murders in this room." Both the Israelis and the Palestinians have done nothing to actually solve the problem or take steps to any resolution. While Israel's tactics over the last 10 years are not as guerilla as Hamas, their actions are still not great and a greater use of force to inflict more deaths. Add to that the growing settlement growth over the last 10 years. Yes, Hamas and the PA are horrible and the rockets and violence is also bad. But, they are equally as horrible. One is not less bad than the other.
That is why a lot of posters are right on here that it is best to stay out of it. The U.S leadership to try and solve it is pointless.
Only the two sides can solve it, and neither one wants to actually do that. That would lead to some hard questions about what it means to be Israeli and Palestinian that neither side wants to answer.
posted by QuakerOats
Any Palestinians in there?
The Accords were good, but have zero to do with the situation now.
Dirty little secret. The Arab world does not give a shit about the Palestinians.
posted by ptown_trojans_1That is why a lot of posters are right on here that it is best to stay out of it. The U.S leadership to try and solve it is pointless.
Only the two sides can solve it, and neither one wants to actually do that. That would lead to some hard questions about what it means to be Israeli and Palestinian that neither side wants to answer.
I agree if outside forces were to stay out of it and let Israel finish the job with Hamas, perhaps more moderate minds could prevail.