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2011 Wayne County Athletic League Football

  • 1_beast
    Bloody Toothbrush;963780 wrote: Maybe if the WCAL teams start knocking Orrville out of the playoffs, things will change. Until then......
    That would cement that it would NEVER change!!!!
  • BEARIDER
    OK ,Orrville schedules ..what one team a year? They can't play everyone. I don't think any of the teams wants to be dumped off the schedule so some one can play Orrville. Have to go to 11 games a year.
  • iced earth
    I'm a WCAL league guy....and I'm telling you all the gap has widend between Orrville and the best WCAL teams. The coaching in the OCC is much more advanced on both sides of the ball.
  • beverboy1
    ill agree with you on the first part . i don't agree with the coaching part !
  • you think you know
    iced earth;963974 wrote:I'm a WCAL league guy....and I'm telling you all the gap has widend between Orrville and the best WCAL teams. The coaching in the OCC is much more advanced on both sides of the ball.
    Both Conferences have some excellent coach's and some piss poor ones.
  • iced earth
    I wasn't talking quality of individuals coaching... I was talking X and O's.... You see teams checking off to weak coverages, playing nickle and even dime on 3rd down. The offenses and defensive schemes are just way more advanced in the OCC. The WCAL is a call the play and run it league. I 've seen plenty of both leagues over the last 3 years, you just don't see the at the line adjustments and changes in the WCAL as you do in the OCC.
  • tsst_fballfan
    iced earth;963974 wrote:I'm a WCAL league guy....and I'm telling you all the gap has widend between Orrville and the best WCAL teams. ...
    I agree. My kids went/go to Smithville but I actually live closer to Orrville. I have seen a lot of WCAL football and Orrville football. With the exception of teams like the 02 and 04 Smithies, Orrville would dominate WCAL teams.
  • O-Trap
    tsst_fballfan;964691 wrote:I agree. My kids went/go to Smithville but I actually live closer to Orrville. I have seen a lot of WCAL football and Orrville football. With the exception of teams like the 02 and 04 Smithies, Orrville would dominate WCAL teams.
    Some Orrville teams would, but remember that Orrville goes through down years, too. As I mentioned earlier, I doubt the 2001 Orrville team (2-8) would have, and probably wouldn't have finished any higher than 4th in the WCAL that year (from the several games of theirs I saw).

    Years like this year, I agree that they'd at least be a favorite for the league if not run through it. We'll find out which is closer to true this Friday night.
  • 5knots
    It is silly talk to think Orrville or any team would dominate among local schools. You see this occur in some parts of the state because all the good players decide to go to one school because their is little sense of community. You do not have that here in Wayne county. That is why we all love living here and raising children here. Community pride, School pride, we are blessed. Let's enjoy this weekend for what it is, two deserving football teams who will both give their best effort. Unfortunately, only 1 can win. That doesn't prove or disprove anything except that that team played a better game that night. Don't fall into all this crap the DR is trying to juice. They are creating divisions between neighbors...and we don't need that here. Yes it is a big game and for that we should all be pleased we can a part of it. Go Red Riders!
  • footballnut
    Well said 5k. Suddenly......the voice of reason
  • Old Rider
    5knots;964725 wrote:It is silly talk to think Orrville or any team would dominate among local schools. You see this occur in some parts of the state because all the good players decide to go to one school because their is little sense of community. You do not have that here in Wayne county. That is why we all love living here and raising children here. Community pride, School pride, we are blessed. Let's enjoy this weekend for what it is, two deserving football teams who will both give their best effort. Unfortunately, only 1 can win. That doesn't prove or disprove anything except that that team played a better game that night. Don't fall into all this crap the DR is trying to juice. They are creating divisions between neighbors...and we don't need that here. Yes it is a big game and for that we should all be pleased we can a part of it. Go Red Riders!
    Well said. Unfortunately a good team's season comes to an end on Saturday evening and IF it happens to be Orrville..the DR will EAT IT UP!
  • thePITman
    5knots;964725 wrote:It is silly talk to think Orrville or any team would dominate among local schools. You see this occur in some parts of the state because all the good players decide to go to one school because their is little sense of community. You do not have that here in Wayne county. That is why we all love living here and raising children here. Community pride, School pride, we are blessed. Let's enjoy this weekend for what it is, two deserving football teams who will both give their best effort. Unfortunately, only 1 can win. That doesn't prove or disprove anything except that that team played a better game that night. Don't fall into all this crap the DR is trying to juice. They are creating divisions between neighbors...and we don't need that here. Yes it is a big game and for that we should all be pleased we can a part of it. Go Red Riders!
    I agree!! Well said. But Orrville and Norwayne fans, alike, were creating "divions between neighbors" before the DR article was printed. Now that the DR has caught wind of it and printed the article (which made Orrville look bad with that quote), Orrville fans are backing off, changing their stance, and attacking the DR for blowing this game out of proportion.

    I wholeheartedly agree with the first half of your quote, though. Our area is blessed with community support, pride, and great rivalries. Orrville has the best athletic program in the area, so it is a privilege and motivation when others get to measure themselves against the Red Riders. On the other hand, it's a privilege and motivation for the Red Riders to prove their reputation to be correct, having the best athletics in the area.

    This should be a great game with a great crowd, and I cannot wait!
  • OQB
    5knots;964725 wrote:It is silly talk to think Orrville or any team would dominate among local schools. You see this occur in some parts of the state because all the good players decide to go to one school because their is little sense of community. You do not have that here in Wayne county. That is why we all love living here and raising children here. Community pride, School pride, we are blessed. Let's enjoy this weekend for what it is, two deserving football teams who will both give their best effort. Unfortunately, only 1 can win. That doesn't prove or disprove anything except that that team played a better game that night. Don't fall into all this crap the DR is trying to juice. They are creating divisions between neighbors...and we don't need that here. Yes it is a big game and for that we should all be pleased we can a part of it. Go Red Riders!
    One of the best posts I've read on here!
  • riders1
    thePITman;964792 wrote:I agree!! Well said. But Orrville and Norwayne fans, alike, were creating "divions between neighbors" before the DR article was printed. Now that the DR has caught wind of it and printed the article (which made Orrville look bad with that quote), Orrville fans are backing off, changing their stance, and attacking the DR for blowing this game out of proportion.
    Apparently you haven't been reading the daylate record all football season ( 2-8 season kind of makes you lose the interest in football ) as the dork has brought this up waaaaay back when the regions were announced and as mentioned it several times since then. So he chooses to pick an anonymous July poster to include in his unbiased story and uses that as a representative of most fans and uses none from anonymous sources from other views. What a DORK he is :laugh:
  • thePITman
    riders1;964951 wrote:Apparently you haven't been reading the daylate record all football season ( 2-8 season kind of makes you lose the interest in football ) as the dork has brought this up waaaaay back when the regions were announced and as mentioned it several times since then.
    Definitely missed, those, then! Here's one good thing about that poster's comment - at least he didn't say that Orrville has been kicking field goals on 2nd and 3rd down to get the kicker some practice in game situations. Haha! Some people may view Orrville or Norwayne fans as cocky, but the last 2 years with Genoa take the cake, IMO.
  • RedRider1
    Old Rider;964788 wrote:Well said. Unfortunately a good team's season comes to an end on Saturday evening and IF it happens to be Orrville..the DR will EAT IT UP!
    THIS.

    There's 2 versions of the article that will be written Saturday night.

    1. Orrville wins because other team made a lot of mistakes.
    2. DAVID SLAYS GOLIATH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • thePITman
    RedRider1;964972 wrote:THIS.

    There's 2 versions of the article that will be written Saturday night.

    1. Orrville wins because other team made a lot of mistakes.
    2. DAVID SLAYS GOLIATH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    3. Red Riders prove why they're on top

    The whole "lose-lose" thing is getting old.
  • tsst_fballfan
    O-Trap;964700 wrote:Some Orrville teams would, but remember that Orrville goes through down years, too. As I mentioned earlier, I doubt the 2001 Orrville team (2-8) would have, and probably wouldn't have finished any higher than 4th in the WCAL that year (from the several games of theirs I saw).

    Years like this year, I agree that they'd at least be a favorite for the league if not run through it. We'll find out which is closer to true this Friday night.
    I agree but those would be the anomoly not the rule. Trust me there is nothing I would like to see more than a Rider-Smithie game every year in which the Green machine won. But the reality is that Orrville's average 6-4 to 8-2 teams are better than the top of the WCAL MOST years. This game will be a great example. This is an average at best Orrville team, in contrast this is probably one of the best Norwayne teams in the past two decades, but this game is still a toss up. If this were the 06 Rider team it would not be a close game. IMHO
  • Old Rider
    tsst_fballfan;965205 wrote:I agree but those would be the anomoly not the rule. Trust me there is nothing I would like to see more than a Rider-Smithie game every year in which the Green machine won. But the reality is that Orrville's average 6-4 to 8-2 teams are better than the top of the WCAL MOST years. This game will be a great example. This is an average at best Orrville team, in contrast this is probably one of the best Norwayne teams in the past two decades, but this game is still a toss up. If this were the 06 Rider team it would not be a close game. IMHO
    100% agree!
  • O-Trap
    tsst_fballfan;965205 wrote:I agree but those would be the anomoly not the rule. Trust me there is nothing I would like to see more than a Rider-Smithie game every year in which the Green machine won. But the reality is that Orrville's average 6-4 to 8-2 teams are better than the top of the WCAL MOST years. This game will be a great example. This is an average at best Orrville team, in contrast this is probably one of the best Norwayne teams in the past two decades, but this game is still a toss up. If this were the 06 Rider team it would not be a close game. IMHO
    To what do you attribute this idea? Orrville's talent pool isn't that much deeper in number (male student count). Their players usually aren't grossly larger or faster. Is there some other X-factor about happening to grow up in the Orrville school district as opposed to a block away in the Smithville or Dalton school districts?

    If not, one might say coaching. However, I'd be interested in the defense for that as well, as every year seems to bring Orrville faithful saying they lost games they should have won ... even this year's fans seem to think their team has Jekyll/Hyde tendencies.

    I think that some of this notion stems from a mystique surrounding a local team that seems to do pretty well against schools in larger divisions. However, I think there's more parity between non-polar divisions than many think.

    Saying all that, Orrville does have a very proud tradition. They're easily the most playoff-seasoned team, historically. They've had legendary coaches, and they were even the program that built a starting OSU quarterback (regardless of where he spent the end of his HS career).

    I'm hoping for a good game, and I think that's what we're going to get.
  • BRF
    You answered your own question. Perhaps you were just "thinking out loud" like 5knots does sometimes. :D
  • O-Trap
    BRF;965383 wrote:You answered your own question. Perhaps you were just "thinking out loud" like 5knots does sometimes. :D
    The playoff appearances were RESULTS of them having good teams, and they're hardly the only team in Wayne County to have a great coach.

    Those are why they should be proud of their history, but a great team isn't made that way. ;)
  • OQB
    I think another way to look at it is this way......When Orrville has a great player they usually have some college offers, and go on to play D1 football. Sure the WCAL has had plenty of D1 guys and rightfully so, but when you look at the great players the past 10-12 years, where have they gone on to play?

    Smithville:
    All the Beichler boys
    Kauffman
    Indermuhle (sp?)
    etc....


    Dalton:
    Jackson
    Stutz
    Miller

    Waynedale:
    Nofsinger

    Northwestern:
    Kaleb Reed
    Morrison

    Rittman:
    Jesse Richards
    Brandon Bauman

    Chippewa:
    Busson

    Hillsdale:
    Faulk

    Those are just the guys that I could think of off the top of my head....and really did well in the WCAL.


    Orrville has had

    Hiller, Western Michigan 2005 QB
    Ladrach, Akron 2008 TE
    Hoobler, Indiana 2010 LB
    Miller, Kent State 2010 Athlete
    Pirman, Nebraska 2011
    Turner, Ball State 2012
    Davis, a few MAC offers 2012
    Monheim, multiple offers 2012
    Brenner, a few MAC looking at him 2012

    Those are just the Division 1 guys....
  • O-Trap
    Smithville:
    Drew Beichler: Baldwin-Wallace
    Kevin Beichler: Walsh
    Kyle Kauffman: none that I know of, but I can't say whether he got offers
    Ben Olsen: Baldwin-Wallace
    Ryan Ferguson: Baldwin-Wallace
    Tommy Sines: Mount Union
    Seth Ream: Ohio University
    Gabe Middleton: College of Wooster (thought I believe he had an offer from Yale)
    I think Paul Kelby or Zach Douglass from this year's team has a BigTen D1 offer, but don't quote me.
    There are probably others I'm forgetting.
    (I know several of the above opted for smaller schools so they could play as underclassmen, as well as a bunch who were given offers, but opted not to play.)
  • OQB
    O-Trap;965470 wrote:Smithville:
    Drew Beichler: Baldwin-Wallace
    Kevin Beichler: Walsh
    Kyle Kauffman: none that I know of, but I can't say whether he got offers
    Ben Olsen: Baldwin-Wallace
    Ryan Ferguson: Baldwin-Wallace
    Tommy Sines: Mount Union
    Seth Ream: Ohio University
    Gabe Middleton: College of Wooster (thought I believe he had an offer from Yale)
    I think Paul Kelby or Zach Douglass from this year's team has a BigTen D1 offer, but don't quote me.
    There are probably others I'm forgetting.
    (I know several of the above opted for smaller schools so they could play as underclassmen, as well as a bunch who were given offers, but opted not to play.)

    Good info!

    If they decided to go to a smaller school to get more PT then good for them...or if they didn't want to play college football at all, I was just going off what I knew....I knew a lot of them went to smaller schools, but don't remember anything written in the papers about them having big school offers.

    also, Orr from Smithville is at Ball State.....forgot that one.