2012 Wayne County Athletic League Football

• jaco

  Paul_1;1280891 wrote:40 400 yard dashes, 12,500 push-ups, 25,000 sit-ups, 10,000 pull-ups, flipping 600 pound tractor tires 10 sets of 20 = 19-1 last 20 games, a state championship, and possibly a look at another deep tournament run....nuff said.......

  
  Classic.
  
  And yet they still look like a team full of slow, skinny white kids.
• Go Falcons

  

  Just an update on the pickem: make sure you post your picks on the other thread.
  
  I have been sick as a dog all week so I am behind, plus that oriental son of an unknown fatherdeleted the week 2 & 3 results so I have to do those also to get caught back up.
• Go Falcons

  

  OK folks! I edited my first post on the week 6 pickem thread with the standings to date. Sorry it took so long.
• Go Falcons

  

  Since only about half did the spread thing week five I did not use it.
  
  Maybe we will try something week 7.
• MOUNTAINBEAR

  Who won a state title........Hmmmmmmm! Maybe that coach thing works.

  jaco;1281284 wrote:Classic.
  
  And yet they still look like a team full of slow, skinny white kids.

• mompov

  O-Trap;1280857 wrote:This is an important point to make. Coach Schrock's record after two seasons as Smithville was 2-16-2. Yep, that's two wins, two ties, and sixteen losses.
  
  A football program is like a ship. You can't just put it in reverse. Turning radius creates the possibility for it to take awhile.

  I agree that it takes time to turn a ship...As I recall Ramsey didn't have that great a start at Dalton either.
  
  I disagree with 1beast about size and talent. I think it runs in spurts and is not evenly spread about the league teams every year. Dalton, actually, is regularly pretty small comparatively. But I agree that coaching makes a difference.
  
  Another consideration has also been talked about before. That is attitude and hard work. A great coach, with talent and size isn't going anywhere without either. I expect this to be an increasing problem in a society that glorifies youth. The number of students who expect something for nothing is on the increase. If they do not want to sweat in the summer they won't win in the fall. If they think that their talent is good enough to allow them to take it easy in off season, that will show at some point. It would be unfair to say that schools with losing records have lazy students as a whole, there are those who have been taught hard work and recognize it's benefits , but I think this must be considered in cases where there is consistent lack of success. As a parent, I hear about the kids who slack off and don't give 100% for their team. I also think that a school that is regularly successful becomes more prone to take that success for granted and expect that success to continue just because it has in the past. Coaches are important for setting the bar on the work for the reward attitude, but they are sometimes only one voice.
  1486, I see Doty staying a while, I hope so anyway. I know a number who don't share that senitiment, but, as we have seen, all coaches have their detractors.
• O-Trap

  

  mompov;1281476 wrote:I agree that it takes time to turn a ship...As I recall Ramsey didn't have that great a start at Dalton either.
  
  I disagree with 1beast about size and talent. I think it runs in spurts and is not evenly spread about the league teams every year. Dalton, actually, is regularly pretty small comparatively. But I agree that coaching makes a difference.
  
  Another consideration has also been talked about before. That is attitude and hard work. A great coach, with talent and size isn't going anywhere without either. I expect this to be an increasing problem in a society that glorifies youth. The number of students who expect something for nothing is on the increase. If they do not want to sweat in the summer they won't win in the fall. If they think that their talent is good enough to allow them to take it easy in off season, that will show at some point. It would be unfair to say that schools with losing records have lazy students as a whole, there are those who have been taught hard work and recognize it's benefits , but I think this must be considered in cases where there is consistent lack of success. As a parent, I hear about the kids who slack off and don't give 100% for their team. I also think that a school that is regularly successful becomes more prone to take that success for granted and expect that success to continue just because it has in the past. Coaches are important for setting the bar on the work for the reward attitude, but they are sometimes only one voice.
  1486, I see Doty staying a while, I hope so anyway. I know a number who don't share that senitiment, but, as we have seen, all coaches have their detractors.

  I might be wrong, but I am still firmly convinced that a great coach can get the kids to understand the necessity of good attitudes and hard work. In fact, I think that's part of what makes a coach great.
• Old Rider

  

  mompov;1281476 wrote:I agree that it takes time to turn a ship...As I recall Ramsey didn't have that great a start at Dalton either.
  
  I disagree with 1beast about size and talent. I think it runs in spurts and is not evenly spread about the league teams every year. Dalton, actually, is regularly pretty small comparatively. But I agree that coaching makes a difference.
  
  Another consideration has also been talked about before. That is attitude and hard work. A great coach, with talent and size isn't going anywhere without either. I expect this to be an increasing problem in a society that glorifies youth. The number of students who expect something for nothing is on the increase. If they do not want to sweat in the summer they won't win in the fall. If they think that their talent is good enough to allow them to take it easy in off season, that will show at some point. It would be unfair to say that schools with losing records have lazy students as a whole, there are those who have been taught hard work and recognize it's benefits , but I think this must be considered in cases where there is consistent lack of success. As a parent, I hear about the kids who slack off and don't give 100% for their team. I also think that a school that is regularly successful becomes more prone to take that success for granted and expect that success to continue just because it has in the past. Coaches are important for setting the bar on the work for the reward attitude, but they are sometimes only one voice.
  1486, I see Doty staying a while, I hope so anyway. I know a number who don't share that senitiment, but, as we have seen, all coaches have their detractors.

  Thats the mindset of many kids these days...if its too hard, then they are not doing it!
• MOUNTAINBEAR

  Darn it Trap-Yea Beast I know- I promised to lay off coach Z! But Trap started it up-AGAIN. Her in lies part of the Bears problem. The difference in a good coach and a great coach. you either fit or you dont.

  O-Trap;1281508 wrote:I might be wrong, but I am still firmly convinced that a great coach can get the kids to understand the necessity of good attitudes and hard work. In fact, I think that's part of what makes a coach great.

• oldsmithie

  Looks like a beautiful night for football! Best of luck to the area teams. Play hard and play injury free!
• thePITman

  

  oldsmithie;1282492 wrote:Looks like a beautiful night for football! Best of luck to the area teams. Play hard and play injury free!

  Perfect football weather!
• ghostrider

  Zuercher for President. He gives free stuff to everyone. Jesus.
• Falcon

  I thought the Waynedale boys played with class tonight. Even down by that much they played pretty clean and many times I saw them helping Falcons off the ground in good sportsmanship. That says a lot to me. Congrats!!!!!! Go Falcons!!! Gonna have to chew on some Huskie next week.
• mompov

  Happy for my Dawgs tonight. With a number of kids sidelined we managed to get a good win and some needed confidence/experience. Still have some improvements to make though, we should have had a couple more scores that we blew.
  Have to say I never saw a team get a double personal foul. Thirty yards, wow. The pink shirt parents were getting pretty upset, but can't say I blame them. Some of the calls...well, I'll wait and see what others who were there have to say.
• eyes r burning

  Seems wcalfan has got what he wanted, when waynedale fans stop posting they have stopped caring. Lets hope we can pull one out next week against are future. Great job !!!!
• Old Dawg

  mompov;1282779 wrote:Happy for my Dawgs tonight. With a number of kids sidelined we managed to get a good win and some needed confidence/experience. Still have some improvements to make though, we should have had a couple more scores that we blew.
  Have to say I never saw a team get a double personal foul. Thirty yards, wow. The pink shirt parents were getting pretty upset, but can't say I blame them. Some of the calls...well, I'll wait and see what others who were there have to say.

  Happy for the Bulldogs as well! And I know football is an emotional sport, but Rittman had 3 players escorted off the field tonight by the officials! Never like to see that!
• Go Falcons

  

  I realize this may not be popular. But I think it could be an interesting conversation. Some thoughts about this Old three vs. the New three thing.
  1. Size and demographics of the districts has not really changed or has not favored one district over another.
  2. Overall the quality of athletes has not changed ,yes you have up and down years, but Hillsdale is not growing them that much bigger and Dalton that much smaller.
  3. All teams face a change in student dedication and commitment. I believe we all have soccer now.
  4. There has always been "politics" and parents involved in the game and it effects all teams, and it varies year to year.
  5. The "shift in power" is pronounced enough that you can not say its just a blip.
  6. The Old three have seen their demise while still under the coaching of the formerly successful.
  7. When you compare the WCAL history to other leagues we do not stand out and compared to the MAC we have nothing to show for the last forty years.
  
  When you line it all up can you really say the old three were powerhouses? Can you really say the new three are? We all love WCAL football, but in the big picture is it all that we crack it up to be?
• O-Trap

  

  Go Falcons;1282819 wrote:I realize this may not be popular. But I think it could be an interesting conversation. Some thoughts about this Old three vs. the New three thing.
  1. Size and demographics of the districts has not really changed or has not favored one district over another.
  2. Overall the quality of athletes has not changed ,yes you have up and down years, but Hillsdale is not growing them that much bigger and Dalton that much smaller.
  3. All teams face a change in student dedication and commitment. I believe we all have soccer now.
  4. There has always been "politics" and parents involved in the game and it effects all teams, and it varies year to year.
  5. The "shift in power" is pronounced enough that you can not say its just a blip.
  6. The Old three have seen their demise while still under the coaching of the formerly successful.
  7. When you compare the WCAL history to other leagues we do not stand out and compared to the MAC we have nothing to show for the last forty years.
  
  When you line it all up can you really say the old three were powerhouses? Can you really say the new three are? We all love WCAL football, but in the big picture is it all that we crack it up to be?

  They've had their time in the sun, some of them. If any of them was recognized state-wide by the other powerhouses as a viable opponent, I'd say that makes a compelling case.
• oldsmithie

  Smithville looked oddly the same last night as they did last week. Too many turn overs and a bad second half. Smithvilles' run defense was awful in the second half.
• 1486wd

  Some points are valid falcon, but smithville did show some weakness under shriock near the end but were quite good last year. Dalton was good right to the end of ramsay and made the playoffs the next year as well in 2010. Waynedales coaching was not quite as steady.
• 855pride

  the smithies poor tackling was so hard to watch last night. i knew smith was a hard runner, he went for 200+ against the green last year. smithies even had a few days of one on one full contact open field tackling and that was the result. the green didnt convert one their chances (dropped pass in the endzone in the first). the green had a great first half just like last week but i didnt see any adjustments in the second half again. makes me wonder whats said in the locker room when the bands are playing.
• 1486wd

  I didn't know were debating statewide standings. They were certainly powerhouses in the league. Will they continue to be? Time will tell
• jaco

  Go Falcons;1282819 wrote:I realize this may not be popular. But I think it could be an interesting conversation. Some thoughts about this Old three vs. the New three thing.
  1. Size and demographics of the districts has not really changed or has not favored one district over another.
  2. Overall the quality of athletes has not changed ,yes you have up and down years, but Hillsdale is not growing them that much bigger and Dalton that much smaller.
  3. All teams face a change in student dedication and commitment. I believe we all have soccer now.
  4. There has always been "politics" and parents involved in the game and it effects all teams, and it varies year to year.
  5. The "shift in power" is pronounced enough that you can not say its just a blip.
  6. The Old three have seen their demise while still under the coaching of the formerly successful.
  7. When you compare the WCAL history to other leagues we do not stand out and compared to the MAC we have nothing to show for the last forty years.
  
  When you line it all up can you really say the old three were powerhouses? Can you really say the new three are? We all love WCAL football, but in the big picture is it all that we crack it up to be?

  
  This is a good take.
  
  I enjoy WCAL football, but it is what it is. It's small school football, played by alot of slow, undersized kids. It's a league where 160 pound linemen can thrive. It's all relative, though. Doesn't make it less enjoyable. But people do get full of themselves because they're not seeing higher quality athletes. The best measure is to look at college scholarships. How many D1 players have come out of this conference ever? Even Adam Wallace - best player in Norwayne history, and one of the best in WCAL history - is at Ashland. Nothing wrong with that, but you need to keep perspective.
• mt1514

  855pride;1282855 wrote:the smithies poor tackling was so hard to watch last night. i knew smith was a hard runner, he went for 200+ against the green last year. smithies even had a few days of one on one full contact open field tackling and that was the result. the green didnt convert one their chances (dropped pass in the endzone in the first). the green had a great first half just like last week but i didnt see any adjustments in the second half again. makes me wonder whats said in the locker room when the bands are playing.

  I think some of the kids are just getting to wore down and lose their edge in second half. Listened to the game on the radio and this is what is sounds like to me last 2 weeks.
• Jmar25

  Go Falcons;1282819 wrote:I realize this may not be popular. But I think it could be an interesting conversation. Some thoughts about this Old three vs. the New three thing.
  1. Size and demographics of the districts has not really changed or has not favored one district over another.
  2. Overall the quality of athletes has not changed ,yes you have up and down years, but Hillsdale is not growing them that much bigger and Dalton that much smaller.
  3. All teams face a change in student dedication and commitment. I believe we all have soccer now.
  4. There has always been "politics" and parents involved in the game and it effects all teams, and it varies year to year.
  5. The "shift in power" is pronounced enough that you can not say its just a blip.
  6. The Old three have seen their demise while still under the coaching of the formerly successful.
  7. When you compare the WCAL history to other leagues we do not stand out and compared to the MAC we have nothing to show for the last forty years.
  
  When you line it all up can you really say the old three were powerhouses? Can you really say the new three are? We all love WCAL football, but in the big picture is it all that we crack it up to be?

  Ummm... Yes you can say they are power houses... You don't have to win championships to be powerhouses but lets think about the number of times that the "old" three have made the playoffs... won playoff games... Waynedale had two final fours in 3 years. Smithville had numerous deep runs with title game appearance... Dalton adds to the playoff wins... Under those three teams it was not uncommon to have one or two of them in the playoffs and making regional finals appearances.... for... about a 20 year period. I think they stack up just as high as any other conference outside of the MAC in small school football.
  
  I would like if someone could find the number of playoff appearances and wins of the "old" three.... say... 90's to now.... compared to the "new" three's appearances and records of say.... 2006?!?! '07 is that when the switch appeared? until now... I think you'll find that only Norwayne can claim more than a win or two in the playoffs and it was done in only one year.... If I remember correctly... Hillsdale had one regional final appearance?
  
  I guess I need to know what your definition of powerhouse is.... For small school football... I've got to say yes... the WCAL is a powerhouse in small school football... You've got the teams in the west... you have the Bellaire/St. Clairesville area... then Wayne County. Unfortunately... the MAC is the ultimate powerhouse in small school football... They have the championships... Wayne County has represented an area more than any other besides the MAC and maybe the Bell/St. C area.