posted by QuakerOats

It is not forcing them to do anything.  The tax break expired; Delta probably wants it to be revisited; GA under no commitment to do anything.  

That's an interesting spin.

It's dumb because it's attaching political strings fiscal/economic policy.  It happens, but nothing so blatant as a quid pro quo between from a company in exchange for economics benefits

You'd be completely off your rocker if this was happening with, say, Planned Parenthood.

There is nothing wrong with siding with those who support the 2nd amendment.  You act as though it is somehow subversive.  

Politicians control state tax policy; they also have the authority to make their beliefs known. 

posted by QuakerOats

There is nothing wrong with siding with those who support the 2nd amendment.  You act as though it is somehow subversive.  

Politicians control state tax policy; they also have the authority to make their beliefs known. 

It is blatant crony capitalism.  If you are a true conservative, you shouldn't be a fan of it.

posted by like_that

It is blatant crony capitalism.  If you are a true conservative, you shouldn't be a fan of it.

Exactly.  But like a true politard he doesn't care when he agrees with it.

I applaud the hilarious concept that "siding with those who support the 2nd amendment" = "making sure they get their flight discounts and other frivolous perks of membership". Talk about being entitled...

The tax giveaway was crony capitalism .............it is republican state senator Williams, among others, who are calling for its end. 

posted by superman

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/02/26/msnbc-host-handgun-bullets-are-ineffective-in-stopping-school-shooters-because-t-n2453904

MSDNC host says that handgun bullets are not fast enough to be effective against school shooters.  Why does anyone take these idiots seriously.  

They think we're living in The Matrix, or something. This is the most laughable argument against "assault rifles" I think I've seen.

posted by justincredible

They think we're living in The Matrix, or something. This is the most laughable argument against "assault rifles" I think I've seen.

I think you have a lot of Ron Burgundy's doing cable news.

And when you try to make every angle of a story sensational and alarming, then you get stupid shit like that.

Reading through the comments on Feinstein's twitter. Anyone that says "no one wants to take your guns" is so full of shit it's unbelievable. These people would GLADLY have fellow citizens murdered by the State for the simple act of owning a scary rifle. Yet gun owners are the violent ones.

It has just been proven yet again that even with the BIGGEST government ever, shootings such as this cannot be prevented by the BIGGEST government, which should logically mean that improving our self defenses is tantamount. Yet the left wants even BIGGER government, confiscation of firearms which provide for self defense, and vilification of an organization that had NOTHING to do with the shooting. 

The denial of reality and incredibly irrational positions on the left are mighty disturbing. 

posted by QuakerOats

It has just been proven yet again that even with the BIGGEST government ever, shootings such as this cannot be prevented by the BIGGEST government, which should logically mean that improving our self defenses is tantamount. Yet the left wants even BIGGER government, confiscation of firearms which provide for self defense, and vilification of an organization that had NOTHING to do with the shooting. 

The denial of reality and incredibly irrational positions on the left are mighty disturbing. 

 

 

 

Of course this happens much less (if at all) in a whole host of rich countries with bigger governments than ours but don't let that stop your inspiring and persuasive rant! 

posted by justincredible

Reading through the comments on Feinstein's twitter. Anyone that says "no one wants to take your guns" is so full of shit it's unbelievable. These people would GLADLY have fellow citizens murdered by the State for the simple act of owning a scary rifle. Yet gun owners are the violent ones.

I agree there are leftists that want to take your guns. Personally think that momentum is swinging there way and will continue to do so when there are no piecemeal solutions to gun violence - sort of like how major economic crises lead peoples to turn to socialist governments. 

And personally that is why I believe we should try some kind of firearm regulatory reform with the gun industry getting on board. 

posted by BoatShoes

I agree there are leftists that want to take your guns. Personally think that momentum is swinging there way and will continue to do so when there are no piecemeal solutions to gun violence - sort of like how major economic crises lead peoples to turn to socialist governments. 

 

And personally that is why I believe we should try some kind of firearm regulatory reform with the gun industry getting on board. 

Good luck.  It won't happen in our lifetime. 

Lol In 2018 there are kids who are offended when you point out FACTUAL points about differences in gender. Not sure how you could fail as a parent more than to raise a kid like that. 

https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/968598900385964039?s=12

posted by BoatShoes

Of course this happens much less (if at all) in a whole host of rich countries with bigger governments than ours but don't let that stop your inspiring and persuasive rant! 

Except our government is the biggest.  

Carry on...

posted by QuakerOats

Oakland mayor tips off illegals of pending ICE raids.  

 

Should make her a good candidate for a cell block. 

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/02/28/ice-director-800-criminal-aliens-unable-be-located-after-oakland-mayors-warning

The mayor had better hope that those who escaped because she tipped them off do not come back around and harm innocent civilians, especially children;  The blood is on her hands.  What a despicable, lawless move.  How she is not already removed from office is a mystery. 

posted by like_that

Good luck.  It won't happen in our lifetime. 

We'll see - if millennials and younger voters start to make the prospect of firearm prohibition more of a political force maybe we'll have a shot at preventing it with other reforms. 

posted by BoatShoes

We'll see - if millennials and younger voters start to make the prospect of firearm prohibition more of a political force maybe we'll have a shot at preventing it with other reforms. 

Generation Z is super conservative.  FYI

posted by BoatShoes

We'll see - if millennials and younger voters start to make the prospect of firearm prohibition more of a political force maybe we'll have a shot at preventing it with other reforms. 

I don't think young people actually are what you see on tv or in the news. I also think Independents lean more towards agreeing with gun ownership, so as much hoopla as the morons on twitter get, I don't think it is as big of a movement as it seems. 

Just one article, there are obviously a ton saying both they are more or less liberal on gun control.

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/24/588069946/millennials-are-no-more-liberal-on-gun-control-than-elders-polls-show

I still don't really get it though. There are less than 400 people killed with a rifle per year. It is nowhere near the epidemic everyone is making it out to be.

posted by iclfan2

I still don't really get it though. There are less than 400 people killed with a rifle per year. It is nowhere near the epidemic everyone is making it out to be.

It's the politicization of "shit happens" for votes.  There's, what, 30k people killed each year in auto accidents (1/3 in alcohol related accidents)?  11k gun-related homicides.  3500 unintentional drownings.

But move heaven and earth to prevent a few hundred deaths in mass shootings?  And banning gun, in a country with 300M+, isn't stopping these people (even if they somehow can't get a gun). 

Gun control as a solution is like banning cars, or bars, to prevent drunk driving deaths - which I think to 99.9% of people would be intuitively a stupid idea.

posted by superman

Generation Z is super conservative.  FYI

Funny you would say that like it is some undeniable fact. I've seen reports that surveys have found Generation Z more conservative on social issues than Millennials and Gen X. That doesn't mean "Super Conservative" or even nearly as conservative as Baby Boomers. 

Also kind of funny to think that Generation Z will be the great conservative hope for America when they are the ones spouting intersectional gender binary blah blah and coming out as trans in high school etc., etc., and doing all the other socially librul stuff that sends conservatives into shock. 

My hunch is Generation Z follows the generations that came before it and winds up more librul generally on social matters. 

Hmmmm.....it's almost as if a socially liberal, fiscally conservative party could do really well.  Too bad the Libertarians can't get any money or media coverage!  Almost as if the two parties and their propaganda arms collude to keep them from gaining momentum.

posted by iclfan2

I don't think young people actually are what you see on tv or in the news. I also think Independents lean more towards agreeing with gun ownership, so as much hoopla as the morons on twitter get, I don't think it is as big of a movement as it seems. 

Just one article, there are obviously a ton saying both they are more or less liberal on gun control.

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/24/588069946/millennials-are-no-more-liberal-on-gun-control-than-elders-polls-show

I still don't really get it though. There are less than 400 people killed with a rifle per year. It is nowhere near the epidemic everyone is making it out to be.

My sense is that it's not about pure numbers but that high profile killings by firearm shock the public consciousness and it is things like that that can cause political action. For example, Happy Hour was outlawed in Massachusetts in 1984 because a 20 year old died in a drunk driving accident. 

What has always stopped it is the small group of very mobilized and engaged firearm rights proponents who are much more passionate than the voters who might favor more firearm prohibitions. 

These kids worry me as someone who would like to keep a world where I can buy an AR-15 under the right regulatory scheme because it seems their fervent passion for firearm prohibition finally matches the passion of firearms rights proponents. 

posted by gut

Hmmmm.....it's almost as if a socially liberal, fiscally conservative party could do really well.  Too bad the Libertarians can't get any money or media coverage!  Almost as if the two parties and their propaganda arms collude to keep them from gaining momentum.

And that sort of "compromise party" would help clear out the trash who should be irrelevant like the bible-thumping conservative and the Bernie-esque liberal that thinks we should have an unlimited pool of money to give to all the poors.

posted by BoatShoes

Funny you would say that like it is some undeniable fact. I've seen reports that surveys have found Generation Z more conservative on social issues than Millennials and Gen X. That doesn't mean "Super Conservative" or even nearly as conservative as Baby Boomers. 

Also kind of funny to think that Generation Z will be the great conservative hope for America when they are the ones spouting intersectional gender binary blah blah and coming out as trans in high school etc., etc., and doing all the other socially librul stuff that sends conservatives into shock. 

My hunch is Generation Z follows the generations that came before it and winds up more librul generally on social matters. 

Funny you should spout off without knowledge.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3790614/They-don-t-like-drugs-gay-marriage-HATE-tattoos-Generation-Z-conservative-WW2.html

Most socially conservative generation since WW2