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gut

Senior Member

Tue, Oct 2, 2018 9:30 AM
posted by CenterBHSFan

 The republicans can thank themselves for this because they drew up the blueprints.

Many people say the blueprint started with Democrats and Robert Bork.

like_that

1st Team All-PWN

Tue, Oct 2, 2018 9:48 AM
posted by iclfan2

They keep pretending he said he didn't drink a lot, which is categorically not true. They also don't know the difference between blacking out or passing out. I'm just waiting for them to claim a week wasn't long enough, even though it was their own idea. Swetnick looked like a complete moron. Hope McConnel finally sticks to his guns and they vote on Friday. Flake can then vote yes and not be afraid of his dem friends.

Waiting?  They already did this in less tahn 24 hours from the annoucement of the investigation

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Tue, Oct 2, 2018 11:33 AM
posted by like_that

FUCK that. If @jack keeps it up, be patient, because I could see a competitor for Twitter in the future. 

 

Yep, not many envisioned Fox News or the plethora of other middle-of-the-road media outlets coming to the fore over the last 20 years, after the major media abdicated their duty and went off on their liberal promotion tour.

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Tue, Oct 2, 2018 11:35 AM
posted by like_that

Also I see we have moved from rape allegations to throwing ice at a bar fight allegations.  You can't make this shit up. 

 

He threw ice cubes; he should have to sit in the corner for at least 30 minutes.

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

Tue, Oct 2, 2018 12:30 PM
posted by QuakerOats

[...] Fox News or the plethora of other middle-of-the-road media outlets [...]

My bolding, obviously.

Look, you'll hear no disagreement from me with regard to how biased and partisan the outlets like CNN and MSNBC have gotten.  They're garbage.

But let's not pretend that Fox News is anywhere near the middle of the road.  It's the counterbalance to the above outlets on the opposite end, for better or worse.
 

posted by QuakerOats

He threw ice cubes; he should have to sit in the corner for at least 30 minutes.

lol!

 

gut

Senior Member

Tue, Oct 2, 2018 12:45 PM
posted by O-Trap

But let's not pretend that Fox News is anywhere near the middle of the road.  It's the counterbalance to the above outlets on the opposite end, for better or worse.

Ehhh, depends on how one judges Fox News.  If you base it off Hannity or that clown that replaced O'Reilly, it's really bad.  Bolling would have been good if he hadn't gotten fired.

If you watch their straight journalists like Baier, Shepard Smith, Cavuto or Chris Wallace....those guys are about as good as anyone out there. 

iclfan2

Reppin' the 330/216/843

Tue, Oct 2, 2018 1:47 PM

So today, white poweder sent to Pentagon and Ted Cruz office, Maryland rep hurts his hand after lefty loons try to push through. But tell me more about the rights' violent rhetoric that results in so many problems. Left forgets about the Bernie Bro and Scalise pretty quickly. 

like_that

1st Team All-PWN

Tue, Oct 2, 2018 1:52 PM
posted by iclfan2

So today, white poweder sent to Pentagon and Ted Cruz office, Maryland rep hurts his hand after lefty loons try to push through. But tell me more about the rights' violent rhetoric that results in so many problems. Left forgets about the Bernie Bro and Scalise pretty quickly. 

Inb4 Boogie comes in to tell you it's goes both ways.

gut

Senior Member

Tue, Oct 2, 2018 1:59 PM

If RBG kicks the bucket, we might have damn near a civil war over that SCOTUS pick. 

And Breyer is 80, so the Dems are sweating.  If Dems take the WH and Senate in 2020, expect both of them to retire.

like_that

1st Team All-PWN

Tue, Oct 2, 2018 2:08 PM
posted by gut

If RBG kicks the bucket, we might have damn near a civil war over that SCOTUS pick. 

And Breyer is 80, so the Dems are sweating.  If Dems take the WH and Senate in 2020, expect both of them to retire.

Yeah, no shit.  I could also see Clarence retiring for Trump to replace him.

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Tue, Oct 2, 2018 2:22 PM
posted by O-Trap


But let's not pretend that Fox News is anywhere near the middle of the road.  It's the counterbalance to the above outlets on the opposite end, for better or worse.
 

 

 

I wrote it just for you.

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Tue, Oct 2, 2018 2:30 PM

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6213817/DC-restaurant-gets-DEATH-THREATS-mob-anti-Kavanaugh-protesters-confronted-Ted-Cruz.html

https://www.newsweek.com/brett-kavanaugh-ted-cruz-fiola-pennsylvania-avenue-washington-dc-texas-1142171

 

Threats not only against elected officials but restaurant owners and employees as well.  What a loving, tolerant group of diverse individuals on the left.  And then today we have  white powdery substances showing up in Cruz’s office in TX.

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

Tue, Oct 2, 2018 3:00 PM
posted by gut

Ehhh, depends on how one judges Fox News.  If you base it off Hannity or that clown that replaced O'Reilly, it's really bad.  Bolling would have been good if he hadn't gotten fired.

If you watch their straight journalists like Baier, Shepard Smith, Cavuto or Chris Wallace....those guys are about as good as anyone out there. 

Well, you get that sort of thing on most stations.  The strictly-news segments are usually not awful (with some outlier stories among all of them, I'm sure).  It's the perspective pieces that parade themselves as journalism that provide the weight for heavy slants.

As for Bolling, if I recall correctly, he's a birther, isn't he?

All in all, if you compare Fox's standard news shows to the talking heads at the others (Rachel Maddow, I'm looking at you), naturally it's going to look better.  But if you compare CNN's standard news shows with the Megyn Kelly or Hannity, you're going to get the reverse.

like_that

1st Team All-PWN

Tue, Oct 2, 2018 3:07 PM
posted by O-Trap

My bolding, obviously.

Look, you'll hear no disagreement from me with regard to how biased and partisan the outlets like CNN and MSNBC have gotten.  They're garbage.

But let's not pretend that Fox News is anywhere near the middle of the road.  It's the counterbalance to the above outlets on the opposite end, for better or worse.
 

posted by QuakerOats

He threw ice cubes; he should have to sit in the corner for at least 30 minutes.

lol!

 

I agree with the bolded, however his main point still stands.  Fox News is a byproduct of the biased MSM. 

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

Tue, Oct 2, 2018 3:53 PM
posted by like_that

I agree with the bolded, however his main point still stands.  Fox News is a byproduct of the biased MSM. 

I think most of the media outlets are a result of the ever-polarized voting public, motivated by the politicians that have become so extreme in their condemnation of anything that isn't aligned with their own position(s).

gut

Senior Member

Tue, Oct 2, 2018 3:55 PM
posted by O-Trap

As for Bolling, if I recall correctly, he's a birther, isn't he?

I don't know.  I wouldn't think so because he was normally a pretty level-headed libertarian type.

 

Anyway, NYT reporting on Trump tax schemes, going back to his parents when he was 3 years old.  They apparently are accusing him of fraud.  This is what I always expected to come of the Mueller investigation, although tax charges are defensible and a far cry from what I expected to be illegal dealings with the mobs and bribes in foreign countries.

For the uber-rich, tax shelters are usually employed with the aid of IRS tax opinions/guidance and set-up by sophisticated tax attorneys.  The IRS on occasion rules against these (a.k.a "closes loopholes"), and levies penalties and fines.  Very rarely does jail time result, and the taxpayer has ultimate responsibility but you can certainly hide behind following the advice of counsel.

Long story short, this is most likely not "fraud" or "conspiracy" or "evasion" or whatever other scandalous characterization NYT is using....but it will kick-off another giant shit storm of a debate.  We'd have to see what this story is all about, but I'm not sure it would be impeachable.  IMO, dealing with the mobs and foreign bribes IS impeachable (not saying that's the accusation, just that I'm certain Trump is guilty of it), but tax shelters employed by many of the super rich not so much.

CenterBHSFan

333 - I'm only half evil

Tue, Oct 2, 2018 4:44 PM
posted by gut

I don't know.  I wouldn't think so because he was normally a pretty level-headed libertarian type.

 

Anyway, NYT reporting on Trump tax schemes, going back to his parents when he was 3 years old.  They apparently are accusing him of fraud.  This is what I always expected to come of the Mueller investigation, although tax charges are defensible and a far cry from what I expected to be illegal dealings with the mobs and bribes in foreign countries.

For the uber-rich, tax shelters are usually employed with the aid of IRS tax opinions/guidance and set-up by sophisticated tax attorneys.  The IRS on occasion rules against these (a.k.a "closes loopholes"), and levies penalties and fines.  Very rarely does jail time result, and the taxpayer has ultimate responsibility but you can certainly hide behind following the advice of counsel.

Long story short, this is most likely not "fraud" or "conspiracy" or "evasion" or whatever other scandalous characterization NYT is using....but it will kick-off another giant shit storm of a debate.  We'd have to see what this story is all about, but I'm not sure it would be impeachable.  IMO, dealing with the mobs and foreign bribes IS impeachable (not saying that's the accusation, just that I'm certain Trump is guilty of it), but tax shelters employed by many of the super rich not so much.

Just to clarify, you think Trump IS guilty of collusion (being a puppet of Russia, perhaps)?

like_that

1st Team All-PWN

Tue, Oct 2, 2018 4:53 PM
posted by O-Trap

I think most of the media outlets are a result of the ever-polarized voting public, motivated by the politicians that have become so extreme in their condemnation of anything that isn't aligned with their own position(s).

Cool, that still doesn't change his point...

Spock

Senior Member

Tue, Oct 2, 2018 6:42 PM

Funny how CNN has Kavenaugh story at #5 on website.  And that is about his friend getting in a bar fight.

 

 

Spock

Senior Member

Tue, Oct 2, 2018 7:22 PM
posted by like_that

Yeah, no shit.  I could also see Clarence retiring for Trump to replace him.

That would be awesome

Spock

Senior Member

Tue, Oct 2, 2018 7:29 PM

Funny how every news anchor is a tax code hawk

CenterBHSFan

333 - I'm only half evil

Wed, Oct 3, 2018 6:21 AM

So, apparently, Dr. Ford's ex boyfriend of 6 years has come forward and made some claims that contradict Dr. Fords such as in 6 years she never mentioned a fear of flying and living in a small apartment without a need for another entryway door. 

I'm divided on this guy, too. On one hand he sounds like a vengeful ex and on the other hand his name is redacted which makes me believe he doesn't want his 15 minutes of fame like most of the Kavanaugh accusers.

CenterBHSFan

333 - I'm only half evil

Wed, Oct 3, 2018 6:54 AM

Also just heard a snippet of Trump (I guess at some pep rally) mocking Dr. Ford. It was pretty savage and I thought it was funny. But besides that, I'm not very appreciative of Trump singling out somebody and publicly tearing them down in that manner. It's extremely unbecoming.

iclfan2

Reppin' the 330/216/843

Wed, Oct 3, 2018 8:14 AM

Ford’s story falling apart: FBI should be done today. Trump Is dumb, but his points are the same ones we have been discussing. Just not the time or place for it. Flake seems to be a douche again and seems to be laying a foundation about why he might not vote to confirm (partisanship the most recent fake reason). Friday will be interesting 

CenterBHSFan

333 - I'm only half evil

Wed, Oct 3, 2018 8:28 AM
posted by iclfan2

Ford’s story falling apart: FBI should be done today. Trump Is dumb, but his points are the same ones we have been discussing. Just not the time or place for it. Flake seems to be a douche again and seems to be laying a foundation about why he might not vote to confirm (partisanship the most recent fake reason). Friday will be interesting 

Well it's not just a time or place issue, it is who is saying them issue for me. Leave those types of comments, while funny, to comedians. I really cannot approve of a President popping off like that. I have rigorously criticized Obama for saying much less. It's just bad precedent/policy. I do realize, however,  that it is Trump and cannot expect anything better.