A few counterpoints to the Ngo fellow, lots floating around out there.
https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/1162972206147743744?s=19
https://twitter.com/fawfulfan/status/1163072932001845248?s=19
posted by cbus4lifeA few counterpoints to the Ngo fellow, lots floating around out there.
https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/1162972206147743744?s=19
https://twitter.com/fawfulfan/status/1163072932001845248?s=19
Right or wrong on this specifically, Andy Ngo is a partisan talking head.
Look, we've seen plenty of footage of Antifa attacking and intimidating random drivers and/or passers by. It wouldn't have surprised me to know that this was them, but I think that's what Ngo is counting on when he tosses this out here, snipped to show what he wanted it to show.
If you've got American Guard, Proud Boys, and Antifa with any relevant presence in Portland, I can't understand why people aren't leaving in droves. Maybe they are, and just nobody's really featuring it, but damn.
Andy Ngo as far as I can tell, wasn't at this particular event. I'm thinking he got his footage from others. I could very well be wrong about this but I think he's afraid to go.
posted by O-TrapRight or wrong on this specifically, Andy Ngo is a partisan talking head....
If you've got American Guard, Proud Boys, and Antifa with any relevant presence in Portland, I can't understand why people aren't leaving in droves.
I've always kind of assumed Ngo deliberately agitates to provoke a reaction, trying to make himself the story (which he did, to very bad results for him). But those other links are full of people deluded to by their outrage.
As for Portland, antifa seems to be attracting the right-wing deplorables. It's starting to look like a symbiotic relationship where all these losers fulfill each other's physiological needs to hate something. People are only paying attention waiting for them to beat the crap out of each other. Otherwise they just play dress-up and nobody cares.
If you want to go crazy conspiracy theorist, you almost have to wonder if they aren't all paid actors for the purpose of manufacturing news. It's all just too conveniently packaged for the leftwing AND rightwing media. Some of the names crack me up - you telling me "Proud Boys" didn't come from a focus group test?
posted by cbus4lifeA few counterpoints to the Ngo fellow, lots floating around out there.
https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/1162972206147743744?s=19
https://twitter.com/fawfulfan/status/1163072932001845248?s=19
That’s great, other than the entire premise of Antifa is stupid. There aren’t Fascists just running around everywhere. And the libs who are like omg wwii was a bunch of Anti fascists are clowns. Just stay home, and this shit doesn’t happen.
posted by iclfan2That’s great, other than the entire premise of Antifa is stupid. There aren’t Fascists just running around everywhere. And the libs who are like omg wwii was a bunch of Anti fascists are clowns. Just stay home, and this shit doesn’t happen.
They dont realize that the only fascist actions are their own. Its humorous
posted by SpockThey dont realize that the only fascist actions are their own. Its humorous
I'm really kind of shocked we haven't seen more mass shooters from the nutbag left. The way the Dems and media constantly wind them up with identity politics, class warfare, evil corporations, and all things Trump.
I think we're at a tipping point on climate change, too. You convince people we have 18 months to avoid extinction and Republican lawmakers are going to be blamed for blocking meaningful action, and targeted by wackos who will think they're saving the plant.
posted by O-TrapJust one of those far-too-prevalent things in Christian circles that makes them (and anyone who associates with them) sound like barely-literate troglodites.
The church fathers themselves would be ashamed.
I don't know about that. I think there is criticism and disdain enough to be shared by anybody towards Israel or Palestine. I myself can see it and I am Christian. I do tend to lean towards having less criticism towards Israel but I can't blame it on my faith. I can't say to what degree I lean, although it's not 100%. I'd say the cause of my leanings is just watching from the sidelines at who plays at shenanigans more.
On a side note it is interesting, but by no means comical, to watch the rise of animosity towards Israel. What I can't gauge is if it is because of the financial dealings we have with them or something else. I think a bunch of it is financial, but that's just guesswork. And who knows? I might be completely off course with guesses.
I also think that Trump is one of the causes of this newest trend. People have a way of letting him release their truest most innermost feelings, good or bad. He's certainly shown how very willing people are to lose their shit. Between him and social media, it has given the green light for people to display who they really are.
posted by CenterBHSFanI don't know about that. I think there is criticism and disdain enough to be shared by anybody towards Israel or Palestine. I myself can see it and I am Christian. I do tend to lean towards having less criticism towards Israel but I can't blame it on my faith. I can't say to what degree I lean, although it's not 100%. I'd say the cause of my leanings is just watching from the sidelines at who plays at shenanigans more.
On a side note it is interesting, but by no means comical, to watch the rise of animosity towards Israel. What I can't gauge is if it is because of the financial dealings we have with them or something else. I think a bunch of it is financial, but that's just guesswork. And who knows? I might be completely off course with guesses.
I also think that Trump is one of the causes of this newest trend. People have a way of letting him release their truest most innermost feelings, good or bad. He's certainly shown how very willing people are to lose their shit. Between him and social media, it has given the green light for people to display who they really are.
I truly think that the animosity comes from the nearly blind loyalty to Israel, which is indeed rooted in the correlation to the biblical Israel for many (most of the people in most churches I've been to, where it was even cavalierly spoken from the pulpit and agreed with among the congregants).
Granted, there are certainly other reasons that some favor an alliance with Israel, as well. I'm not suggesting that there's only one reason. Some people like them as a hub in the Middle East. Some have the warm fuzzies for Bibi. Some probably just support it because we've already been their allies for as long as we have.
I'm not even opposed to the notion that we shouldn't have friendly relationships with them. As far as Middle Eastern countries go, they have a lot to offer.
I just get tired of the almost willful blind spot.
posted by O-TrapI truly think that the animosity comes from the nearly blind loyalty to Israel, which is indeed rooted in the correlation to the biblical Israel for many (most of the people in most churches I've been to, where it was even cavalierly spoken from the pulpit and agreed with among the congregants).
Granted, there are certainly other reasons that some favor an alliance with Israel, as well. I'm not suggesting that there's only one reason. Some people like them as a hub in the Middle East. Some have the warm fuzzies for Bibi. Some probably just support it because we've already been their allies for as long as we have.
I'm not even opposed to the notion that we shouldn't have friendly relationships with them. As far as Middle Eastern countries go, they have a lot to offer.
I just get tired of the almost willful blind spot.
Let's be honest about another factor: public criticism of Israel is often answered by cries of antisemitism. You can be critical of China and not be accused of hating Chinese people. Same with France, Brazil, hell even North Korea. But criticism of Israel is risky because in some quarters, it is like you're all of a sudden a Holocaust denier.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieLet's be honest about another factor: public criticism of Israel is often answered by cries of antisemitism. You can be critical of China and not be accused of hating Chinese people. Same with France, Brazil, hell even North Korea. But criticism of Israel is risky because in some quarters, it is like you're all of a sudden a Holocaust denier.
Certainly a fair point, but I'd be curious to know the framework behind that response.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieLet's be honest about another factor: public criticism of Israel is often answered by cries of antisemitism. You can be critical of China and not be accused of hating Chinese people. Same with France, Brazil, hell even North Korea. But criticism of Israel is risky because in some quarters, it is like you're all of a sudden a Holocaust denier.
Ironically enough, the same people that say it's not racist to criticize Israel.....say it's racist to criticize illegal immigration.
posted by gutIronically enough, the same people that say it's not racist to criticize Israel.....say it's racist to criticize illegal immigration.
I don't think this is true. Maybe people like the Squad feel this way. But there are certainly plenty of people who don't.
posted by cbus4lifeA few counterpoints to the Ngo fellow, lots floating around out there.
https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/1162972206147743744?s=19
https://twitter.com/fawfulfan/status/1163072932001845248?s=19
here's a counterpoint to your counterpoint, Cbus! lol
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieLet's be honest about another factor: public criticism of Israel is often answered by cries of antisemitism. You can be critical of China and not be accused of hating Chinese people. Same with France, Brazil, hell even North Korea. But criticism of Israel is risky because in some quarters, it is like you're all of a sudden a Holocaust denier.
Well that's not exactly correct. For that to be true you'd have to ignore things like the trendy intersectionality, post modernism, critical theory, etc. Anybody who mocks and criticizes "PoC" are immedately suspect and accused. It's why white supremacy/nazi/white nationalist, antifascist is thrown around so much nowdays.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieLet's be honest about another factor: public criticism of Israel is often answered by cries of antisemitism. You can be critical of China and not be accused of hating Chinese people. Same with France, Brazil, hell even North Korea. But criticism of Israel is risky because in some quarters, it is like you're all of a sudden a Holocaust denier.
Or, you people could try criticizing the government of Israel without using anti-Semitic language.
Hope this helps.
posted by fish82Or, you people could try criticizing the government of Israel without using anti-Semitic language.
Hope this helps.
I don't see too much anti-Semitic language in the criticism of Israel.
posted by O-TrapI don't see too much anti-Semitic language in the criticism of Israel.
Mainly Illhan. It's all about the benjamins...
posted by O-TrapI don't see too much anti-Semitic language in the criticism of Israel.
I get we aren’t just talking about the 2 clowns, but their trip was sponsored by people who support terrorists and other things. Outside of those 2, I agree anti semitic language isn’t as prevalent.
Article for you. https://www.commentarymagazine.com/anti-semitism/the-case-against-ilhan-omar-and-rashida-tlaib/
posted by like_thatMainly Illhan. It's all about the benjamins...
posted by iclfan2I get we aren’t just talking about the 2 clowns, but their trip was sponsored by people who support terrorists and other things. Outside of those 2, I agree anti semitic language isn’t as prevalent.
Article for you. https://www.commentarymagazine.com/anti-semitism/the-case-against-ilhan-omar-and-rashida-tlaib/
Sure. Half the "Squad" certainly seems to meander into that territory. I wasn't excluding them, of course. I just meant as a whole.
Probably the best thread I'll read today
(about the board game Monopoly, Socialism edition):
Obama buying a $15M beach house. Good for him. Weird how Capitalism works.
Same guy also said, “I mean, I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money.”
posted by iclfan2Obama buying a $15M beach house.
but but but what about climate change and rising seas?
posted by iclfan2Obama buying a $15M beach house. Good for him. Weird how Capitalism works.
Same guy also said, “I mean, I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money.”
I saw the carbon footprint on Martha’s vineyard, waiting for the remorse.
Do as I say, not as I do.
In before QO says "told you so":
“I think we are about to see the biggest scandal in American history,” Byrne said in an interview with Stuart Varney on Fox Business. “Everything you think you know about the Russia and Clinton investigations was a lie, it was all political espionage. I think [U.S. Attorney General William Barr] has gotten to the bottom of it.”