Week 12... Steubenville(11-0) vs Cardinal Mooney(7-3)

• I Am Ahab

  Who was the secondary in 05? Stevie,Zach, Bellardine,????
• quishicks91

  I Am Ahab;962845 wrote:Hmmmm. I'll admit I've only seen the 2011 Big Red team play one full game, but I would easily list 05, 06 defenses vastly superior to this. Hard to believe someone who has seen a lot of HS foot all would mention this D up there with some of the best.

  Its just my opinion i think there defense is that good especially since ive seen every single one of their games this year i know my high school sports dont question it.
• RedBlackAttack

  

  bases_loaded;961949 wrote:I could care less.

  So, you really do care?
• I Am Ahab

  Well your opinion and don't question it are contradictory. Im willing to bet if we set up a poll the majority would take the back2back defenses over this one. Magnone trumps anyone on this d line. Collaros is the best athlete ever to step on the field for the Red. Stevie Davis was a freaking ball hawk like none other. The LBs were studs.
  05 wins out. That'd be unanimous. Book it.
• RedBlackAttack

  

  ManO'War;962861 wrote:I think they are better, thus far, than 06, but not near as good as 05, which to me was the best defense Big Red has had in a long time.

  Hmmm... Not sure about being better than the 2006 team. I love the strides Prather has made, but that '06 offense was unreal. Our defense is much better this year than it was in '06, but I'm not sure that gap makes up for the gap between this year's offense and the '06 offense.
  
  This week goes a long way to tell us where this team ranks in the annals of the Saccoccia era, but that 2006 team won a state title. This team has to at least do that first before I begin comparing the two.
• quishicks91

  I Am Ahab;962891 wrote:Well your opinion and don't question it are contradictory. Im willing to bet if we set up a poll the majority would take the back2back defenses over this one. Magnone trumps anyone on this d line. Collaros is the best athlete ever to step on the field for the Red. Stevie Davis was a freaking ball hawk like none other. The LBs were studs.
  05 wins out. That'd be unanimous. Book it.

  Your right but what im saying is basically dont underestimate this defense id take this years d over last years d though hands down.
• Thinthickbigred

  skank;962383 wrote:Let me get this straight, in a thread involving Steubenville and Mooney, Dover people are talking about STEUBENVILLE getting kids from other areas?

  thank you ... What is it with these guys ? Im praying we play well enough to beat Mooney and get them in the next round .. I think bases loaded is SOS in disguise .. i cant understand the hatred .. it makes zero sense
• Thinthickbigred

  ManO'War;962862 wrote:Just because your school system isn't good at attracting students, doesn't mean you can blame the ones that are. You sound just like pathetic school systems around us.

  That guy bases sounds just like our favorite neighborhood friend
• bases_loaded

  

  Thinthickbigred;962965 wrote:That guy bases sounds just like our favorite neighborhood friend

  
  I told you two weeks ago I'm him. I am wes mantooth, I mean sos, I mean durrr. You are obsessed.
• Bigredrob1

  You know after never posting in here and reading Johnny chimpos post on here it has become very obvious that you know nothing about football outside of your area... I admire your passion for your school but apparently you can't get past your smoking bongs and watching afghani porn to actually learn about some of these other schools. I'm sure Steve lemme, Kevin hefernan and the rest of broken lizard would love the fact that you resemble johnny chimpo jerkin a banana with you remarks to a T. Obviously every team in the playoffs have earned it and I would never put down a school system or teenage kids because they go to that school. 20-30 years from know do you think these kids will hate someone because they go to Dover or mooney or big red.. No they will talk about the games they played and the times they had.. So whatever your problem is with Steubenville high school get over it! Now as for the mooney game I can't wait good luck to both teams, stay healthy and Roll Red Roll
• Bigredrob1

  You know after never posting in here and reading Johnny chimpos post on here it has become very obvious that you know nothing about football outside of your area... I admire your passion for your school but apparently you can't get past your smoking bongs and watching afghani porn to actually learn about some of these other schools. I'm sure Steve lemme, Kevin hefernan and the rest of broken lizard would love the fact that you resemble johnny chimpo jerkin a banana with you remarks to a T. Obviously every team in the playoffs have earned it and I would never put down a school system or teenage kids because they go to that school. 20-30 years from know do you think these kids will hate someone because they go to Dover or mooney or big red.. No they will talk about the games they played and the times they had.. So whatever your problem is with Steubenville high school get over it! Now as for the mooney game I can't wait good luck to both teams, stay healthy and Roll Red Roll
• bases_loaded

  

  Let me be the first to welcome you to a message board and the Dover and Steubenville banter. I've been watching football at all levels in various parts of Ohio and the rest of the country for over 20 years. I get it, you obviously don't.
  
  Do yourself a favor and take the high road, I've been in the trenches lobbing nades since '98 and I'm not leaving. Graywolf bring the afghani porn were almost out.
• Mooney44Cards

  

  I wish I could get some insight into the game. Instead this thread is full of terrible terrible posters who have absolutely nothing to say about the game itself.
  
  I'll breakdown Mooney a bit to actually add something to this thread.
  
  Mooney is typical Mooney in a lot of senses. They have an athletic QB in PJ Quinn who is a threat to run the ball, but is probably is the best throwing QB Mooney has seen in at least a decade. So while McCarthy-led Mooney teams (and their successors in recent years) were mainly a threat to run with a pass 2 or 3 times a game just to catch the defense off guard, PJ Quinn would have no problem throwing it on every down if he really had to. Speaking of the Brothers McCarthy, Quinn is probably the best decision maker at QB since those two. Mostly knowing when to hand the ball off and when to tuck it and run on the QB option reads. He is by no means as athletic and quick as the McCarthys or DJK, but he gets the job done.
  
  The Cards will mostly line up either under center or in a pistol formation with 2 backs behind the QB, but tend to vary the formations with upbacks, TEs, and RBs in a variety of positions in the backfield.
  
  Carrying the load in the backfield is a trio of backs led by senior RB Roosevelt Griffin who has rushed for nearly 1000 of Mooney's 3700+ rushing yards in 2011. The deceivingly small and quick Justus Ellis-Moore and the athletic Marcus McWilson share the load and have contributed along with Quinn to the Cards' ample rushing yards.
  
  What can really be said about Mooney's defense? Its a Mooney defense. A dominant defensive line, athletic linebackers, and defensive backs who are fundamentally sound, keep guys in front of them, and rarely give up big plays.
  
  As can be said for a lot of teams, Mooney can win on Friday if they don't turn the ball over and don't give up big plays. I don't see Steubenville scoring a ton of points on this defense and if Big Red's defense is as good as advertised then it may come down to penalties and turnovers. Looking at scores alone, this Big Red defense definitely seems better than 2009 the last time these two teams met, however that Big Red team played a much tougher schedule than this year's team so while I look at Steubenville's scores from this year I tend to start to worry, I also look at the records of those opponents and feel a bit better. The two teams' common opponent may be all we have to go on as far as what to expect on Friday, both games being very close. Big Red beat the Irish by 5, and Mooney lost to them by 4.....sounds to me like we're in for a good game on Friday.
  
  Now would any Steubenville fan care to break down the Big Red and continue rational FOOTBALL discussion instead of everything else that's been going on?
• GRAYWOLF

  

  bases_loaded;962992 wrote:Let me be the first to welcome you to a message board and the Dover and Steubenville banter. I've been watching football at all levels in various parts of Ohio and the rest of the country for over 20 years. I get it, you obviously don't.
  
  Do yourself a favor and take the high road, I've been in the trenches lobbing nades since '98 and I'm not leaving. Graywolf bring the afghani porn were almost out.

  They have no sense of humor. They are not fun people. If they want boredom they have jj fuddle for that.
  
  Mooney44
  "I wish I could get some insight into the game. Instead this thread is full of terrible terrible posters who have absolutely nothing to say about the game itself."
  
  OOOOO your knowledge just is amazing. Great post but Go kiss Bucknut bills kids butt for me. We are all just big fat cheerleaders no matter how you slice it.
  
  "rational FOOTBALL discussion instead of everything else that's been going on?"
  Mooney and Steubenville should be a great game. An get the stick out of your ass and have some fun. It's for sure you can't effect the outcome of this game. LOL your my bitch
• 2002sunset

  Mooney44Cards;963019 wrote:I wish I could get some insight into the game. Instead this thread is full of terrible terrible posters who have absolutely nothing to say about the game itself.
  
  I'll breakdown Mooney a bit to actually add something to this thread.
  
  Mooney is typical Mooney in a lot of senses. They have an athletic QB in PJ Quinn who is a threat to run the ball, but is probably is the best throwing QB Mooney has seen in at least a decade. So while McCarthy-led Mooney teams (and their successors in recent years) were mainly a threat to run with a pass 2 or 3 times a game just to catch the defense off guard, PJ Quinn would have no problem throwing it on every down if he really had to. Speaking of the Brothers McCarthy, Quinn is probably the best decision maker at QB since those two. Mostly knowing when to hand the ball off and when to tuck it and run on the QB option reads. He is by no means as athletic and quick as the McCarthys or DJK, but he gets the job done.
  
  The Cards will mostly line up either under center or in a pistol formation with 2 backs behind the QB, but tend to vary the formations with upbacks, TEs, and RBs in a variety of positions in the backfield.
  
  Carrying the load in the backfield is a trio of backs led by senior RB Roosevelt Griffin who has rushed for nearly 1000 of Mooney's 3700+ rushing yards in 2011. The deceivingly small and quick Justus Ellis-Moore and the athletic Marcus McWilson share the load and have contributed along with Quinn to the Cards' ample rushing yards.
  
  What can really be said about Mooney's defense? Its a Mooney defense. A dominant defensive line, athletic linebackers, and defensive backs who are fundamentally sound, keep guys in front of them, and rarely give up big plays.
  
  As can be said for a lot of teams, Mooney can win on Friday if they don't turn the ball over and don't give up big plays. I don't see Steubenville scoring a ton of points on this defense and if Big Red's defense is as good as advertised then it may come down to penalties and turnovers. Looking at scores alone, this Big Red defense definitely seems better than 2009 the last time these two teams met, however that Big Red team played a much tougher schedule than this year's team so while I look at Steubenville's scores from this year I tend to start to worry, I also look at the records of those opponents and feel a bit better. The two teams' common opponent may be all we have to go on as far as what to expect on Friday, both games being very close. Big Red beat the Irish by 5, and Mooney lost to them by 4.....sounds to me like we're in for a good game on Friday.
  
  Now would any Steubenville fan care to break down the Big Red and continue rational FOOTBALL discussion instead of everything else that's been going on?

  Great info. I think you can plug Steubenville in where you have Mooney and that would describe Big Red. From the QB being very capable to a 3 or 4 headed TB and athletic defense with powerful D-line. It's all the same. This should become about momentum and mistakes because I think these teams are copies of each other. Too bad someone has to lose this early.
• ManO'War

  

  RedBlackAttack;962892 wrote:Hmmm... Not sure about being better than the 2006 team. I love the strides Prather has made, but that '06 offense was unreal. Our defense is much better this year than it was in '06, but I'm not sure that gap makes up for the gap between this year's offense and the '06 offense.
  
  This week goes a long way to tell us where this team ranks in the annals of the Saccoccia era, but that 2006 team won a state title. This team has to at least do that first before I begin comparing the two.

  We were talking about just defense.
  
  The 06 offense ranks up there with the best Big Red has ever had. 06 special teams were average.
  
  That's what made 05 so great...all 3 phases of the game were outstanding.
• quishicks91

  Big red likes to come out in various formations (the spread , pistol , two backs, one tight end , traditional i formation). Our qb is average and our main threat in najee murray he can fly by anybody he runs like a 4.3. Our backs are decievingly fast starting wit leshawn luke and jojo pierro. We like to use playaction alot. Our defense is very impressive our dline is good we usually get good pressure but our dbs can be vulnerable as shown last week they dont like to take the ball so if we're not careful we can get burned but we do like to press alot.
• quishicks91

  Big red however is a penalty plagued team though i believe they had over 5- 10 penalties last week so if it comes down to penalties we might be in trouble.
• Bigred1995

  

  You know what I think would be pretty cool, especially this year? To see Big Red come out in the Wishbone and run the triple option.
  Put Houst at the fullback, Pierro & Glenn the other backs. Maybe even run it out of the Wild Stallion with Najee at the QB position.
• thePITman

  

  thePITman;960421 wrote:Is there a kind fellow out there that can buy me 2 pre-sale tickets for this game? I will obviously pay you back the $14 when I pick up my tickets before the game. I would really, really appreciate it. Thank you! (Feel free to PM me)

  Just so there's no confusion, it looks like I'm going to have to buy my ticket at the gate. I was hoping somebody would be able to get me a pre-sale ticket so I could save a few bucks, but I guess not. (and even if I did stand you up, which I wouldn't, you could sell it at the gate easily for $2 less than the gate price)
• SUPER787

  I Am Ahab;962891 wrote:Well your opinion and don't question it are contradictory. Im willing to bet if we set up a poll the majority would take the back2back defenses over this one. Magnone trumps anyone on this d line. Collaros is the best athlete ever to step on the field for the Red. Stevie Davis was a freaking ball hawk like none other. The LBs were studs.
  05 wins out. That'd be unanimous. Book it.

  What are you 18? Best B.R. athlete ever? Please do some research and come back!
  Cheers!:rolleyes::rolleyes:
• Bigred1995

  

  SUPER787;963727 wrote:What are you 18? Best B.R. athlete ever? Please do some research and come back!
  Cheers!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

  
  Yeah, I actually paused at that too!! I know as a wrestler I'm biased, but for me that title goes to D. "Tubbo" Yetts! I know Zach too excelled at that level in two sports, but wrestling is an entirely different beast! And to compete at a national level on top of that is just crazy.
  Zach is up there in the top two or three though(for me)!
• 4cards

  

  ^^^^
  ...Best BR athlete ever...? Doug Charland.:thumbup:
• BigYtownRed

  4cards;964035 wrote:^^^^
  ...Best BR athlete ever...? Doug Charland.:thumbup:

  Finally someone who knows what they are talking about when talking about Big Red's greatest athletes!
  
  To add to the football fodder: At least we have a kicker that will make 99.9% of his extra points maybe it is 100% & we can kick FGs if needed.
  
  RRR smash the thunder chickens.
• RedBlackAttack

  

  ManO'War;963175 wrote:We were talking about just defense.
  
  The 06 offense ranks up there with the best Big Red has ever had. 06 special teams were average.
  
  That's what made 05 so great...all 3 phases of the game were outstanding.

  Oh, yes... In terms of defense, I would probably rate this squad above the '06 team. Despite a wealth of talent, that defense was not dominating. I guess replacing so many important pieces, especially on the defensive line, took its toll on the 2006 defense.
  
  
  Good post, Mooney44Cards. My biggest gripe about this particular message board has been the lack of actual football talk and the abundance of meaningless smack talk.
  
  Unfortunately, I've only been able to see Big Red twice this year (Ursuline and Massillon), so it is difficult for me to go into great detail about how the team has grown and where our weak spots are.
  
  One thing that really surprised me from Week 5 to Week 9 was the improvement at the quarterback position. Prather has really come into his own. He looked so much more comfortable in the pocket and going through his reads. You could also see that the coaching staff has gained a lot of confidence in him and they are giving him more options when he drops back to pass.
  
  Our passing game has come a long, LONG way over the course of the last couple of seasons.
  
  Our running game is strong, as usual, with a smallish, quick line. JoJo Pierro and LeShawn Luke can really wear on a defense. We have a homerun hitter with Najee Murray, who will line up all over the field.
  
  It is a good, balanced offense that seems to be getting better and better.
  
  Defensively, this is a team that could make its mark at Big Red, as we have previously discussed in this thread. A lot of it will depend on how well we do in the postseason, obviously, but when we are having conversations about the 2005 team in comparison, you know it has a lot of potential.
  
  William Houst is an absolute monster and Najee is obviously a BCS caliber talent.
  
  Our special teams scare me a bit. We have a pretty good kicker this year who can put the ball in the endzone and also kick an occasional FG (he is money on XPs), but our coverage makes me hold my breath at times. Then again, kick coverage is always a little scary on the high school level, regardless of who you are.
  
  It should be a really interesting game between two programs that know one another well.
  
  RRR