posted by QuakerOats

 

 

Thank you.

I was commenting on the reparations comment only, not the larger debate.  Current blacks who have never been enslaved (except by BIG government liberal democrats) should not be expecting others, who never enslaved anyone, to send them money.  Hence, the "get over it" remark.  For some reason, I thought you to be of reasonable sense and would tend to agree.

This take totally ignores the advantage that Quaker received from generational wealth that allowed him to have this amazing opinion. that blacks did not have access to 

Yeah ........I descended from royalty actually ..........

posted by geeblock

This take totally ignores the advantage that Quaker received from generational wealth that allowed him to have this amazing opinion. that blacks did not have access to 

I’m also not asking or advocating for reparations I’m just saying let’s not ignore the enrichment one group received at the expense of anoth

posted by geeblock

This take totally ignores the advantage that Quaker received from generational wealth that allowed him to have this amazing opinion. that blacks did not have access to 

I can't get down this this logic in 2018, sorry.  It's hard to imagine now, but when immigrants came thru Ellis Island they were treated like shit and were not liked.  They came here with nothing guaranteed, but an opportunity.   Most of them were not very rich either and most were discriminated against.  A lot of businesses tried to take advantage of them by offering them wages half the amount of US citizens.  I will use the Irish and Italians as example since they were the largest sample size of these immigrants and you brought up the festivals lol.  Most came here poor and most of them did not go from rags to riches off the boat.  What they did was work hard and set up an foundation for the next generation of their family, the next after, etc. We don't hear much these days about the mass poverty rate and crime coming from Italian/Irish Americans. Granted, there weren't laws purposely set in place (that I know of) to discriminate these people, but it would be laughable now if an Italian/Irish American used their great, great grand family as an excuse for their hardships. 

What about asians?  The Chinese at one point were straight up banned from coming to the states and had to move to Cuba to gain Cuban citizenship, which they eventually used to enter the US from Cuba.  The Japanese were placed in internment camps.  Asians now have the highest median income in this country.

Jews?  There was that whole holocaust thing and FDR turned down jewish refugees.  Not many jokes  thrown around about jews being unsuccessful or poor these days.

I wouldn't say "get over it." It is important to understand history, so it never repeats itself.  I feel this way with many topics, especially guns.  It's also important to understand where you came from however,  in 2018 I just can't get behind using something that happened 50+ years ago to my grandparents generation as an excuse or an attack on other people that had nothing to do with that era.  Especially in the case of AAs when they have affirmative action and an entire party promising them entitlements.   I don't think that was ever MLK's vision.

posted by geeblock

I’m also not asking or advocating for reparations I’m just saying let’s not ignore the enrichment one group received at the expense of anoth

That's actually the short point that I took the long route to.

https://afro-optimist.blogspot.com/2018/05/explaining-affirmative-action-to-martian.html

posted by like_that

I can't get down this this logic in 2018, sorry.  It's hard to imagine now, but when immigrants came thru Ellis Island they were treated like shit and were not liked.  They came here with nothing guaranteed, but an opportunity.   Most of them were not very rich either and most were discriminated against.  A lot of businesses tried to take advantage of them by offering them wages half the amount of US citizens.  I will use the Irish and Italians as example since they were the largest sample size of these immigrants and you brought up the festivals lol.  Most came here poor and most of them did not go from rags to riches off the boat.  What they did was work hard and set up an foundation for the next generation of their family, the next after, etc. We don't hear much these days about the mass poverty rate and crime coming from Italian/Irish Americans. Granted, there weren't laws purposely set in place (that I know of) to discriminate these people, but it would be laughable now if an Italian/Irish American used their great, great grand family as an excuse for their hardships. 

What about asians?  The Chinese at one point were straight up banned from coming to the states and had to move to Cuba to gain Cuban citizenship, which they eventually used to enter the US from Cuba.  The Japanese were placed in internment camps.  Asians now have the highest median income in this country.

Jews?  There was that whole holocaust thing and FDR turned down jewish refugees.  Not many jokes  thrown around about jews being unsuccessful or poor these days.

I wouldn't say "get over it." It is important to understand history, so it never repeats itself.  I feel this way with many topics, especially guns.  It's also important to understand where you came from however,  in 2018 I just can't get behind using something that happened 50+ years ago to my grandparents generation as an excuse or an attack on other people that had nothing to do with that era.  Especially in the case of AAs when they have affirmative action and an entire party promising them entitlements.   I don't think that was ever MLK's vision.

I hear what your saying. AA have the same conversations. I haven’t made any excuses. Outside of the Jews none of those experiences is worst or lasted as long as what happened to black people tho. 60 years of Jim Crow even after all that bs. In my opinion with gentrification and the lack of valuable land in suburbs we are seeing the ghettos torn down and people being pushed out to areas where I think better schools and better chances at assimilation will happen. Time is needed. I’m my opinion real opportunity for blacks educationally and employment wise en mass wasn’t a real thing until probably the 80s maybe late 70s. That’s not the case for other groups you mentioned. But I def understand what you are saying 

posted by geeblock

I hear what your saying. AA have the same conversations. I haven’t made any excuses. Outside of the Jews none of those experiences is worst or lasted as long as what happened to black people tho. 60 years of Jim Crow even after all that bs. In my opinion with gentrification and the lack of valuable land in suburbs we are seeing the ghettos torn down and people being pushed out to areas where I think better schools and better chances at assimilation will happen. Time is needed. I’m my opinion real opportunity for blacks educationally and employment wise en mass wasn’t a real thing until probably the 80s maybe late 70s. That’s not the case for other groups you mentioned. But I def understand what you are saying 

Also trust me no one is more embarrassed by the behavior of SOME black people than other black people. I have spent most of my life overtipping, being nice to rude cops and a myriad of other unnecessary things in the hope that I can break a stereotype or change someone’s mind or hope the cop will be nicer to the next black person because of it. The thing is it seems that blacks Constantly have to identify with the worst of our race, but I don’t see whites having to identify with the worst of theirs 

posted by CenterBHSFan

That's actually the short point that I took the long route to.

https://afro-optimist.blogspot.com/2018/05/explaining-affirmative-action-to-martian.html

That’s fair but I’m more talking about people being killed by cops and being denied total access to freedom. Not just Karen didn’t get into her first choice of college and had to go to her second choice. If that is what that article was saying?

posted by CenterBHSFan

That's actually the short point that I took the long route to.

https://afro-optimist.blogspot.com/2018/05/explaining-affirmative-action-to-martian.html

This reminds me of someone who has no chance of getting stop and frisked telling me stop and frisk is no big deal if you have nothing illegal on you lol 

posted by CenterBHSFan

That's actually the short point that I took the long route to.

https://afro-optimist.blogspot.com/2018/05/explaining-affirmative-action-to-martian.html

100 years of oppression and now call for meritocracy the moment u lose the advantage is what I see 

posted by geeblock

100 years of oppression and now call for meritocracy the moment u lose the advantage is what I see 

First time I have ever used that word lol hopefully I used it correctly

I now want to post my original troll post I was going to make 

hey black people stop doing racist shit if you are going to cry racism all the time!! I could have saved myself 10 posts 

posted by geeblock

That’s fair but I’m more talking about people being killed by cops and being denied total access to freedom. Not just Karen didn’t get into her first choice of college and had to go to her second choice. If that is what that article was saying?

Nah. It was more about how diversity often backfires and can/will be weaponized, basically. Not to mention the fact that affirmative action, by rule, has to discriminate against somebody - often other minorities. That's not reparations, equality, diverse, inclusive or any of the other virtue signal buzz words. It's discrimination. Ethnic (and many times sexual, religious and gender) discrimination. 

posted by geeblock

This reminds me of someone who has no chance of getting stop and frisked telling me stop and frisk is no big deal if you have nothing illegal on you lol 

Yeah.

https://twitter.com/coldxman/status/999340207471243265

posted by geeblock

100 years of oppression and now call for meritocracy the moment u lose the advantage is what I see 

Civil rights act was passed in 1964.  I think after 54 years it's ok to bring up a meritocracy.  If not, when will you be ok with it?   Apparently for millenial AAs a meritocracy is not enough.  Will it be enough for Gen Z? Do we have to wait for the generatiom below them, or do we have to wait for Gen Z to have kids?

posted by geeblock

Are you comparing the Asian experience to the black experience in this country? Any Asians get lynched? Separate schools for Asians? Separate fountains? 

Well, a substantial subset of them were rounded up and placed in prison camps with no due process, and had most of their possessions stolen.

G-block, welcome back to OC, but can you at least consolidate your thoughts into one post for fucks sake?   You're all over the place.

posted by CenterBHSFan

Yeah.

https://twitter.com/coldxman/status/999340207471243265

If a black guy tweets it it must be true? Not sure why u re posted the same link? 

posted by like_that

Civil rights act was passed in 1964.  I think after 54 years it's ok to bring up a meritocracy.  If not, when will you be ok with it?   Apparently for millenial AAs a meritocracy is not enough.  Will it be enough for Gen Z? Do we have to wait for the generatiom below them, or do we have to wait for Gen Z to have kids?

I’ll let u know 

posted by queencitybuckeye

Well, a substantial subset of them were rounded up and placed in prison camps with no due process, and had most of their possessions stolen.

Not worse than slavery 

posted by like_that

G-block, welcome back to OC, but can you at least consolidate your thoughts into one post for fucks sake?   You're all over the place.

Need reps 

posted by like_that

G-block, welcome back to OC, but can you at least consolidate your thoughts into one post for fucks sake?   You're all over the place.

Tldr

posted by like_that

Civil rights act was passed in 1964.  I think after 54 years it's ok to bring up a meritocracy.  If not, when will you be ok with it?   Apparently for millenial AAs a meritocracy is not enough.  Will it be enough for Gen Z? Do we have to wait for the generatiom below them, or do we have to wait for Gen Z to have kids?

The law passed but did it change much? Did prohibition stop drinking?

posted by like_that

G-block, welcome back to OC, but can you at least consolidate your thoughts into one post for fucks sake?   You're all over the place.

U guys had a two year break lol

posted by geeblock

If a black guy tweets it it must be true? Not sure why u re posted the same link? 

My post was self explanatory as it quoted you.