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2012 Wayne County Athletic League Football

  • kurty66
    Bloody Toothbrush;1280572 wrote:I'm the one who said I thought it was logical......and I still do.

    Maybe we interpreted it differently.......Maybe it offended you somehow.

    Are you by chance a Bobcat fan?

    Lol, Bloody - you did call it logical... I had to check. Sorry if I picked up on what I took as sarcasm.

    And yeah - I used to like the bobcats, but apparently they like to run up the score...;)
  • jaco
    no name;1280387 wrote:Pitman, You made a comment earlier something to the effect does Norwayne have such talent in the 2nd, 3rd 4th team players. I think it has been obvious they have alot of talent but its time on here to give a little credit to the hard work they put in the last 2 summers. It kind of went unnoticed on this site but the DR had an article about the training regime Norwayne and West Holmes have went thru. Norwayne did it last year also.
    From middle school to high school over 125 kids putting in a mental and physical workout that we never would have done years past. Pushing your body and mind to another level. On the last day of training Norwayne athletes ran 40 400 yard dashes, That is 10 miles in 95 degree heat. Maybe the coaches over there are on to something. Imagine work hard/have success. Ask Maltrich at West Holmes if the program has helped them. Up to number 4 in the state Div3. Look at Waynedale wrestling, lots of time spent out of season working their tails off.

    :rolleyes:

    Was this before or after they did 5,000 push ups?
  • 1486wd
    beverboy1;1279636 wrote:we are limited on kids so it's hard for us to pull all our starters out ! remember we have alot of soph on the field starting . in years past these kids would be playing jv not varsity !!
    Always hard to know what to do with these starters in this situation. Avoiding injury on one hand, finishing a drive on the other. Unfortunately for a lot of the bulldog starters, many would be playing jv most years and likely doing pretty well. The injuries definitely make me more nervous for this week. A couple weeks ago I would have picked Dalton easily and while I still think they'll win, it will be a little tougher
  • mt1514
    99bobcatdb;1280544 wrote:Maybe the fat smithville players would have just got stuck in the mud??? :laugh:
    How much better was the field at Norwayne than Smithville's for the Hillsdale game last year? Had to be bad to move to Cloverleaf for playoff game.
  • Bobcat
    I hate to stir it back up but I'm now confused about Kurty66's comment. I think you are actully making wcalfootballfan's point for him. #41 should not have been in the game. The staff is telling #7 to go down but they're still running #41. Unless they're trying to jack up his stats why is he running? If running 1st stringers is open game why is #7 told to go down? I think that's his point. That's what brought up the reference to his prestigious relatives
  • 1_beast
    Bobcat;1280748 wrote:I hate to stir it back up but I'm now confused about Kurty66's comment. I think you are actully making wcalfootballfan's point for him. #41 should not have been in the game. The staff is telling #7 to go down but they're still running #41. Unless they're trying to jack up his stats why is he running? If running 1st stringers is open game why is #7 told to go down? I think that's his point. That's what brought up the reference to his prestigious relatives
    yep, lol because a 50 point lead just isn't safe.:rolleyes:
  • O-Trap
    1_beast;1280757 wrote:yep, lol because a 50 point lead just isn't safe.:rolleyes:
    Being "safe" isn't the goal. ;)

    Crushing the opponent is. :thumbup:
  • 1_beast
    O-Trap;1280762 wrote:Being "safe" isn't the goal. ;)

    Crushing the opponent is. :thumbup:
    yep...lol and 50 points isn't a crushing.

    If you go back and read, it was stated that the varsity starters do indeed NEED to stay in and play, otherwise they aren't conditioned for 4 quarters of gametime football come playoffs. I completely agree that the starters SHOULD get their touches. it is the opponents responsibilty to stop them.

    Why should kids suffer and be benched for being good, playing well and winning? They shouldn't.

    If you can't beat em or stop em, or at least slow them down, you better start doing things different, because what you're doing obviously aint working. I wondered for years why Norwayne/Hillsdale/Chippewa couldnt compete....why Waynedale/Dalton/Smithville was always dominant?

    Well...I guess some change was made at some of the schools....and results have changed too.

    Face it, the schools are made up of the same type kids...thhe same approx size....the stats should basically be balanced across the board. Look at the MAC. THAT is balance.

    Here you have 3 dominant schools for 40 years, a few changes and now you have 2-3 other school putting their hat in the ring.
  • O-Trap
    1_beast;1280785 wrote:yep...lol and 50 points isn't a crushing.

    If you go back and read, it was stated that the varsity starters do indeed NEED to stay in and play, otherwise they aren't conditioned for 4 quarters of gametime football come playoffs. I completely agree that the starters SHOULD get their touches. it is the opponents responsibilty to stop them.

    Why should kids suffer and be benched for being good, playing well and winning? They shouldn't.

    If you can't beat em or stop em, or at least slow them down, you better start doing things different, because what you're doing obviously aint working. I wondered for years why Norwayne/Hillsdale/Chippewa couldnt compete....why Waynedale/Dalton/Smithville was always dominant?

    Well...I guess some change was made at some of the schools....and results have changed too.

    Face it, the schools are made up of the same type kids...thhe same approx size....the stats should basically be balanced across the board. Look at the MAC. THAT is balance.

    Here you have 3 dominant schools for 40 years, a few changes and now you have 2-3 other school putting their hat in the ring.
    You know what changed, at least with two of the schools that were so dominant?

    Coaching. ;) Ramses and Schrock played a key role in taking kids who weren't really any more talented than kids at any other school and making them winners. It's why coaching is important, and it's why I do understand the frustration of having a coach who doesn't instill the proper attitude and ethic into the players.

    Same thing, it appears, with coaching at two of the new elites. The Bobcats and the Falcons have a VERY solid coaching staff to work with. If they stick around, their coaching could be the difference in a lot of seasons.

    Eras of dominance that transcend the possibility of luck giving one school a really talented class ... ESPECIALLY in an area where all the teams are pretty much equally talented ... is pretty firm evidence to me that coaching and the program are as key to winning as the athletes. Having studs isn't enough. Heck, look at the Cleveland Knights team that Rittman lost to. FULL of athletes. Guys who played for respected bigger schools (Buchtel, St. Ed's, Glenville, etc.). Yet their only win this season came against Rittman, and the last game I heard about resulted in them getting CRUSHED by some Canadian team. They have no discipline. The coaches haven't built the program around winning.

    It really does make a difference. I'll take great coaching and hard-working athletes over mediocre coaching and extremely talented, but lazy, athletes any day.
  • 1486wd
    Well said otrap. Points I like to make myself. You find out if you have a good program/coaching when you have down years in talent and still go 5-5. Of course I will give some leeway to the guys in the league in their first couple years. It takes time to get your stamp on a program. Doty at dton for example had a tough way to start-a down time in talent for your start as well as having to replace most of your assistants.
    What are people's thoughts on the long term commitment to their schools in other schools? I think bescancon, doty, thut are there for the long haul. Williams has been there awhile now and I think he stays. Zuercher will stay if he can. Dennis and wolf-anyones guess. Harbour will be the most interesting case going forward. He may well stay, but I won't be surprised if he jets in the future. He will get some big time opportunities. I hope he stays for the strength of the league.
  • O-Trap
    1486wd;1280831 wrote:Of course I will give some leeway to the guys in the league in their first couple years. It takes time to get your stamp on a program. Doty at dton for example had a tough way to start-a down time in talent for your start as well as having to replace most of your assistants.
    This is an important point to make. Coach Schrock's record after two seasons as Smithville was 2-16-2. Yep, that's two wins, two ties, and sixteen losses.

    A football program is like a ship. You can't just put it in reverse. Turning radius creates the possibility for it to take awhile.
  • 855pride
    O-Trap;1280857 wrote:A football program is like a ship. You can't just put it in reverse. Turning radius creates the possibility for it to take awhile.
    i like this. very deep thinking :thumbup:
  • Paul_1
    jaco;1280614 wrote::rolleyes:

    Was this before or after they did 5,000 push ups?
    40 400 yard dashes, 12,500 push-ups, 25,000 sit-ups, 10,000 pull-ups, flipping 600 pound tractor tires 10 sets of 20 = 19-1 last 20 games, a state championship, and possibly a look at another deep tournament run....nuff said.......
  • thePITman
    It's nothing new that the team(s) putting in the most work are being the most successful. What a concept.
  • Paul
    1_beast;1280785 wrote:yep...lol and 50 points isn't a crushing.

    If you go back and read, it was stated that the varsity starters do indeed NEED to stay in and play, otherwise they aren't conditioned for 4 quarters of gametime football come playoffs. I completely agree that the starters SHOULD get their touches. it is the opponents responsibilty to stop them.

    Why should kids suffer and be benched for being good, playing well and winning? They shouldn't.

    If you can't beat em or stop em, or at least slow them down, you better start doing things different, because what you're doing obviously aint working. I wondered for years why Norwayne/Hillsdale/Chippewa couldnt compete....why Waynedale/Dalton/Smithville was always dominant?

    Well...I guess some change was made at some of the schools....and results have changed too.

    Face it, the schools are made up of the same type kids...thhe same approx size....the stats should basically be balanced across the board. Look at the MAC. THAT is balance.

    Here you have 3 dominant schools for 40 years, a few changes and now you have 2-3 other school putting their hat in the ring.
    Ding Dang I agree with the Beast, HMMMM hope i'm not going down hill to fast. Forget Bobcat he is like trying to tell a liberial the truth.
  • kurty66
    Bobcat;1280748 wrote:I hate to stir it back up but I'm now confused about Kurty66's comment. I think you are actully making wcalfootballfan's point for him. #41 should not have been in the game. The staff is telling #7 to go down but they're still running #41. Unless they're trying to jack up his stats why is he running? If running 1st stringers is open game why is #7 told to go down? I think that's his point. That's what brought up the reference to his prestigious relatives

    I was being sarcastic, but #41 was out of the game way before #7 played quarterback. Two different points in the game. I think he (#41) played for a couple of series into the third quarter, including a two back experiment with #3. Norwayne abandoned the pass after halftime (I could be wrong, but I don't remember anything but runs after halftime) and then the starters sometime in the 3rd quarter. He was making two points - that the score was being run up and that #41 was in there for stat-padding, but then another player was told to "go down" (I'm not sure if that's accurate). My point was that it was illogical for all of that to be true.

    Norwayne's progression of shutting it down started with no passing and then running their backs in order - I don't see much wrong with that. I don't know the exact time #41 left the game, but I think he got a some work and then left at some point in the third. These guys will have to play 4 quarters sometime soon - how little do you want them to play? The best way to improve individual numbers anyway is to get deep into the playoffs and increase the number of games played. I'm sure the team would rather win the WCAL and have playoff success over individual stats.
  • Paul_1
    1_beast;1280785 wrote:yep...lol and 50 points isn't a crushing.

    If you go back and read, it was stated that the varsity starters do indeed NEED to stay in and play, otherwise they aren't conditioned for 4 quarters of gametime football come playoffs. I completely agree that the starters SHOULD get their touches. it is the opponents responsibilty to stop them.

    Why should kids suffer and be benched for being good, playing well and winning? They shouldn't.

    If you can't beat em or stop em, or at least slow them down, you better start doing things different, because what you're doing obviously aint working. I wondered for years why Norwayne/Hillsdale/Chippewa couldnt compete....why Waynedale/Dalton/Smithville was always dominant?

    Well...I guess some change was made at some of the schools....and results have changed too.

    Face it, the schools are made up of the same type kids...thhe same approx size....the stats should basically be balanced across the board. Look at the MAC. THAT is balance.

    Here you have 3 dominant schools for 40 years, a few changes and now you have 2-3 other school putting their hat in the ring.
    I can't believe that I have to agree with a Waynedale fan.........what is this world coming too................
  • Paul_1
    Paul;1280901 wrote: Forget Bobcat he is like trying to tell a liberial the truth.
    As with most bobcat fans father.....
  • oldsmithie
    Just a little back ground on the Smithville/Northwestern game. These two schools played for the first time in 1964, Smithville holds an all time series record of 32 wins and 15 losses. Over the last 10 years Smithville has won 7 and lost 3. Last years game was a high scoring affair with Smithville pulling out a 56-39 win. If Smithville does not keep the intensity level up, this could be a long night for the Smithies! It looks like the weather will be good this Friday and hopefully this will be an exciting game.
  • O-Trap
    oldsmithie;1280935 wrote:Just a little back ground on the Smithville/Northwestern game. These two schools played for the first time in 1964, Smithville holds an all time series record of 32 wins and 15 losses. Over the last 10 years Smithville has won 7 and lost 3. Last years game was a high scoring affair with Smithville pulling out a 56-39 win. If Smithville does not keep the intensity level up, this could be a long night for the Smithies! It looks like the weather will be good this Friday and hopefully this will be an exciting game.
    Of the three years I dressed at Smithville (freshmen didn't dress varsity except in playoff games), there were only three regular season losses. One was to the Huskies. As such, this will always be a game with some personal baggage attached to it for me. I'm REALLY pulling for the men in green on Friday night, and I'll be there to cheer them on.
  • Paul_1
    oldsmithie;1280935 wrote:Just a little back ground on the Smithville/Northwestern game. These two schools played for the first time in 1964, Smithville holds an all time series record of 32 wins and 15 losses. Over the last 10 years Smithville has won 7 and lost 3. Last years game was a high scoring affair with Smithville pulling out a 56-39 win. If Smithville does not keep the intensity level up, this could be a long night for the Smithies! It looks like the weather will be good this Friday and hopefully this will be an exciting game.
    GO Green
  • was_that_it
    O-trap, I only played in 4 regular season wins. All those losses, I have alot of personal baggage! :cool:
  • MOUNTAINBEAR
    Push-ups are push-ups, 40yd dash is 40 yd dash, coaching absolutely, but your forgetting about the community that surrounds the program. plays important role. So when all those things fall into place. BAM! You get what Norwayne has now. Darn good football team\
    O-Trap;1280803 wrote:You know what changed, at least with two of the schools that were so dominant?

    Coaching. ;) Ramses and Schrock played a key role in taking kids who weren't really any more talented than kids at any other school and making them winners. It's why coaching is important, and it's why I do understand the frustration of having a coach who doesn't instill the proper attitude and ethic into the players.

    Same thing, it appears, with coaching at two of the new elites. The Bobcats and the Falcons have a VERY solid coaching staff to work with. If they stick around, their coaching could be the difference in a lot of seasons.

    Eras of dominance that transcend the possibility of luck giving one school a really talented class ... ESPECIALLY in an area where all the teams are pretty much equally talented ... is pretty firm evidence to me that coaching and the program are as key to winning as the athletes. Having studs isn't enough. Heck, look at the Cleveland Knights team that Rittman lost to. FULL of athletes. Guys who played for respected bigger schools (Buchtel, St. Ed's, Glenville, etc.). Yet their only win this season came against Rittman, and the last game I heard about resulted in them getting CRUSHED by some Canadian team. They have no discipline. The coaches haven't built the program around winning.

    It really does make a difference. I'll take great coaching and hard-working athletes over mediocre coaching and extremely talented, but lazy, athletes any day.
  • MOUNTAINBEAR
    Nephew plays on green, yep, bear pullin for smithy. Yikes!
    oldsmithie;1280935 wrote:Just a little back ground on the Smithville/Northwestern game. These two schools played for the first time in 1964, Smithville holds an all time series record of 32 wins and 15 losses. Over the last 10 years Smithville has won 7 and lost 3. Last years game was a high scoring affair with Smithville pulling out a 56-39 win. If Smithville does not keep the intensity level up, this could be a long night for the Smithies! It looks like the weather will be good this Friday and hopefully this will be an exciting game.
  • O-Trap
    MOUNTAINBEAR;1281090 wrote:Push-ups are push-ups, 40yd dash is 40 yd dash, coaching absolutely, but your forgetting about the community that surrounds the program. plays important role. So when all those things fall into place. BAM! You get what Norwayne has now. Darn good football team\
    I'm not forgetting at all. The crowd was always a great motivator, and it's true that all of those help, but a well-coached team (who will do plenty of pushups and 40s if the coach is worth his salt) can win all by themselves. When you train like it's you against the world, you can play like it's you against the world.