And if you think government assistance is making poor people live comfortably, maybe meet some poor people? 

posted by iclfan2

Had it declined under Trump? Or just stayed the same? The cities full of poor people are the left ones... so it isn’t a conservative thing. 

Is Trump libertarian? Did we get rid of taxes for their support? I’m not sure what he has to do with it? 

posted by iclfan2

Had it declined under Trump? Or just stayed the same? The cities full of poor people are the left ones... so it isn’t a conservative thing. 

Wow how did I miss this one? Lol. So poor is a Democrat city thing. Not like entire states that vote red? 

posted by kizer permanente
Wow how did I miss this one? Lol. So poor is a Democrat city thing. Not like entire states that vote red? 

Cities have money to do what they please. Obv there are red cities that are poor, but you also have huge ones like Detroit that are blue. Should the rest of the country pay for them? The point is the federal government shouldn’t be deciding this.

posted by iclfan2

Cities have money to do what they please. Obv there are red cities that are poor, but you also have huge ones like Detroit that are blue. Should the rest of the country pay for them? The point is the federal government shouldn’t be deciding this.

What you don’t seem to understand is when you let the poor class grow, the economy shrinks. Crime rates go up. Education and literacy levels go down... it’s not a trend you want your country heading too. It doesn’t make for a promising future of being a global leader.  

posted by kizer permanente

What you don’t seem to understand is when you let the poor class grow, the economy shrinks. Crime rates go up. Education and literacy levels go down... it’s not a trend you want your country heading too. It doesn’t make for a promising future of being a global leader.  

So are you saying the "New Deal" and "Great Society" were abject failures?

posted by majorspark

So are you saying the "New Deal" and "Great Society" were abject failures?

Like when Nixon and Reagan cut them or what? 

posted by kizer permanente

Like when Nixon and Reagan cut them or what? 

Ok got it.  The dastardly duo fucked it up.

posted by majorspark

Ok got it.  The dastardly duo fucked it up.

I was asking you a question. Is that why you consider them failures? What happened to poverty rates after he ended Lbjs programs ...11% to 15% it looks Iike? 

Btw... poverty levels fell 19.5% to 11% in that time. 

https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?p=GPS&u=wikipedia&id=GALE%7CA612580996&v=2.1&it=r&sid=GPS&asid=e186c81a

“ In the long run, statistical analysis shows that the Official Poverty Rate fell from 19.5 percent in 1963 to 12.3 percent in 2017. However, using a broader definition that includes cash income, taxes, and major in-kind transfers and inflation rates, the "Full-income Poverty Rate" based on President Johnson's standards fell from 19.5 percent to 2.3 percent over that period”

I mean... seems more of a failure on Reagan’s part tbh. 

posted by kizer permanente

I was asking you a question. Is that why you consider them failures? What happened to poverty rates after he ended Lbjs programs ...11% to 15% it looks Iike? 

You were not just asking me a question.  Like me you cloak a point in the form of a question.  Which "he" are you referring to?  Nixon or Reagan?  And how did either one or both single handedly end or cut LBJ's program?

Government programs are kind of like the horseleach in proverbs its never enough.

 

posted by majorspark

You were not just asking me a question.  Like me you cloak a point in the form of a question.  Which "he" are you referring to?  Nixon or Reagan?  And how did either one or both single handedly end or cut LBJ's program?

Government programs are kind of like the horseleach in proverbs its never enough.

 

I was asking you a question. Did you consider the Great society or new deal failures bc they were done away with? As I showed, the Great society act was pretty effective cutting poverty rates which is what you specifically asked about. 

posted by majorspark

You were not just asking me a question.  Like me you cloak a point in the form of a question.  Which "he" are you referring to?  Nixon or Reagan?  And how did either one or both single handedly end or cut LBJ's program?

Government programs are kind of like the horseleach in proverbs its never enough.

 

Reagan defunded the Great society act in the Gramm-Latta Budget where he shifted the money towards military spending.  Do you think taking money from poor people and giving to Lockheed and Boeing may have contributed to the 4% increase in poverty rates? 

posted by kizer permanente

Reagan defunded the Great society act in the Gramm-Latta Budget where he shifted the money towards military spending.  Do you think taking money from poor people and giving to Lockheed and Boeing may have contributed to the 4% increase in poverty rates? 

So a duly elected divided federal legislature led by Reagan in the executive utilizing federal power which you are humping cut short the utopia.  Not just one man.

Concentrated power in the hands of a few allow the corporate boogeymen you mention a larger trough to feed in.  Don't be fooled by the false promises of those seeking the centralization of power.

Lol

posted by kizer permanente
Wow how did I miss this one? Lol. So poor is a Democrat city thing. Not like entire states that vote red?

He only sees blacks people as being poor and on welfare. He ignores the fact that most people are on welfare are white and don’t live in big cities 

posted by geeblock
He only sees blacks people as being poor and on welfare. He ignores the fact that most people are on welfare are white and don’t live in big cities 

My moms family is from West Virginia and my cousins still live there.  Most people don’t know what poor is until they go to the hills of small town WV.  

Guess how they all vote and who their favorite guy in the world is? 

posted by geeblock
He ignores the fact that most people are on welfare are white and don’t live in big cities 

Interesting, because that's also true of people killed by police....yet to hear Lebron tell it cops are hunting black people.

posted by kizer permanente

My moms family is from West Virginia and my cousins still live there.  Most people don’t know what poor is until they go to the hills of small town WV.  

Guess how they all vote and who their favorite guy in the world is? 

I am also from West Virginia and I can confirm 

posted by gut

Interesting, because that's also true of people killed by police....yet to hear Lebron tell it cops are hunting black people.

Well actually the data supports that a disproportionate amount of UNARMED blacks people are killed by police so no that’s not a good comparison. Let’s also stick to the subject and not go down that rabbit hole for the 20th time 

posted by kizer permanente

Yeah I wonder how much of that $410 billion went to Peoples churches and never filtered further than that? 

Or most of it. I went to a church that had over $10,000 a month in outreach and mission work.  

Well let's see. Who swiped West Virginia's economy right from under their feet? Who purposely taxed/regulated West Virginia's economy into a fraction of the size it once was? 

Which party told them they were a basket of deplorables? Which party calls them white supremacists, nazis and bigots? Which party is always accusing them of misogyny and oppression?

Which party says "Not every Trump voter is a white supremacist but every white supremacist is a Trump voter"? Which party spews out BLM and ignoring the billions of dollars worth of damage to innocent people? Which party was blocking Trump from bringing troops home from overseas? Which party has been telling their base to "hunt them down in restaurants"? Which party is currently inciting violence towards political opposition? Which party, for the last four years, has done nothing but push Russiagate conspiracy theories, Impeachment and now openly brandishing the 25th amendment?

And then ya'll pretending to wonder why WV is going to vote red.

But go off, I guess.

posted by CenterBHSFan

Well let's see. Who swiped West Virginia's economy right from under their feet? Who purposely taxed/regulated West Virginia's economy into a fraction of the size it once was? 

Which party told them they were a basket of deplorables? Which party calls them white supremacists, nazis and bigots? Which party is always accusing them of misogyny and oppression?

Which party says "Not every Trump voter is a white supremacist but every white supremacist is a Trump voter"? Which party spews out BLM and ignoring the billions of dollars worth of damage to innocent people? Which party was blocking Trump from bringing troops home from overseas? Which party has been telling their base to "hunt them down in restaurants"? Which party is currently inciting violence towards political opposition? Which party, for the last four years, has done nothing but push Russiagate conspiracy theories, Impeachment and now openly brandishing the 25th amendment?

And then ya'll pretending to wonder why WV is going to vote red.

But go off, I guess.

Yeah  no ones wondering any of that 

“But go off I guess “ 

Lol?

posted by CenterBHSFan

Well let's see. Who swiped West Virginia's economy right from under their feet? Who purposely taxed/regulated West Virginia's economy into a fraction of the size it once was? 

Which party told them they were a basket of deplorables? Which party calls them white supremacists, nazis and bigots? Which party is always accusing them of misogyny and oppression?

Which party says "Not every Trump voter is a white supremacist but every white supremacist is a Trump voter"? Which party spews out BLM and ignoring the billions of dollars worth of damage to innocent people? Which party was blocking Trump from bringing troops home from overseas? Which party has been telling their base to "hunt them down in restaurants"? Which party is currently inciting violence towards political opposition? Which party, for the last four years, has done nothing but push Russiagate conspiracy theories, Impeachment and now openly brandishing the 25th amendment?

And then ya'll pretending to wonder why WV is going to vote red.

But go off, I guess.

doesnt have to be WV, you could pick alabama, mississippi, or a multitude of red states down south that rank almost dead last in every category you can think of

And yeah... damn democrats.. Caused a state who’s almost entire industry is based on a dying coal industry... which is still dead even after savior Trump deregulated it.. 

But go off I guess?