posted by gut

 

My brain is fine, but you clearly suffer from TDS.  Thanks for proving the point, again.

And I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about Russia collusion?  Neither of the above has anything to do with that, or even much to do with Trump.  Cohen was his fixer, but the initial indictment was over Cohen's private business dealings.

Cohen has claimed Trump ordered him to commit a campaign finance violation, but like I said we haven't seen any evidence of that.  If Mueller wanted to make a deal with Cohen, he doesn't kick that to the state court.  That's why Cohen is publicly begging for a deal.  I have no idea how it would work for Mueller to now come in and offer a deal in a case he has no jurisdiction over.

Now it IS interesting with the latest news about NY AG's investigation into the Trump charity.  Cohen probably has dirt there, and I'm sure that charity is far from squeaky clean.  But, again, NY not federal and not Mueller.  And this just broke today, although we've heard about the charity in the past.

The state charges are a backup plan to prevent Cohen from taking a federal trump Pardon. It would kill a key witness in the collusion investigation and there would be no deal for Cohen if it had to go to state court. The case is blown without Cohen & Manifort flipping just like the Gotti trial would have been blown if Mueller hadn't gotten Sammy the Bull Gravano to flip.

The theory is that Cohen coordinated the payments to the Russians on behalf of Trump. The Russians then used or provided the hacked DNC data e.g. voter turnout models for the benefit of the Trump campaign as outlined in the earlier indictment of the hackers. That data & using targeted social media through facebook was enough to flip the 3 swing states by a couple thousand votes.

I think it will come down to ultimately whether Mueller & co. can prove Trump & co. knew these hackers they paid were working on behalf of the Russian government. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Why the fuck is Trump tweeting about a Tucker Carlson segment about South Africa? 

I'm actually kind of impressed he was able to watch Tucker Carlson.  That's like a super power....

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Why the fuck is Trump tweeting about a Tucker Carlson segment about South Africa? 

It rose to the level where the government of South Africa had to issue a statement saying, ""South Africa totally rejects this narrow perception which only seeks to divide our nation and reminds us of our colonial past."

I'm not sure what exactly they mean by that? It's been known for some time that the government has been seizing land from white land owners because of the disparity between whites/blacks and who owns the majority of the land. There are several documentaries about this already. 

So again, what are they rejecting, exactly? That it's being reported, documented, etc.?

posted by CenterBHSFan

I'm not sure what exactly they mean by that? It's been known for some time that the government has been seizing land from white land owners because of the disparity between whites/blacks and who owns the majority of the land. There are several documentaries about this already. 

So again, what are they rejecting, exactly? That it's being reported, documented, etc.?

Trump tweeted some white nationalist talking points. There is no evidence of widespread killing of white farmers. I do however find the humor I a guy who has talked about manifest destiny and white people in general who stole land now speaking out against the very same thing 

posted by geeblock

Trump tweeted some white nationalist talking points. There is no evidence of widespread killing of white farmers. I do however find the humor I a guy who has talked about manifest destiny and white people in general who stole land now speaking out against the very same thing 

Well, there has been some killing of white farmers, but it hasn't reached the level of genocide yet. The SA government has even said it. In fact, I think their exact words were "for now". 

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.za/2018/06/12/malema-we-have-not-called-for-the-killing-of-white-people-at-least-for-now_a_23456601/

I'm saying to you, we've not called for the killing of white people, at least for now. I can't guarantee the future.

Trump isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed. Everybody knows this... or should know this I should say. I don't think it was very intelligent of him to be tweeting this stuff because it's going to be nothing but inflammatory for the left and the right.  But I also don't think that the SA needs to be rejecting anything. There hasn't been a genocide yet, but theft of farms by the state is still occurring. They were also purposely vague about separating between the two and we should keep that in mind.

posted by CenterBHSFan

Well, there has been some killing of white farmers, but it hasn't reached the level of genocide yet. The SA government has even said it. In fact, I think their exact words were "for now". 

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.za/2018/06/12/malema-we-have-not-called-for-the-killing-of-white-people-at-least-for-now_a_23456601/

I'm saying to you, we've not called for the killing of white people, at least for now. I can't guarantee the future.

Trump isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed. Everybody knows this... or should know this I should say. I don't think it was very intelligent of him to be tweeting this stuff because it's going to be nothing but inflammatory for the left and the right.  But I also don't think that the SA needs to be rejecting anything. There hasn't been a genocide yet, but theft of farms by the state is still occurring. They were also purposely vague about separating between the two and we should keep that in mind.

 

I think the height of killing farmers peaked in early 2000s by any estimates it’s not genocide. As far as the stealing of farms and land, that happened a long time ago. This is more like giving some back. 10% of the population owned 90% of the  land during apartheid. 

posted by iclfan2

Lol wut?

There has been no large scale killing of farmers. This is a white nationalist talking point going around. What is hard to comprehend ?

I deleted my post because I was going to respond more. Genocide term is a joke. But they clearly are planning to take land. And you seem to be ok with that.

And even though the violence and murders are lower they are still occurring. You fuckin hate Trump and I get it, but condoning violence against white Farmers is absurd.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/27/murders-of-farmers-in-south-africa-at-20-year-low-research-shows

posted by iclfan2

I deleted my post because I was going to respond more. Genocide term is a joke. But they clearly are planning to take land. And you seem to be ok with that.

I was explaining the post I’m not getting sidetracked. You can feel however you want about it. I’ve learned from too many debates in here. My comment was simply that there are no large scale killings You seem to be cool with the fact the president is lying.

posted by iclfan2

I deleted my post because I was going to respond more. Genocide term is a joke. But they clearly are planning to take land. And you seem to be ok with that.

Dog eat dog world, bruh; besides, that's how we got our land in this country. And exactly why do we need to GAF about what's happening in South Africa? Shouldn't they be about 100000000000000000000th or so on our list of priorities? Playing world policeman to right all the wrongs in other peoples' places doesn't accomplish much besides wasting shit-tons of money.

If you want to go down the South Africa rabbit hole start a new thread and maybe I’ll jump in when I get time 

posted by iclfan2

I deleted my post because I was going to respond more. Genocide term is a joke. But they clearly are planning to take land. And you seem to be ok with that.

And even though the violence and murders are lower they are still occurring. You fuckin hate Trump and I get it, but condoning violence against white Farmers is absurd.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/27/murders-of-farmers-in-south-africa-at-20-year-low-research-shows

I didn’t condone it at all. My point is still wholly accurate. You actually don’t get it. I was actually like cool when trump was mentioned. I have been for years asking for like Marc Cuban, Steve jobs, bill gates, etc.. then he went crazy with the borderline racist stuff. Aka “the blacks love me” saying “the blacks” is code to me and I took it personally. Then he says “ I have to research David duke before I make any judgments” again touching my soul. I could go on. To someone who didn’t grow up with my perspective those might b innocuous to you but it spil volumes to me. This is just another in a long line of making comments that push the borderline racist agenda and I don’t think it’s on accident. That’s my opinion I don’t doubt others can’t see that and that is fine 

U want players to stand for a flag that the president tweets this? Shameful imo he has bigger pro

posted by Heretic

Dog eat dog world, bruh; besides, that's how we got our land in this country. And exactly why do we need to GAF about what's happening in South Africa? Shouldn't they be about 100000000000000000000th or so on our list of priorities? Playing world policeman to right all the wrongs in other peoples' places doesn't accomplish much besides wasting shit-tons of money.

I don’t think we should be in South Africa at all, or ever. They can turn it into Haiti for all I care. I’m much more on the isolationism front than the other. I was simply saying that they are taking farms and killing some farmers. 

posted by iclfan2

I don’t think we should be in South Africa at all, or ever. They can turn it into Haiti for all I care. I’m much more on the isolationism front than the other. I was simply saying that they are taking farms and killing some farmers. 

Definitely not a first lol 

posted by geeblock

I think the height of killing farmers peaked in early 2000s by any estimates it’s not genocide. As far as the stealing of farms and land, that happened a long time ago. This is more like giving some back. 10% of the population owned 90% of the  land during apartheid. 

1.) Farmers getting their land taken by the government happened a long time ago and is happening now.

2.) "Giving some back"? Please explain.

Also, the SA government is saying that they are not killing "for now". That's irrefutable. You cannot deny it. Is it a genocide right now? No.

posted by Heretic

 And exactly why do we need to GAF about what's happening in South Africa? Shouldn't they be about 100000000000000000000th or so on our list of priorities? Playing world policeman to right all the wrongs in other peoples' places doesn't accomplish much besides wasting shit-tons of money.

- we really shouldn't 

- yes

- correct

Apartheid? Currently 80% of the population owns 4% of the land. I’m not entertaining this. They also stole the land. If u put my great grandfathers Super Bowl ring on eBay and it was your great grandfather who took it. Should I get it back or you keep it because you didn’t steal it and you are the current owner. I really don’t know the answer here and my thoughts on this aren’t complete. It’s not a great area of knowledge for me but that is my initial feeling. Tell me why I’m wrong I will hear it 

I guess I'm just not looking at it from a personal and emotional lens because I don't know anybody over there in SA. And while it's not right for anybody to be murdered and/or have their land stolen in SA, I'm more concerned with people getting murdered in the US. This is why it was jackassery for Trump to even tweet about it. He need to stick to what is already on his plate, IMO.

Maybe trump thinks South America is Alabama, Louisiana and Texas

posted by Spock

Maybe trump thinks South America is Alabama, Louisiana and Texas

wut

Got to hand it to President Trump. Guy is a master of getting the shit he throws at the wall to stick. We and the talking heads are talking about South Africa & not the mysterious payments Cohen made for media & internet services on behalf of the Trump campaign & approved but Trump organization "executives". 

I think it was Steve Bannon who said they were going to crack Don Jr. like an egg for the "treasonous" Russia meeting (his words not mine). Wait until Cohen testifies that he approved the Russian Hacker payments. 

I'm ready to jump to the part where we get to hear that the treason was justified to own the libs, save us from Hillary, Save Western Civilization, enact tax reform and ensure the Courts are packed with Conservatives for a generation! 

posted by BoatShoes

Got to hand it to President Trump. Guy is a master of getting the shit he throws at the wall to stick. We and the talking heads are talking about South Africa & not the mysterious payments Cohen made for media & internet services on behalf of the Trump campaign & approved but Trump organization "executives". 

I think it was Steve Bannon who said they were going to crack Don Jr. like an egg for the "treasonous" Russia meeting (his words not mine). Wait until Cohen testifies that he approved the Russian Hacker payments. 

I'm ready to jump to the part where we get to hear that the treason was justified to own the libs, save us from Hillary, Save Western Civilization, enact tax reform and ensure the Courts are packed with Conservatives for a generation! 

That dude has been in the mud all his life.  It is not surprising.  I am 100% fine with the bolded though, especially considering the left loves to legislate thru the courts. 

posted by like_that

That dude has been in the mud all his life.  It is not surprising.  I am 100% fine with the bolded though, especially considering the left loves to legislate thru the courts. 

Yup. Now he just needs to get Kavanaugh through and add some judges to the 9th District courts.