posted by queencitybuckeyeOne of the two has been proven by science to be conclusively false.
If Eric Holder had to admit that the officer did indeed fear for his life and did nothing wrong, then there was no "murder".
posted by O-TrapDude, relax. No need to get upset.
No, no, it's both really fun and way too easy to imagine him in a pissed off mood for days because his widdle feelings couldn't take something that someone said on the internet.
posted by HereticNo, no, it's both really fun and way too easy to imagine him in a pissed off mood for days because his widdle feelings couldn't take something that someone said on the internet.
posted by geeblockNot going to get back into that case as it has been beat to death but the police had no idea of the store interaction until days later. There is video of him giving the workers pot in exchange for cigorillos earlier in the day and then coming back to retrieve them later in the day. Of course they aren’t going to tell police they were trading pot for drugs. Either way it really is irrelevant to the story. Without body cam footage I don’t trust police accounts for interactions for the most part.
Sometimes I wonder if you are trolling or serious.
Here is the last paragraph of the wikipedia page account, pay close attention to the this paragraph:
A grand jury was called and given extensive evidence from Robert McCulloch, the St. Louis County Prosecutor. On November 24, 2014, McCulloch announced the St. Louis County grand jury had decided not to indict Wilson.[10] On March 4, 2015, the U.S. Department of Justice reported the conclusion of its own investigation and cleared Wilson of civil rights violations in the shooting. It found forensic evidence supported the officer's account, that witnesses who corroborated the officer's account were credible, and that witnesses who had incriminated him were not credible, with some admitting they had not directly seen the events.[11][12]The U.S. Department of Justice concluded that Wilson shot Brown in self-defense.[13][14]
All forensic physical evidence supported the cops account and all credible witnesses corroborated his account. I am sorry that the facts of the case don't support your feelings, but his "report" that you don't believe without body cam footage was backed up by science and eye witnesses.
I am not sure what other information you want. A grand jury (where only the prosecution get's to present a case) and the FBI found him innocent (well GJ is just choosing not to indict).
posted by HereticNo, no, it's both really fun and way too easy to imagine him in a pissed off mood for days because his widdle feelings couldn't take something that someone said on the internet.
Has nothing to do with feelings (as you well know); has everything to do with facts. The word ‘bullshit’ was quite appropriate in this instance.
Take care, and have a good week.
posted by jmogSometimes I wonder if you are trolling or serious.
Here is the last paragraph of the wikipedia page account, pay close attention to the this paragraph:
A grand jury was called and given extensive evidence from Robert McCulloch, the St. Louis County Prosecutor. On November 24, 2014, McCulloch announced the St. Louis County grand jury had decided not to indict Wilson.[10] On March 4, 2015, the U.S. Department of Justice reported the conclusion of its own investigation and cleared Wilson of civil rights violations in the shooting. It found forensic evidence supported the officer's account, that witnesses who corroborated the officer's account were credible, and that witnesses who had incriminated him were not credible, with some admitting they had not directly seen the events.[11][12]The U.S. Department of Justice concluded that Wilson shot Brown in self-defense.[13][14]
All forensic physical evidence supported the cops account and all credible witnesses corroborated his account. I am sorry that the facts of the case don't support your feelings, but his "report" that you don't believe without body cam footage was backed up by science and eye witnesses.
I am not sure what other information you want. A grand jury (where only the prosecution get's to present a case) and the FBI found him innocent (well GJ is just choosing not to indict).
I have read the report. I was saying the cop had no idea that this incident in the store took place.
per the same report you quoted. The cop had told Michael brown earlier to stop walking in the road. He sees him again walking in the road and pulls up and hits him with the door. Then per the report “ either by rebound or by being pushed” door came back and hit the officer. At this point he says he couldnt reach his non lethal weapon and pulled his gun. There is clear evidence mb grabbed the gun in my opinion to not get shot. At this point he was shot in the thumb. I don’t think any of this is in dispute. Now the blood trail at this point gets 180 feet from the car before stopping. I will agree the 6 shots that hit mb support forensics however he missed with another 10 shots. We will never know if those shots fit that narrative. My whole point was this whole incident never had to happen. Mb was just walking down the street. All this for jaywalking
These are my last comments on this topic it has been beat to death
posted by geeblockThese are my last comments on this topic it has been beat to death
good we can all move on now since everyone else moved on years ago.
posted by Spockgood we can all move on now since everyone else moved on years ago.
Cool
Koch Foods, where like 800 illegal immigrants were arrested in MS(?), is having a job fair. And - shocker - people actually showed up to an interview.
So I guess illegals taking jobs from Americans has at least some truth to it. Can't believe Trump hasn't tweeted this yet.
posted by gutKoch Foods, where like 800 illegal immigrants were arrested in MS(?), is having a job fair. And - shocker - people actually showed up to an interview.
So I guess illegals taking jobs from Americans has at least some truth to it. Can't believe Trump hasn't tweeted this yet.
No way, you mean it isn't jobs that "Americans don't want to do" like the narrative we hear?
Mississippi unemployment rate is still at 6% compared to the 3.8% average, so I guess there are a few more people there still looking.
posted by jmogNo way, you mean it isn't jobs that "Americans don't want to do" like the narrative we hear?
They'd be the first to say how racist and demeaning that is if Trump said it. I think the truth is more that Americans don't want to do those jobs for the same wages that illegals will accept.
But, LOL, looks like only 25-30 people actually showed up to apply.
posted by gutThey'd be the first to say how racist and demeaning that is if Trump said it. I think the truth is more that Americans don't want to do those jobs for the same wages that illegals will accept.
But, LOL, looks like only 25-30 people actually showed up to apply.
So wait, by and large, it doesn't seem like Americans want to do those jobs. You'd think if it was just a matter of wage, they'd at least show up to see if a higher wage was available.
posted by O-TrapSo wait, by and large, it doesn't seem like Americans want to do those jobs. You'd think if it was just a matter of wage, they'd at least show up to see if a higher wage was available.
Yeah, but people are lazy and I'd guess most just assume the pay is too low for what the job is. But theory would say if illegals aren't there to take those jobs, then the pay must rise if the job is actually needed. Are you telling me people really won't do those jobs if they paid a few bucks an hour more than McDonald's?
Starting pay was $12 per hour. That would seem like a pretty decent wage for that area. The job might take getting used to, but it's not hard labor like picking tomatoes.
posted by gutYeah, but people are lazy and I'd guess most just assume the pay is too low for what the job is. But theory would say if illegals aren't there to take those jobs, then the pay must rise if the job is actually needed. Are you telling me people really won't do those jobs if they paid a few bucks an hour more than McDonald's?
Starting pay was $12 per hour. That would seem like a pretty decent wage for that area. The job might take getting used to, but it's not hard labor like picking tomatoes.
"... if the job is actually needed."
That can be a dangerous game to play. Perhaps the jobs aren't needed at the higher rate of pay. That would, it seems, result in fewer jobs, would it not?
posted by O-TrapSo wait, by and large, it doesn't seem like Americans want to do those jobs. You'd think if it was just a matter of wage, they'd at least show up to see if a higher wage was available.
Don't let this distract you from the fact that minimum wage should be $0.
posted by like_thatDon't let this distract you from the fact that minimum wage should be $0.
Well, I have nothing against working for someone for free, so long as it isn't indentured. That's volunteering.
Moreover, I have nothing against an absence of a minimum wage altogether.
posted by O-TrapWell, I have nothing against working for someone for free, so long as it isn't indentured. That's volunteering.
Moreover, I have nothing against an absence of a minimum wage altogether.
Agreed.
posted by O-TrapPerhaps the jobs aren't needed at the higher rate of pay. That would, it seems, result in fewer jobs, would it not?
Maybe you lose some jobs, but then the workforce has shrunk by the deported illegals who were doing that job.
But not all the jobs will go away while your workforce contracts = upward pressure on wages.
Why take a low paying, menial, manual labor job when you can make a better living on welfare...which is now a lifestyle rather than a temporary measure.
Welfare reform will help this out....
posted by wkfanWhy take a low paying, menial, manual labor job when you can make a better living on welfare...which is now a lifestyle rather than a temporary measure.
Welfare reform will help this out....
It *would* but it's never going to happen now. Nobody has the guts to face the uproar.
*Edit*
Bill Clinton is now being called a republican in part because of the reform he signed into law. Today's democrat state of mind is that anybody to the right of Bernie Sanders is republican, nazi, white supremacist.
posted by wkfanWhy take a low paying, menial, manual labor job when you can make a better living on welfare...which is now a lifestyle rather than a temporary measure.
Welfare reform will help this out....
This is very true. The welfare system dis-incentivizes getting higher paying jobs.
My sister in law used to be on food stamps as a single mother with 3 kids making something like $12/hr. She refused to take a promotion once that would put her at $15/hr because she would lose her food stamps.
I am not joking, refused a $3/hr raise. I explained the math to her that she would make almost $500 more per month pre-tax which for her was $500 pretty much because she got it all back anyway, and she only got something like $350 in food stamps.
Unfortunately, by the time I convinced her she was being stupid the position had been given to someone else.
But the system also dis-incentivizes actually being married and/or living with your kids' father, which is asinine.
posted by jmogBut the system also dis-incentivizes actually being married and/or living with your kids' father, which is asinine.
Along those same lines, the reason immigrants happily accept the lower wages - and have money leftover to send back home - is because they'll not only live modestly, but live together to share expenses. That's probably still a life of luxury to them.
The relative increase in poverty, probably not coincidentally, correlates with an increase in single-parent households.