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O-Trap

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Tue, Apr 3, 2018 12:49 AM
posted by like_that

They also waved american flags at that rally (more so than the blue lives matter flag).  Is the american flag now a symbol of white supremacy? 

Given that the incidents that occurred to spark a lot of this have been between police officers and black people, I wouldn't think so.  I'm not sure I've noticed an increase in American flags of late, so it also doesn't really address what I was saying directly.  If a professed Evangelical went on a murderous rampage through the Akron streets, hanging a Christian flag or an ostentatious cross from my porch might be ill-conceived at the time.
 

posted by iclfan2

Wouldn’t the timing be that once liberal America and BLM started attacking the credibility of cops that people started this to support them? It isn’t only blacks who stood against these police officers. I think it’s a result of media portrayal of these shootings now, plus the growing divide in our country.

The growing divide, whatever it actually is, is something that's hard to quantify, so I'd mostly just put a pin in that.  There certainly does seem to be a rising amount of political unrest and angst in the US in recent years, so I'm not doubting it (though I'm not sure it's clean-cut enough to call it a divide).  Just not sure what all it might affect in regard to an individual issue.

However, the notion of not trusting the police in black communities has been around for decades, so it isn't something that has just started, and moreover, there are too many examples of it taking place over the years to dismiss it out-of-hand.

Granted, the levels it reached a couple years ago and last year were particularly bad, but it had been boiling for awhile, so the timing really wasn't instigated by most of those who enabled BLM to become such a large movement, because it was a gradual thing for most of them, dating back to at least the '80s and '90s.  A statistically unlikely percentage of officers involved in these shootings are found faultless, and as they continue to happen, people become less and less trusting of law enforcement.  It reminds me of the movie Hot Fuzz, when the townspeople chalk a rash of deaths up to unlucky circumstances and chance, when the odds of that being true were highly doubtful.

And finally, as above, given that the officers are the "authorities" who are routinely found without fault, those who are victims of the incidents (if not those killed, at least their families, having lost a loved one) can hardly be blamed for feeling a bit raw, and raising a flag in solidarity with the one who ended their loved one's life is, as mentioned before, poorly timed.  Not necessarily wrong, but probably unwise.

 

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

Tue, Apr 3, 2018 12:51 AM
posted by majorspark

That is where it is going.  I read an article where an over a century old statue of President Mckinley was taken down in California based on his belief in Manifest Destiny (which to the left = white supremacy).

Well, Manifest Destiny is a ridiculous notion that does have racial roots, but it wasn't a skin color issue, so making it a skin color issue is like trying to do a paint-by-numbers with a paint roller.

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Tue, Apr 3, 2018 9:35 AM
posted by majorspark

That is where it is going.  I read an article where an over a century old statue of President Mckinley was taken down in California based on his belief in Manifest Destiny (which to the left = white supremacy).

The psychotic left want to take it down but they have to do an environmental impact study first at a cost to taxpayers of $60,000. 

These people are demented to such an extent that there is no hope of recovery.  The sooner we break with California the better.

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

Tue, Apr 3, 2018 11:43 AM
posted by QuakerOats

The psychotic left want to take it down but they have to do an environmental impact study first at a cost to taxpayers of $60,000. 

These people are demented to such an extent that there is no hope of recovery.  The sooner we break with California the better.

Shoot.  You wouldn't even need to dump the whole state.  If you got rid of the Oakland/SF/San Jose area and just lopped off everything south of San Bernadino, you'd end up with a pretty conservative state.

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Tue, Apr 3, 2018 2:13 PM

True; which is why the move to divide the state into 5 or 6 states results in 1 or 2 liberal states, with the rest being relatively conservative. 

justincredible

Honorable Admin

Tue, Apr 3, 2018 4:09 PM

Remember, no one wants to take away your guns...

 

HOF on coattails

Junior Member

Tue, Apr 3, 2018 4:47 PM
posted by justincredible

Remember, no one wants to take away your guns...

 

Nearby Highland Park and a few other cities already have a similar ban.  The areas where the guns are banned have very low crime rates, and also are not Trump supporters.   

Nothing to see here.  Move along.

queencitybuckeye

Senior Member

Tue, Apr 3, 2018 4:56 PM

Fortunately, such local laws are prohibited by state law in Ohio.

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

Tue, Apr 3, 2018 5:12 PM
posted by HOF on coattails

Nearby Highland Park and a few other cities already have a similar ban.  The areas where the guns are banned have very low crime rates, and also are not Trump supporters.   

Nothing to see here.  Move along.

Not sure what relevance the "not Trump supporters" part had, but if there's low crime, why would anyone be scared of all the guns that apparently aren't shooting anybody?

HOF on coattails

Junior Member

Tue, Apr 3, 2018 5:14 PM
posted by O-Trap

Not sure what relevance the "not Trump supporters" part had, but if there's low crime, why would anyone be scared of all the guns that apparently aren't shooting anybody?

No idea why the liberals are so afraid of them. I just know the areas where the bans are, are quite liberal and not Trump supporters.    Seems like the only people who bring up the news is against the ban and also are Trump supporters.  

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

Tue, Apr 3, 2018 5:17 PM
posted by HOF on coattails

No idea why the liberals are so afraid of them. I just know the areas where the bans are, are quite liberal and not Trump supporters.  

Fair enough.  It just puzzles me.  Does seem like a classic case of tyranny of the majority on a small scale, though, doesn't it?  If 90% of the people in this area don't own a particular kind of gun, it wouldn't take much to probably get a majority to take them away from the other 10%, would it?

gut

Senior Member

Tue, Apr 3, 2018 5:22 PM
posted by HOF on coattails

Nearby Highland Park and a few other cities already have a similar ban.  The areas where the guns are banned have very low crime rates

But But But what about all the guns being imported from Indiana? 

It's almost as if gun violence is completely unrelated to gun laws....

HOF on coattails

Junior Member

Tue, Apr 3, 2018 5:26 PM
posted by O-Trap

Fair enough.  It just puzzles me.  Does seem like a classic case of tyranny of the majority on a small scale, though, doesn't it?  If 90% of the people in this area don't own a particular kind of gun, it wouldn't take much to probably get a majority to take them away from the other 10%, would it?

Well, pretty sure the new law states active/retired police officers and active/retired military are exempt.  I very much doubt any of the other tree hugger granola munching artists who live in these areas of Chicago own assault weapons.  Some of them may own handguns for protection but have no interest in playing GI Joe.

Who knows, would be interesting to see how many people are affected.  

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

Tue, Apr 3, 2018 6:31 PM
posted by HOF on coattails

Well, pretty sure the new law states active/retired police officers and active/retired military are exempt.  I very much doubt any of the other tree hugger granola munching artists who live in these areas of Chicago own assault weapons.  Some of them may own handguns for protection but have no interest in playing GI Joe.

Who knows, would be interesting to see how many people are affected.  

Hell, nobody owns "assault weapons."  And I'm betting the only ones who would want to "play GI Joe" might be the ones who already have (military and/or police), but it sounds like they're exempt from the law anyway.

Frankly, I doubt it'll make any difference one way or the other.  I don't exactly have oodles of confidence in the average voter.

Spock

Senior Member

Tue, Apr 3, 2018 7:12 PM

Don't see how anyone can force someone to remove a semi automatic, legally obtained gun.

iclfan2

Reppin' the 330/216/843

Tue, Apr 3, 2018 7:52 PM
posted by justincredible

Remember, no one wants to take away your guns...

 

Come take them. What cop will answer to that?

like_that

1st Team All-PWN

Tue, Apr 3, 2018 8:38 PM
posted by iclfan2

Come take them. What cop will answer to that?

I doubt this holds up in court.   The ban that is.

queencitybuckeye

Senior Member

Tue, Apr 3, 2018 8:43 PM
posted by Spock

Don't see how anyone can force someone to remove a semi automatic, legally obtained gun.

Shows why people are so against registration. It clearly isn't paranoia as the lying "grabbers" try to sell.

 

 

SportsAndLady

Senior Member

Tue, Apr 3, 2018 10:47 PM
posted by queencitybuckeye

Shows why people are so against registration. It clearly isn't paranoia as the lying "grabbers" try to sell.

 

 

Yeah, can't they just see who registered that weapon, and if that person hasn't "turned in" that gun then they will be fined $1,000 a day? 

No way that passes in court. 

Also, LOL @ Said in this thread. Such a dipshit. When will his 90th username (HOF on coattails) be banned? 

majorspark

Senior Member

Wed, Apr 4, 2018 11:54 PM
posted by O-Trap

Well, Manifest Destiny is a ridiculous notion that does have racial roots, but it wasn't a skin color issue, so making it a skin color issue is like trying to do a paint-by-numbers with a paint roller.

The world is governed by the aggressive use of force.  The North American Continent escaped the wars and mass killings and destruction of the 20th century within its borders.  This would not have been the case if the US would have allowed other forces to take root on the Continent.

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

Thu, Apr 5, 2018 1:46 AM
posted by majorspark

The world is governed by the aggressive use of force.  The North American Continent escaped the wars and mass killings and destruction of the 20th century within its borders.  This would not have been the case if the US would have allowed other forces to take root on the Continent.

What does this have to do with Manifest Destiny?

Also, "the world" isn't (and oughtn't be) governed at all.  It's a bunch of nation states which are, at least in theory, sovereign.

Spock

Senior Member

Thu, Apr 5, 2018 8:52 AM
posted by O-Trap

What does this have to do with Manifest Destiny?

Also, "the world" isn't (and oughtn't be) governed at all.  It's a bunch of nation states which are, at least in theory, sovereign.

the act of governing is inherently a process to which humans have evolved over millions of years.  It must have been an essential part of survival a long time ago.  

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

Thu, Apr 5, 2018 11:20 AM
posted by Spock

the act of governing is inherently a process to which humans have evolved over millions of years.  It must have been an essential part of survival a long time ago.  

The trend toward governance and away from individual liberty is an evolutionarily advantageous one.  Is that what you're implying?

Because by that logic, eating Tide Pods and snorting condoms is an evolved form of entertainment for young people, and all the "PC crap" that everyone hates so much is an evolved form of interaction.