2013 Wayne County Athletic League Football

• oh yeah!!

  Bobcat;1530394 wrote:First off I'd like to wish luck to Northwestern and Chippewa this weekend.
  
  Secondly, I'm guessing by the passion that we are seeing that "oh yeah" is more than likely one of Norwayne's coaches. Rather then beating around the bush why dont you tell us how it actually unfolded. I'm sorry coach the blame for this one goes on you guys. In the last 4 years that we've been on a roll I dont recall seeing one back up QB come into a game and do more then hand the ball off. I've complained about this in the past. What is wrong with repping a QB with the first string for a couple series' and see what he can do. No, we destroy a team in the first half. Sit the 1's in the second half and watch the back up hand the ball off. I would guess that Miller did not take a snap in practice all of last week. What about Trevahn Beery? I heard from several sources he was a QB through 9th grade. Anyone could tell when Dreher went down that there wasn't a back up plan. For being an elite coaching staff, you guys fumbled this one.

  
  i am not a coach but i am related to one and am proud of it! when i talked to my son the past weekend whom i will not name on here. he had mentioned the injuries to harriss, beery, and maxwell not to mention zollinger all whom were backups coming into the season. i will have to talk to him more in detail at a later time to find out the specifics that you seem to know so much about.
• O-Trap

  

  oldsmithie;1530249 wrote:Northwestern and Loudonville should be a great game!

  Agreed. When I saw them, they looked VERY similar on offense. Should be a great showing.
  

  oldsmithie;1530249 wrote:I actually think that Chippewa could hang with Columbia.

  There's something that Chippewa always seems to have, even in down years: athletes. There always seems to be a lot of athleticism on the team. I don't know if there's a steady stream of Wadsworth transfers, or what, but even thinking back to the years I remember them being poor, it was usually a lack of size or discipline or just numbers. But they were always athletic.
  
  This year, that was the reason they were able to cover well against Norwayne (even with Harris, I think they're in that game, with a chance to win), and it's the reason I think they can hang with Columbia.
  

  oldsmithie;1530249 wrote:Triway hosts Wauseon and I don't know much about Wauseon? On a side note I think Manchester gets hammered by Ursuline.

  I don't think ANYONE knows much about Wauseon on here.
  
  And I think everyone pretty much knows how that Manchester-Ursuline game is going to shake out. It won't be pretty.
• Bobcat

  I'm not sure what specifics it is that I know so much about. I stated my opinion and what I know. I'm not the only Norwayne fan that thinks the coaches blew it...believe me. It's human nature for you to protect your relative. I get that. And we are all proud of what the Bobcats have achieved in recent years. None of that diminishes the fact that the coaches were not prepared to handle the injury to Dreher. To come on here and try to protect the coaches by saying no team could be prepared if their starting QB went down is ridiculous. Most good coaches prepare for just this sort of thing in case something goes wrong.
  
  As far as the injuries go, everyone knows Harris' shoulder is hurt. Maxwell hadn't played all year and Zollinger has been off most of the year. Nobody has mentioned an injury to Beery. He seemed fine to me. The status of none of those players changed during the game. The coaches were completely aware of the injury status before the game.
  
  I will say it once again.....Great players make great coaches. Let's see what next year brings
• O-Trap

  

  Bobcat;1530534 wrote:I will say it once again.....Great players make great coaches. Let's see what next year brings

  This isn't always the case, though. Good coaches CAN make great players out of mediocre natural talent. A great coach can raise the level of play, but so can greatly talented athletes.
• cav70knight

  bobcat14;1529989 wrote:Well just got back into town and got caught back up on things. Congrats Northwestern on your WCAL Crown and good luck in they playoffs.
  
  Now on to Norwayne, I put complete blame on the Head Coach!!!! How in the name of all things that are football Holy you not have a second string QB varsity ready?????? To me that is crazy, out of all the players you have on that team you cant find one person that you could get ready. I understand that it would be hard to find a replacement for Dhrer(SP) but you have to have somebody that could step in. The Miller boy did an outsanding job, but he is a running back and not a QB. I think this puts a end to the conversation, "our Norwayne Coaches good Coaches?". I think they just walked into a situation 4 years ago that even a blind squirrel could have one a State Championship with. The talent was there. from what I understand people said when those two classes where in pee wee that they would do great things in High School.
  Sorry for the rant but I feel bad for the players. Take nothing away from Northwestern, they are a good football team and deserved the win, but to not have somebody that would be able to step in and at least run the Offense is unreal!!!!! Maybe its time for a change at Norwayne? 7-3 is not a bad record at all and most teams would take it, but that is very poor coaching on the Head Coach.

  You do know this is high school football? Having a second string quarterback that will have no drop off from the first is unheard of at the high school level. You need to take a step back and think before you type my friend. It is embarrassing for you to question a coaching staff that won a state title 2 years ago at a school not known for winning titles let alone winning in Wayne county. Get a hold of yourself.
• 1486wd

  Heck, there's a drop off in college or the NFL with the second string qb (Kenny guiton not included of course).
• iced earth

  Bobcat;1530534 wrote:I'm not sure what specifics it is that I know so much about. I stated my opinion and what I know. I'm not the only Norwayne fan that thinks the coaches blew it...believe me. It's human nature for you to protect your relative. I get that. And we are all proud of what the Bobcats have achieved in recent years. None of that diminishes the fact that the coaches were not prepared to handle the injury to Dreher. To come on here and try to protect the coaches by saying no team could be prepared if their starting QB went down is ridiculous. Most good coaches prepare for just this sort of thing in case something goes wrong.
  
  As far as the injuries go, everyone knows Harris' shoulder is hurt. Maxwell hadn't played all year and Zollinger has been off most of the year. Nobody has mentioned an injury to Beery. He seemed fine to me. The status of none of those players changed during the game. The coaches were completely aware of the injury status before the game.
  
  I will say it once again.....Great players make great coaches. Let's see what next year brings

  Ummm....this isn't the NFL. Most high school teams put in weekly adjustments on Monday. Have a offense heavy practice on Tuesday, defense heavy practice on Wednesday, and a walkthrough on both sides on Thursday. If the JV quarterback couldn't do the job, their just isn't any time to give many other guys any reps. Unless you have a very good JV quarterback, just about every high school team would be screwed against a quality team in that circumstance.
• oh yeah!!

  Bobcat;1530534 wrote:I'm not sure what specifics it is that I know so much about. I stated my opinion and what I know. I'm not the only Norwayne fan that thinks the coaches blew it...believe me. It's human nature for you to protect your relative. I get that. And we are all proud of what the Bobcats have achieved in recent years. None of that diminishes the fact that the coaches were not prepared to handle the injury to Dreher. To come on here and try to protect the coaches by saying no team could be prepared if their starting QB went down is ridiculous. Most good coaches prepare for just this sort of thing in case something goes wrong.
  
  As far as the injuries go, everyone knows Harris' shoulder is hurt. Maxwell hadn't played all year and Zollinger has been off most of the year. Nobody has mentioned an injury to Beery. He seemed fine to me. The status of none of those players changed during the game. The coaches were completely aware of the injury status before the game.
  
  I will say it once again.....Great players make great coaches. Let's see what next year brings

  all i know is that the week before i had heard beery had something wrong with his hand and the other mentioned players were/had been injured which led them to going with the player they put in. having a good backup qb is hard and especially when at the high school level but if you have tips id be sure to pass them along for you. i know from speaking with a coach they all feel as if they let the kids down but it was not on purpose at all hopefully everyone can learn and move on from it.
  
  just a question for you if great players make great coaches and great players win championships then why has cleveland glenville not won a state title recently? they have arguably the most talent in the state yearly...but yet you say coaching has nothing to do with it? just a thought to ponder.... enough about the bobcats time to move on and cheer for the county teams left!
  
  northwestern will win a close one sat night home field will play the deciding factor and chipp will come up a little short against columbia but they should be very proud for their year! always good to see the county represented well!
• jaco

  Right after the state championship Harbour could've had about any job he wanted. Now he's losing the shine on his resume. I'll be curious to see what he does - stay put or start thinking about moving on. A guy's gotta know when to cash in his chips.
• Dr. KnOiTaLL

  

  jaco;1531031 wrote:Right after the state championship Harbour could've had about any job he wanted. Now he's losing the shine on his resume. I'll be curious to see what he does - stay put or start thinking about moving on. A guy's gotta know when to cash in his chips.

  He's lost a little bit of the shine, but he can still have plenty of great jobs out there should he choose to leave. I think the more interesting question will be, will the assistant coaches stay and take over, or will the leave as well. It will certainly be interesting.
• 99bobcatdb

  jaco;1531031 wrote:Right after the state championship Harbour could've had about any job he wanted. Now he's losing the shine on his resume. I'll be curious to see what he does - stay put or start thinking about moving on. A guy's gotta know when to cash in his chips.

  Has anyone actually heard he wants to leave??? 7-3 is not a bad year.
• Dr. KnOiTaLL

  

  99bobcatdb;1531070 wrote:Has anyone actually heard he wants to leave??? 7-3 is not a bad year.

  I'm sure if he did, that would be something that he would keep to himself. However, unless he wants to be at NHS for the long haul, now wouldn't be a bad time to go.
• O-Trap

  

  26-4 over the last three regular seasons. 8-1 in the playoffs over the last three years. It's still a heck of a resume for a short-term stint.
  
  If he's gonna leave, he should do it soon.
• rrfan

  

  Any program can string a few good years together. You have to stay near the top for a long time to gain real credibility as a program and coach. Norwayne is not there yet. They have to be able to sustain the level.
• Havin Fun

  My gosh, I think the coach deserves a break. The Bobcats were a third place team this year. The QB injury late just highlighted that they did not have a lot of depth. This is no different than if Chippewa loses breitenstine,Waynedale loses weaver, etc. NW is the only top tier program who may be able to function simply due to the fact they run the ball and don't have to have a passer.
  I don't know one school who would not trade places with Norwayne and what they have experienced the last three years.
• O-Trap

  

  rrfan;1531380 wrote:Any program can string a few good years together. You have to stay near the top for a long time to gain real credibility as a program and coach. Norwayne is not there yet. They have to be able to sustain the level.

  Agreed, but the sustained height of play doesn't happen without stringing a couple together in a row. More or less, by statistical accounts, he's on the right path.
  
  Also, it's worth noting that these three years are among the best three years any WCAL team has ever had. Not your average string of "a few good years together."
  

  Havin Fun;1531486 wrote:My gosh, I think the coach deserves a break. The Bobcats were a third place team this year. The QB injury late just highlighted that they did not have a lot of depth. This is no different than if Chippewa loses breitenstine,Waynedale loses weaver, etc. NW is the only top tier program who may be able to function simply due to the fact they run the ball and don't have to have a passer.
  I don't know one school who would not trade places with Norwayne and what they have experienced the last three years.

  I'm giving him a break, but based on the play I saw, even with some injuries, this was not the same level of play from last year (certainly not from the year before). It's the same as with any coach. They'll have teams with down years (Schrock's first two years showed a combined record of 2-16-2). But they'll perennially be in the discussion.
  
  Let's just put it this way: We've seen Harbour win with state-caliber raw talent and athleticism. Let's wait and see how he does with league-average talent and athleticism.
• HitsRus

  

  There's something that Chippewa always seems to have, even in down years: athletes. There always seems to be a lot of athleticism on the team. I don't know if there's a steady stream of Wadsworth transfers, or what, but even thinking back to the years I remember them being poor, it was usually a lack of size or discipline or just numbers. But they were always athletic.

  Actually, I think the Chipps would be a lot better if it didn't lose so many athletes to transfers( in all sports). I can think of a few who transferrred to Wadsworth because our teams or coaches were not perceived to be 'good'. Also, being so close to Akron, ther are always a number of athletes that go to St V/M and Hoban...and even Walsh Jesuit.
• O-Trap

  

  HitsRus;1531507 wrote:Actually, I think the Chipps would be a lot better if it didn't lose so many athletes to transfers( in all sports). I can think of a few who transferrred to Wadsworth because our teams or coaches were not perceived to be 'good'. Also, being so close to Akron, ther are always a number of athletes that go to St V/M and Hoban...and even Walsh Jesuit.

  I remember a few who did that when I was in school, but it STILL seemed like there was plenty to spare.
• RobBamsey

  As Hall of Famer Cris Carter says, C'MON MAN!!!!! I have no ties to Norwayne (although I think my cousin used to twirl a baton back in the day) but to blame the coaches, C'MON MAN!!!!!!! Although it's a different game with Dreher playing, the coaches didn't get beat 33-0 week 10. Northwestern deserves everything they achieved this year and the better team won that night. Keep it going in the playoffs to all area teams!!
• wcalfan

  Red Rum;1331624 wrote:Harbour is a great coach, it doesn't get any better than winning a state title. He also deserves kudos for using schemes that play to his players strengths. Otrap is spot on about the adversity side of things though. When he arrived the cupboard was stalked and community members and Maltarich already had the feeder system up and rolling.
  If Harbour stays around for another 5 years and keeps the Norwayne express piling up wins, it will be hard to argue he's not the best coach.
  
  I gave Williams the nod because Hillsdale rose up out of complete and utter ruin under his tutelage. The Falcons were absolutely terrible for decades. He was faced with building a program to respectability, changing a culture of losing, and getting rid of those gay blue uniforms before moving into being a contender.
  
  
  Another candidate that isn't far behind in the "great coach" conversation is Thut. He did a rebuild job on the perennially pathetic Huskies and has taken 2 different eras of kids to week 11...(almost 3, the 2001 huskies narrowly missed the playoffs)
  
  Bescancon is another guy who seems to have a knack for taking turds and sculpting them into diamonds. All the shenanigans surrounding the Schrock ouster may have affected perceptions of him and even slowed the team development last year. Even with that baggage, a team he coaches shouldn't be taken lightly.
  
  Doty will soon be on the hot seat if Dalton doesn't start looking like the teams of old. It's a shame too, because he should have been the one to enjoy the Billker year. That year of playoff success is crucial for a guy in Dotys shoes. Dalton is a small district in an era where soccer, cross country and even golf are competing for a very limited pool of kids. Combine that with the growth of the Northern WCAL schools and you have a recipe for built in disadvantage.
  
  The other 3 coaches.....well,
  I'm staying out of the Apple Creek fray....they have enough a-holes with strong opinions, I'm not needed.
  
  Billy Boy and Rittman....my opinion is so offensive, vulgarity and tasteless pics are needed to properly express it.
  
  finally Chippewa....no coach.....nobody to opine on.

  You are my hero Red Rum.....I just wish we were all as knowledgeable as you. Now I will wait for one of your great comeback posts......
• Red Rum

  

  wcalfan;1532537 wrote:You are my hero Red Rum.....I just wish we were all as knowledgeable as you. Now I will wait for one of your great comeback posts......

  Thanks wcalfan...
  
  my opinion hasn't changed much on anything I wrote in that post...but thanks again for checking.
  
  
  p.s- How old is that post?...Bohley wasn't even hired at Chippewa yet. If you're digging for posts to make me look bad, you could do alot better than that. Try last years thread, or better yet, go look up stuff from 2008 in JJ archives.
  
  
  Good luck to NWN & Chippewa tonight. Both games should be pretty good....and congrats to Triway on last nights victory.
• wcalfan

  Red Rum;1532596 wrote:Thanks wcalfan...
  
  my opinion hasn't changed much on anything I wrote in that post...but thanks again for checking.
  
  
  p.s- How old is that post?...Bohley wasn't even hired at Chippewa yet. If you're digging for posts to make me look bad, you could do alot better than that. Try last years thread, or better yet, go look up stuff from 2008 in JJ archives.

  Like I said....we should all feel blessed. You really are awesome!
• Hunter86

  

  Have fun at the campfire, the rest of us will be at the Northwestern game.
  
  (on the fence of course !)
• dontcare

  

  wcalfan;1532537 wrote:You are my hero Red Rum.....I just wish we were all as knowledgeable as you. Now I will wait for one of your great comeback posts......

  HAHAHAHA, please......
• eyes r burning

  wcalfan;1532639 wrote:Like I said....we should feel to blessed. You really are awesome!

  Your meds working my little buddy:RpS_angry: Concerned about you!