posted by like_that

Not your best moment, gut. 

Calling a dumbass a dumbass is a "bad" moment? 

posted by SportsAndLady

 

Please tell us if you're just a troll or actually stupid.  I'm curious as to what you think the answer is.

Back to reality, does the left really think that having protests over family separations of illegals makes any sense? Or that running on abolishing ICE (Warren just reiterated this today) are going to pull in all of those Midwest voters that went Trump after Obama? 

I’m all for not separating families, but it is barely a story for 99% of America and Trump has already stopped the policy. 

Also, I know the majority of Americans are stupid, but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know these people didn’t give a shit about anything for 8 years

FYI, this is the New York dem socialists today.

posted by iclfan2

FYI, this is the New York dem socialists today.

Why do you care so much about a bunch of college-aged idiots holding a dumbass sign? 

posted by SportsAndLady

Why do you care so much about a bunch of college-aged idiots holding a dumbass sign? 

Because they just had a follower/ member elected to Congress? And Bernie was almost elected? That shit should scare you

Also it fits the thread topic pretty well. Bunch of fucking retarded progressives. Funny also how all these lefties were defending the “sanctity” of the FBI but hate ICE so much.

posted by iclfan2

Back to reality, does the left really think that having protests over family separations of illegals makes any sense? Or that running on abolishing ICE (Warren just reiterated this today) are going to pull in all of those Midwest voters that went Trump after Obama? 

I’m all for not separating families, but it is barely a story for 99% of America and Trump has already stopped the policy. 

Also, I know the majority of Americans are stupid, but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know these people didn’t give a shit about anything for 8 years

Because the democrats in power know that the black vote for "D" is slowly eroding. Black people are starting to really pay attention to Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell, Candace Owens, Brandon Tatum, etc. The d's in power probably didn't expect the black vote numbers for Trump, whatsoever. And let's face it, the Trump win surprised just about everybody! So, college kids and the Hispanic vote is their main focus right now. They have no choice.

As for the ICE issue: They can abolish ICE if they want to, but all it's going to do is open up another branch or office to handle immigration affairs. The borders need to be monitored at some level. People started to organize an irregular patrol as early as 1904, Congress authorized guards in 1915, prohibition was added to the mix in 1920 and so on according to:  https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/along-us-borders/history

This is the hill dems want to die on.

posted by iclfan2

Because they just had a follower/ member elected to Congress? And Bernie was almost elected? That shit should scare you

 

I think you'll be okay man lol

posted by iclfan2

Back to reality, does the left really think that having protests over family separations of illegals makes any sense? Or that running on abolishing ICE (Warren just reiterated this today) are going to pull in all of those Midwest voters that went Trump after Obama? 

I’m all for not separating families, but it is barely a story for 99% of America and Trump has already stopped the policy. 

Also, I know the majority of Americans are stupid, but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know these people didn’t give a shit about anything for 8 years

I think that the "Abolish ICE" is = to the Right's "Abolish the IRS".

With that said - if Gillibrand is getting on the train they must have polling data that says it is a positive???

My sense is that it doesn't play well in normal America

posted by BoatShoes

I think that the "Abolish ICE" is = to the Right's "Abolish the IRS".

lol not even close. 

I bet not one person would agree to have all the illegals move into their neighborhoods and have their illegal children over run their childrens schools.

posted by Spock

I bet not one person would agree to have all the illegals move into their neighborhoods and have their illegal children over run their childrens schools.

Yeah it'd be awful if some of the model students roaming the halls of the school district you call home were replaced by illegals instead. 

posted by friendfromlowry

Yeah it'd be awful if some of the model students roaming the halls of the school district you call home were replaced by illegals instead. 

Dont make this about me.....I am not the one standing on a street corner with a sign to eliminate our border security units  (they might as well hold signs that say "Illegal immigrants....come on in."

THese people would be crying if illegals were pouring in their space.....draining their communities resources.

posted by like_that

lol not even close. 

Ok - why not in your opinion? In my opinion they are similar because it is pandering to an extreme part of the party base over something that is fundamentally pointless because there has to be an agency that handles the function of said agency. Any politician who says "abolish the IRS" or "Abolish ICE" - dead giveaway they are pandering with buffoonery. 

posted by BoatShoes

Ok - why not in your opinion? In my opinion they are similar because it is pandering to an extreme part of the party base over something that is fundamentally pointless because there has to be an agency that handles the function of said agency. Any politician who says "abolish the IRS" or "Abolish ICE" - dead giveaway they are pandering with buffoonery. 

If you are saying to abolish the IRS without any change to our tax code, then yes it is idiotic.  If "abolish the IRS" is happening concurrently with a flat tax rate, I don't think that is extreme at all.  With a flat tax, the IRS would essentially be useless. 

On the flip side abolishing ICE is pretty extreme in terms of protecting our borders.  They are pretty much promoting an open border policy.  Come in as you please. 

posted by like_that

If you are saying to abolish the IRS without any change to our tax code, then yes it is idiotic.  ...With a flat tax, the IRS would essentially be useless. 

Not at all.  If you're going to have a tax, any tax even something like a sales tax, people will cheat.  You have to have a group to enforce it.  A smaller group, sure, but you can't eliminate the IRS so long as the federal govt intends to collect any amount of tax.  Something as simple as a federal sales tax - businesses will cheat if you don't enforce it.

Or you can transfer that burden entirely to the states, in theory.  But then saying you "abolished the IRS" becomes somewhat a game of semantics.

posted by Heretic

I don't play the hashtag game either. It and prayer are equally worthless in real life.

Apparently for you.  I will accept all the prayers anyone wants to say on my behalf, and will never dismiss the power of prayer. 

posted by BoatShoes

I think that the "Abolish ICE" is = to the Right's "Abolish the IRS".

Makes Ernest Byner's fumble seem meaningless. 

posted by gut

Not at all.  If you're going to have a tax, any tax even something like a sales tax, people will cheat.  You have to have a group to enforce it.  A smaller group, sure, but you can't eliminate the IRS so long as the federal govt intends to collect any amount of tax.  Something as simple as a federal sales tax - businesses will cheat if you don't enforce it.

Or you can transfer that burden entirely to the states, in theory.  But then saying you "abolished the IRS" becomes somewhat a game of semantics.

That group would be significantly smaller.  You either pay the tax or not.  That is much easier to enforce than a the currently tax code and the amount of pages it has.   You don't need an entire agency for that.

posted by iclfan2

FYI, this is the New York dem socialists today.

Assuming George is paying them at least minimum wage ($15 in his lingo) and can withstand an I-9 audit. 

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/06/30/savage-ari-fleischer-takes-a-stab-at-how-sen-kamala-harris-will-be-remembered-years-from-this-moment/

posted by like_that

That group would be significantly smaller.  You either pay the tax or not.  That is much easier to enforce than a the currently tax code and the amount of pages it has.   You don't need an entire agency for that.

I'm have no idea how much smaller it could be.  Most of the current enforcement seems to be focused on determining income/profit of the rich and businesses.  You still need to audit that business to know if they fudged their declared income or not.  The rich guy can have income all over the world he's not declaring if you're not going to audit him.

Maybe that job is a lot easier if you eliminate other loopholes, but less enforcement is going to incentivize more cheating.

Eliminating the income tax will go a long way toward eliminating the IRS.  States have little problem establishing and enforcing sales tax collections; it is essentially automated.  The brainpower that could be unleashed when freed from the bondage of the tax code would be highly impactful on productive innovation and economic growth. 

posted by gut

I'm have no idea how much smaller it could be.  Most of the current enforcement seems to be focused on determining income/profit of the rich and businesses.  You still need to audit that business to know if they fudged their declared income or not.  The rich guy can have income all over the world he's not declaring if you're not going to audit him.

Maybe that job is a lot easier if you eliminate other loopholes, but less enforcement is going to incentivize more cheating.

I don't think it would be less enforcement, I just don't think you would need the same amount of people they do now. Certainly not for its own agency. 

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/07/02/anti-trump-comedian-michelle-wolf-compares-ivanka-to-vaginal-mesh-herpes-in-vulgar-attack-on-first-daughter.html

Another day, another new low.  Sick, sick bunch.