Is it time for private schools to have theyre own playoffs in football

• skank

  

  Rocket08;603527 wrote:

  skank;603320 wrote:
  No, we have nothing in common. My school wins State Championships, (lots, on the field where it counts). And your school recruits transfers like crazy and has nothing to show for it
  
  Nope, we don't have anything in common
  
  Try again
  
  P.S. Since you're Mr. Vocabulary on here, even though you screw up more than anyone, alot isn't a word
  
  Nice education at good old Washington HS
  
  NOT
  
  That's another thing we don't have in common, your school is deficient, mine is stunningly excellent
  
  Sorry hater

  
  Ok, where do I go with this masterpiece? Thank you for pointing out my error, I must have been absent that day. YOUR school does win championships....that is true, but YOUR school is also one of the MAJOR offenders in the recruiting game....Coincidence? Ah....No. You make a sarcastic comment then pull out the old....NOT? Nice Garth, er....Wayne.

• september63

  

  Rocket08;602845 wrote:How many kids that started at McKinley are currently at Massillon?
  
  Let's start with that
  
  Your "recruiting" did not end 10 years ago, and you know it

  
  Was there ever an answer to this direct question? I may have missed?
• fish82

  

  Be Nice;603360 wrote:Hey fish...you just don't get it, do you? Recruit, recruit, recruit. What's wrong... can't you take it? No Catholic schools recruit? You're so in denial it's pathetic.

  Where did I ever say that no Catholic schools recruit?
• Be Nice

  fish, it's great to piss you off. Isn't the internet fun?
• fish82

  

  Be Nice;603770 wrote:fish, it's great to piss you off. Isn't the internet fun?

  Pissed off? You wish, Sparky....I'm laughing my ass off in fact. Carry on!
• aged jock

  skank;602406 wrote:More
  
  http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=175846
  
  I'm quite sure there are similarities between this situation and "our" situation.

  
  I agree. It's about time that ALL those public schools, in which the government PAYS ALL THE TUITION FOR ALL THE PLAYERS, should be investigated, and none of those players whose tuition is paid should be allowed to play any sports.
• skank

  

  aged jock;604401 wrote:I agree. It's about time that ALL those public schools, in which the government PAYS ALL THE TUITION FOR ALL THE PLAYERS, should be investigated, and none of those players whose tuition is paid should be allowed to play any sports.

  
  So that's it huh? You guys feel since you're paying the tuition in scholarship form, you actually have a right to go out and get these kids.
• Rocket08

  skank;603548 wrote:

  Rocket08;603527 wrote: YOUR school is also one of the MAJOR offenders in the recruiting game....Coincidence? Ah..

  
  Really
  
  Who'd they recruit? When? How do you know? Who reported it?
  
  Or are you just full of BS
  
  What's the answer to the question about the McKinley transfers?
  
  Another one: How many times has Massillon been on probation?
  
  How many times combined has Mooney Ursuline, St Ed's, St Ignatius been on probation?

• skank

  

  Rocket08;604573 wrote:

  skank;603548 wrote:
  Really
  
  Who'd they recruit? When? How do you know? Who reported it?
  
  Or are you just full of BS
  
  What's the answer to the question about the McKinley transfers?
  
  Another one: How many times has Massillon been on probation?
  
  How many times combined has Mooney Ursuline, St Ed's, St Ignatius been on probation?

  This is my point, Massillon has gotten in trouble in the past for actions that are commonplace in the parochial schools.

• Al Bundy

  skank;604578 wrote:

  Rocket08;604573 wrote: This is my point, Massillon has gotten in trouble in the past for actions that are commonplace in the parochial schools.

  
  Massillon has openly recruited kids and been caught. Their boosters continue to bring kids in by any means possible. If any school is breaking rules, they should be punished. If you have evidence that some school is breaking rules, turn them in. If not, STFU. I know you grew up in an era where everyone was just given trophies instead of actually having to earn them. So, now you have to cry and whine when you school isn't given a trophy.

• skank

  

  Al Bundy;604669 wrote:

  skank;604578 wrote:
  Massillon has openly recruited kids and been caught. Their boosters continue to bring kids in by any means possible. If any school is breaking rules, they should be punished. If you have evidence that some school is breaking rules, turn them in. If not, STFU. I know you grew up in an era where everyone was just given trophies instead of actually having to earn them. So, now you have to cry and whine when you school isn't given a trophy.

  
  How the hell do you know what era I grew up in? And right back at ya, if you know for sure like you claim that Massillon Boosters "bring in kids by any means possible", do something about it, or YOU STFU. I don't want a trophy handed to anyone, it just gets tiring of seeing kids in public schools work their asses off, just like the parochials, only to get beat by a 7 county all star team every year. Yeah yeah, I know what you're gonna say next, "how many different states does Massillon have kids from?" You gotta take that up with Diebold.

• skank

  

  Al Bundy;604669 wrote:

  skank;604578 wrote:
  Massillon has openly recruited kids and been caught. Their boosters continue to bring kids in by any means possible. If any school is breaking rules, they should be punished. If you have evidence that some school is breaking rules, turn them in. If not, STFU. I know you grew up in an era where everyone was just given trophies instead of actually having to earn them. So, now you have to cry and whine when you school isn't given a trophy.

  
  This is EXACTLY what I said, "Massillon has gotten in trouble in the past for actions that are commonplace in the parochial schools."

• genghis dong

  skank;604683 wrote:

  Al Bundy;604669 wrote:
  This is EXACTLY what I said, "Massillon has gotten in trouble in the past for actions that are commonplace in the parochial schools."

  If it's so commonplace why haven't these parochial schools got in trouble? Don't give me that shit that the OHSAA turns a blind eye to it, and just picks on the poor public schools either.

• fish82

  

  Yet another example of those cheating bastages doing anything to keep the poor publics down. Oh, wait......never mind.
  
  http://www.sportsink.com/NewsDetail/tabid/259/tblNewsID/2632/Default.aspx
  
  On the bright side, skank can now justify always losing to D3 Buchtel.
• Al Bundy

  skank;604677 wrote:

  Al Bundy;604669 wrote:
  How the hell do you know what era I grew up in? And right back at ya, if you know for sure like you claim that Massillon Boosters "bring in kids by any means possible", do something about it, or YOU STFU. I don't want a trophy handed to anyone, it just gets tiring of seeing kids in public schools work their asses off, just like the parochials, only to get beat by a 7 county all star team every year. Yeah yeah, I know what you're gonna say next, "how many different states does Massillon have kids from?" You gotta take that up with Diebold.

  
  Skank, you are very predictable. You go back to crying, whining, and making excuses. I will quit talking about all the kids the Massillon has brought in when you quit talking about kids that other schools have brought in.

• skank

  

  genghis dong;604781 wrote:

  skank;604683 wrote: If it's so commonplace why haven't these parochial schools got in trouble? Don't give me that shit that the OHSAA turns a blind eye to it, and just picks on the poor public schools either.

  
  Ah....Isn't this kind of the idea of this thread? I mean, how many times have I asked this during the lifetime of this thread? Fifteen? Twenty? History kind of leads us in that direction now doesn't it? Moeller with their three state all star teams of the '70's and '80's....Ignatius with their 7 county all star teams currently, Mooney and Ursuline....Free reign to....well, to do whatever they want.

• skank

  

  fish82;604912 wrote:Yet another example of those cheating bastages doing anything to keep the poor publics down. Oh, wait......never mind.
  
  http://www.sportsink.com/NewsDetail/tabid/259/tblNewsID/2632/Default.aspx
  
  On the bright side, skank can now justify always losing to D3 Buchtel.

  
  First of all, a complaint has been filed, nothing more. I applaud them for this, if it's true. Maybe, since they played a parochial school for the Championship and saw first hand the merits of recruiting, they thought this might get them over the hump.
  
  Justify ALWAYS losing to Buchtel? Son, your fishing needs work. I'll take an .800 winning pct. over a good program like Buchtel anyday.
• skank

  

  Al Bundy;604922 wrote:

  skank;604677 wrote:
  Skank, you are very predictable. You go back to crying, whining, and making excuses. I will quit talking about all the kids the Massillon has brought in when you quit talking about kids that other schools have brought in.

  
  As are you, and the rest of your cohorts, I guess if I were benefiting from some kind of advantage, I would go to great lengths to cover it up and/or downplay it also.
  
  I don't see this issue being dropped for a while, but it is good to see you at least admit it. (RED)

• sherm03

  

  Alright skank...you keep mentioning the "Parochial Advantage." If there is such a great advantage that parochials have, it would stand to reason that private schools would dominate all regions a majority of the time. But, that's not the case. In fact, a private schools has played another private school for a state championship only 32 times (that's across all divisions). We have had an all-public state championship 66 times. Breakdown by division:
  D1: All private final - 8 times. All public final - 10 times.
  D2: All private final - 3 times. All public final - 18 times.
  D3: All private final - 9 times. All public final - 8 times.
  D4: All private final - 2 times. All public final - 12 times.
  D5: All private final - 5 times. All public final - 12 times.
  D6: All private final - 5 times. All public final - 8 times.
  
  So either a lot of teams don't know about this "PA," or it just doesn't exist. Because I would think that if there was such a great advantage for parochial schools, there would be a lot more all-private finals.
  
  But, I just use facts...so what do I know?
• Havin Fun

  I think a simple and fair solution would be to continue having all six title games but limit D V and VI to public schools only. All private schools would have to play in either D I, II, III or IV. The smaller public schools simply do not have enough eligible kids to compete year in year out with a private school that is drawing from multiple counties. Private schools have virtually no mentally or physicaly handicapped students in their enrollment numbers while public schools have 12-15% of student population that fits this description.
  
  Take a D-VI school with 30 boys in a class or 120 boys 9-12. Figure the district is limited to kids who live in a small geographical area, rarely gets even one open enrolled student and then remove 12-15% who are handicapped. The odds of competiting with a Delphos St. Johns are slim to none. My guess is DSJ would rather play in a much tougher title game as well so under my idea they would play in the D-IV playoff and actually be able to take more pride in winning against a much better opponent.
• Al Bundy

  skank;604938 wrote:
  As are you, and the rest of your cohorts, I guess if I were benefiting from some kind of advantage, I would go to great lengths to cover it up and/or downplay it also.
  
  I don't see this issue being dropped for a while, but it is good to see you at least admit it. (RED)

  I am a public school guy, so I am not sure who my cohorts are. I just know that your crying, whining, and excuses get old. Hopefully some day you grow up and develop a work ethic and learn that not everyone should receive a trophy for just participating.
• sherm03

  

  Havin Fun;605025 wrote:I think a simple and fair solution would be to continue having all six title games but limit D V and VI to public schools only. All private schools would have to play in either D I, II, III or IV. The smaller public schools simply do not have enough eligible kids to compete year in year out with a private school that is drawing from multiple counties. Private schools have virtually no mentally or physicaly handicapped students in their enrollment numbers while public schools have 12-15% of student population that fits this description.
  
  Take a D-VI school with 30 boys in a class or 120 boys 9-12. Figure the district is limited to kids who live in a small geographical area, rarely gets even one open enrolled student and then remove 12-15% who are handicapped. The odds of competiting with a Delphos St. Johns are slim to none. My guess is DSJ would rather play in a much tougher title game as well so under my idea they would play in the D-IV playoff and actually be able to take more pride in winning against a much better opponent.

  If this is your thinking, then I'm sorry...but you are absolutely wrong. No public schools can compete with private schools in D5 and D6? Really? Let's look at the state champions in those divisions...
  
  D5: 16 private championships / 23 public championships
  D6: 8 private championships / 9 public championships
  
  Move the private schools out of those divisions, and small public schools like St. Henry, Maria Stein Marion Local, Coldwater, and Versailles will win almost every state championship.
  
  Why do so many of you think that moving the privates up and out will create this amazing parity that wasn't there before? Look at the list of the state final appearances. It's the same names over and over and over again in the lower divisions. If you move the privates out of the low divisions, you might as well just hand the state title trophies to the MAC every year. Sure they aren't going to win every year. But they are going to win a whole lot more than they already do.
  
  And again, all of this talk about moving the private schools up is based on three schools in D5 and D6: Ursuline, DSJ, and Newark Catholic. There are plenty of other private schools in D5 and D6 who are lucky to finish 5-5 on the year. Why move them up?
  
  Private schools are on a run right now. Nobody was complaining when public schools won 10 out of 11 state titles in D4 from 1993-2003. And during that time frame, only 2 private schools even made the state title game. So for 11 state championship games, we saw public vs. public 9 times, and saw a private vs. public final twice (with Ursuline winning one and Cleveland VASJ losing the other). Nobody talked about a multiplier when the public schools played each other 8 times from 1994-2004 in D5. And of the 3 public vs. private matchups during that stretch, publics went 1-2...for a total of 9 state championships in that stretch. D6 is just a constant back and forth. 8 of the 9 state titles for public schools came in an all public final.
  
  So private schools are on a run right now in the lower divisions. But historically, that happens for both privates and publics. Why make a long lasting change to a system that has worked for years simply because the privates are doing well right now?
• Viking

  Change is almost here.
• sherm03

  

  Viking;605052 wrote:Change is almost here.

  Care to elaborate?
• Delphosfan

  Havin Fun;605025 wrote:I think a simple and fair solution would be to continue having all six title games but limit D V and VI to public schools only. All private schools would have to play in either D I, II, III or IV. The smaller public schools simply do not have enough eligible kids to compete year in year out with a private school that is drawing from multiple counties. Private schools have virtually no mentally or physicaly handicapped students in their enrollment numbers while public schools have 12-15% of student population that fits this description.
  
  Take a D-VI school with 30 boys in a class or 120 boys 9-12. Figure the district is limited to kids who live in a small geographical area, rarely gets even one open enrolled student and then remove 12-15% who are handicapped. The odds of competiting with a Delphos St. Johns are slim to none. My guess is DSJ would rather play in a much tougher title game as well so under my idea they would play in the D-IV playoff and actually be able to take more pride in winning against a much better opponent.

  12-15% of public school kids are physically or mentally handicapped?? So in a school of 1,000 kids (1-12), 120-150 (12-15 per grade) are handicapped? Where to those statistics come from? Who do you consider handicapped?
  
  Delphos straddles a county line and is bordered on the city limts to the north by another county, so yeah, DSJ has kids from three counties, but so does Delphos Jefferson. Have you been to Delphos? I'm guessing not. In these three counties, people are almost outnumbered by tractors around here. You may be very surprised at how many public schools have kids from three counties attending considering around 75% of Ohio public schools have open enrollment.
  
  As for competing with DSJ, MAC teams don't seem to have that problem. We've beaten Coldwater twice in ten years. We're 8-6 vs. Marion Local the past ten years with the last two games DSJ 13-7 ot and DSJ 17-13 on a last minute TD. We're 6-4 vs. St. Henry our last ten meetings. Even 5-5 Minster battled us very tough this year. Of course everyone seems to forget we were 2-8 in 2007 and 6-4 in 2006.