posted by ptown_trojans_1

While she did win the popular vote, she got crushed in those swing states of PA, WI, OH, and MI, which is really what I was referred to. In those states, Biden is doing better polling wise than she did. That all can change, but Trump is not getting any rally around the flag bump yet. His polling and favorable rating is still in the same ballpark as before all this craziness.  

I do see your point on any debate between Trump and Biden, Biden is more likely to look bad and stumble more than Trump. 

My overall point is I think people just like Biden more than Clinton. They also relate to him more than they did Clinton in those swing states. That may make the difference in November. 

I wouldn't say she got crushed.  I mean, she got swept in those states of course (and FL as well), but Trump's wins in PA, WI, MI, and FL were all by 1.2% or less, so it's not like she got trounced in those states.

Granted, his wins in Iowa and Ohio were convincing, so that's fair.

You may be right about Biden, but combining his occasional inanity with the growing sentiment (oddly seeming to be from Louies) that he shows some predatory behavior is part of why I think he'll end up fairing worse.

Up to this point, he hasn't really had to go out and own the primary.  It's seemed like he mostly just needed to shut up and keep from saying or doing anything to torpedo his chances against a self-professed Democratic Socialist and a career politician with a personality so many people seem to hate who lied about her minority heritage for a little extra help in college (for better or worse, that still seems to be top-of-mind for many).

In the general election, though, the spotlight is going to be on him and only him on the DNC side, and I think it's going to hurt his chances.  I think there's going to be a fair bit of buyer's remorse on him as the nominee.  In fact, I think there's some already, but I'm betting that will grow.

posted by like_that

Unless Biden is pulling the ultimate hustle on Trump.  If so, he deserves to win. 

If so, 

posted by like_that

Unless Biden is pulling the ultimate hustle on Trump.  If so, he deserves to win. 

posted by like_that

It's actually legitimately uncomfortable watching Biden trying to speak right now.   You know how when we are all drunj and we think we sound fine, but in reality nobody knows wtf we are saying?  That's Biden right now. 

Pretty much.  It's not all the time, though.  He'll seemingly have mostly moments of semi-clarity, and then, without any real warning, it'll seem like he's having a stroke in the middle of talking.

posted by O-Trap

 

posted by like_that

It's actually legitimately uncomfortable watching Biden trying to speak right now.   You know how when we are all drunj and we think we sound fine, but in reality nobody knows wtf we are saying?  That's Biden right now. 

Pretty much.  It's not all the time, though.  He'll seemingly have mostly moments of semi-clarity, and then, without any real warning, it'll seem like he's having a stroke in the middle of talking.

posted by justincredible

I remember a while back Trump questioning whether he would even participate in the debates. He's probably looking forward to sharing the stage with Biden. He'll eat his lunch.

In theory, assuming he can remember how to do more than make up a stupid nickname, followed by a combination of incessant bragging about stuff that may or may not be true AND whining about how unfairly he's been treated. He SHOULD be able to do more than that, but after that being the majority of his speeches for 3+ years, who knows if that's his new ceiling or if he's still capable of raising his game.

posted by Heretic

In theory, assuming he can remember how to do more than make up a stupid nickname, followed by a combination of incessant bragging about stuff that may or may not be true AND whining about how unfairly he's been treated. He SHOULD be able to do more than that, but after that being the majority of his speeches for 3+ years, who knows if that's his new ceiling or if he's still capable of raising his game.

You do know he's number 1 on Facebook right now, don't you?

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Whatever.  You know full well that until early March, Trump said the virus was another flu and was totally under control.  He's not alone in this, but don't try to act like establishing a task force is equal to him even acknowledging the problem.  There are task forces for everything.  As we can see, the task force for this didn't result in anything.

 

You've followed the right wing media personality playbook on this thing to a tee.  

Blame some Chinese lab

Compare it to colds and flu

Blame the media and democrats

Pivot 180 and embrace Trump's current status of taking it seriously and denying you or he had ever done anything but that.

 

Think for yourself for a change.  Trying to mimic all of Trump's crazy ass antics and make it look like it's all part of a logical plan isn't working.

LOL

Looks like Bernie is officially dropping out. 

So, now we are offically down to Trump v. Biden. 

posted by justincredible

I remember a while back Trump questioning whether he would even participate in the debates. He's probably looking forward to sharing the stage with Biden. He'll eat his lunch.

Dems are desperately Biden does not have to speak publicly in any way, shape, or form.  The longer covid19 lingers, the better his chance, which is incredibly sad.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Looks like Bernie is officially dropping out. 

So, now we are offically down to Trump v. Biden. 

No point in Bernie continuing; covid19 is bringing 35% unemployment instead of Bernie doing it.

Sums up Bernie's two presidential campaigns in a nutshell.  Good riddance to that loser.

https://twitter.com/beinlibertarian/status/1247916073908830209?s=20

posted by Automatik

 

Keep bowing down. LOL

Covid19 deaths may not even reach flu season deaths, despite covid sometimes being listed as cause of death even though underlying health conditions may be the cause of death.  Obviously, it is still much too early to call.  One thing is for sure: fuck China.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Looks like Bernie is officially dropping out.

I wonder how much he got paid this time?  Maybe they promised him the first dose of the vaccine.

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

Covid19 deaths may not even reach flu season deaths, despite covid sometimes being listed as cause of death even though underlying health conditions may be the cause of death.  Obviously, it is still much too early to call.  One thing is for sure: fuck China.

Most people who die of cancer, flu, heart disease, etc have underlying conditions.   

Coronavirus deaths are going to reach whatever level they do - and that is with the measures currently being taken.  I just don't get flu death comparison.  Did we say at 9/11, "10-20 times this many people die every year from the flu - we shouldn't overreact."?  Of course not.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Did we say at 9/11, "10-20 times this many people die every year from the flu - we shouldn't overreact."?  Of course not.  

The 9/11 analogy does not make any sense to me.  Apples and oranges.

posted by majorspark

The 9/11 analogy does not make any sense to me.  Apples and oranges.

Exactly.  

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mark-cuban-on-how-economy-will-return-to-normal-keeping-the-door-open-to-2020-bid

President Cuban........Yea I would vote for that.

posted by Spock

President Cuban........Yea I would vote for that.

All I know is I won't be voting for Trump or Biden.  Maybe I'll just leave that one blank.

Cuban could be great, or really bad.  Because I think he'd actually try to be a POTUS, as opposed to someone we call President that just gives speeches.  Cuban doesn't strike me as someone who needs to hear himself talk, nor as someone who seeks media attention - the press wouldn't know what to do with themselves after Trump and Obama.

posted by gut

All I know is I won't be voting for Trump or Biden.  Maybe I'll just leave that one blank.

Cuban could be great, or really bad.  Because I think he'd actually try to be a POTUS, as opposed to someone we call President that just gives speeches.  Cuban doesn't strike me as someone who needs to hear himself talk, nor as someone who seeks media attention - the press wouldn't know what to do with themselves after Trump and Obama.

A few things:

1.  Our current person in the oval office has a laundry list of things that he has gotten done as president..more than most.

2.  If you dont think Cuban isnt worried about Cuban....you dont know him.  

posted by Spock

A few things:

1.  Our current person in the oval office has a laundry list of things that he has gotten done as president..more than most.

2.  If you dont think Cuban isnt worried about Cuban....you dont know him.  

1. LOL

2. He didn't say Cuban doesn't care about himself.  He said he doesn't care about hearing himself talk or seeing himself in the media.

Do you know him so well?  How?

posted by Spock

A few things:

1.  Our current person in the oval office has a laundry list of things that he has gotten done as president..more than most.

2.  If you dont think Cuban isnt worried about Cuban....you dont know him.  

1. In your opinion. In many people's opinion, not so. 

2. When did you and Cuban get to know each other so we'll. 

Here I thought the 2016 election was prime for a 3rd party candidate to actually make waves....but swapping in Senile Joe sets up the 2020 election even better.

I think it's too late for Cuban in 2020.  Believe he's a libertarian, though, so it will be very interesting if he does decide to run this year or 2024.

Cuban has never set up an official platform, so I don't know where he leans on every issue, but just following thru the years he definitely has a libertarian mindset.  I'd vote for him, but I get the sense he wants nothing to do with the position.  If he ever ran, I don't think it would ever be third party.  As spock mentioned, he also wants to protect himself and running third party would most likely just screw over the GOP and give the election to the Democrats who have gone pretty far left.  Cuban has said in the past he used to be a Republican and he wants to still be one, but the current GOP won't let him, because they are no longer what they say they are (he is not wrong). I think we would most likely see Cuban run as a Republican if he ever ran.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Most people who die of cancer, flu, heart disease, etc have underlying conditions.   

 

Coronavirus deaths are going to reach whatever level they do - and that is with the measures currently being taken.  I just don't get flu death comparison.  Did we say at 9/11, "10-20 times this many people die every year from the flu - we shouldn't overreact."?  Of course not.  

Comparing a terrorist attack to a flu virus is asinine.

Comparing a flu like virus to a flu virus actually makes common sense.

You KNOW that, but are just being obtuse to mess with QO.

Bernie endorsing Biden...  Do these people have no principles?