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Is it time for private schools to have theyre own playoffs in football

  • K_N_I_G_H_T_S
    Alma_Parker;602032 wrote:Right. Maybe the whinerbrigade re-read your elegant and data-laden posts from over the past couple weeks and concluded the 'case' they had on football was weak. And so moved on to swimming and wrestling. Oddly enough, and a bit ironically, the data uncovered there only proves your point more: it's a small number of top programs that produce consistently and public/private is in no way the obvious causal variable, even if private schools might have some 'advantage' around better general discipline and/or stronger sense of community which can help a coach accrete the many factors needed to make a program perform year after year.

    That said, I have to hand it to skank for coming clean and confessing that he could imagine that maybe once every ten or twenty years that an Orrville or an Ironton might compete with his mighty Tigers. Now that was never the point, as the debate (at least I thought) was strictly about whether the publics like Orrville and ironton and Massillon should be forced to compete for a 'state championship' which would go to the team that beat all the teams except for a handful of the best programs of their size, or whatever you would print on the juice box / trophy. That's the topic. Near as I can tell it's case closed. Not sure many folks want to spend time chasing down rumors of "recruiting" in swimming, but all interested should have at it.


    We hear it locally every day. I don't know where all these recruits everyone talks about the parochial going out to get but they are not here. We play hard nosed football and win that way. Div. IV is a tough division that beat up on Div. II and III champions. No matter how you multiply it we will play harder practice longer and lift more weights till we win. Dedication is a mother of all multipliers. Put that in your multiplier.
  • skank
    Alma_Parker;602032 wrote:Right. Maybe the whinerbrigade re-read your elegant and data-laden posts from over the past couple weeks and concluded the 'case' they had on football was weak. And so moved on to swimming and wrestling. Oddly enough, and a bit ironically, the data uncovered there only proves your point more: it's a small number of top programs that produce consistently and public/private is in no way the obvious causal variable, even if private schools might have some 'advantage' around better general discipline and/or stronger sense of community which can help a coach accrete the many factors needed to make a program perform year after year.

    That said, I have to hand it to skank for coming clean and confessing that he could imagine that maybe once every ten or twenty years that an Orrville or an Ironton might compete with his mighty Tigers. Now that was never the point, as the debate (at least I thought) was strictly about whether the publics like Orrville and ironton and Massillon should be forced to compete for a 'state championship' which would go to the team that beat all the teams except for a handful of the best programs of their size, or whatever you would print on the juice box / trophy. That's the topic. Near as I can tell it's case closed. Not sure many folks want to spend time chasing down rumors of "recruiting" in swimming, but all interested should have at it.


    It's called the big picture Sherlock. If someone in your town gets murdered by having their arms ripped off and being beaten to death by their own arms, and a day later, it happens in the town next to you....They're PROBABLY related.
  • Al Bundy
    skank;602194 wrote:[/B]

    It's called the big picture Sherlock. If someone in your town gets murdered by having their arms ripped off and being beaten to death by their own arms, and a day later, it happens in the town next to you....They're PROBABLY related.

    You don't look at the big picture. You only look at things that you think are wrong by private schools. You have made countless excuses why it is OK for your school to bring in a QB from another state. Either families have the right to choose the best school for their kids (the option that I prefer) or they don't. You jump back and forth on the issue depending upon which schools are being looked at.
  • Rocket08
    You didn't mention that it's OK for his school to hunt down players from other schools and have them transfer in to Massillon.

    Somehow that's OK, but everyone else has an "advantage"

    That's why he's a hypocrite, and no one on here, (other than coyotes) gives him any consideration
  • skank
    Al Bundy;602200 wrote:You don't look at the big picture. You only look at things that you think are wrong by private schools. You have made countless excuses why it is OK for your school to bring in a QB from another state. Either families have the right to choose the best school for their kids (the option that I prefer) or they don't. You jump back and forth on the issue depending upon which schools are being looked at.

    Massillon has been on probation before....yes. I don't condone recruiting, I don't care who is doing it. About 10 years ago, (give or take), A couple of boosters took a kid from Mansfield out to eat and tried to coherse him into moving to Massillon. THE VERY SECOND the administration caught wind of this, they, themselves called the OHSAA and basically turned themselves in, which I applauded them for.

    Please show me a post where I "made excuses" as for why it's ok for "my" school to "bring in" a QB from another state. Why don't you do us ALL a favor and call Diebold and ask them why they transfered one of their employees to Ohio....If they say they did it so the kid could play football for Massillon, I'll never post here again. And Finally, I can live with families choosing what's best for their kids, what I have a problem with is coaches nudging families into decisions, and helping those decisions with FREE educations for those kids.
  • skank
    Rocket08;602210 wrote:You didn't mention that it's OK for his school to hunt down players from other schools and have them transfer in to Massillon.

    Somehow that's OK, but everyone else has an "advantage"

    That's why he's a hypocrite, and no one on here, (other than coyotes) gives him any consideration

    If you have proof, please go right ahead.
  • skank
    At least one of the High School Athletic Associations are doing their job.


    http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Florida-school-handed-massive-142-500-fine-for-?urn=highschool-296128
  • fish82
    skank;602295 wrote:If you have proof, please go right ahead.
    Wow....loves me some irony.
  • Al Bundy
    skank;602293 wrote:Massillon has been on probation before....yes. I don't condone recruiting, I don't care who is doing it. About 10 years ago, (give or take), A couple of boosters took a kid from Mansfield out to eat and tried to coherse him into moving to Massillon. THE VERY SECOND the administration caught wind of this, they, themselves called the OHSAA and basically turned themselves in, which I applauded them for.

    Please show me a post where I "made excuses" as for why it's ok for "my" school to "bring in" a QB from another state. Why don't you do us ALL a favor and call Diebold and ask them why they transfered one of their employees to Ohio....If they say they did it so the kid could play football for Massillon, I'll never post here again. And Finally, I can live with families choosing what's best for their kids, what I have a problem with is coaches nudging families into decisions, and helping those decisions with FREE educations for those kids.

    If you have proof, please go right ahead.

    How many of the kids that Massillon has brought in over the years have received a FREE education?
  • skank
    More

    http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=175846

    I'm quite sure there are similarities between this situation and "our" situation.
  • Dean Wormer
    K_N_I_G_H_T_S;602122 wrote:We hear it locally every day. I don't know where all these recruits everyone talks about the parochial going out to get but they are not here. We play hard nosed football and win that way. Div. IV is a tough division that beat up on Div. II and III champions. No matter how you multiply it we will play harder practice longer and lift more weights till we win. Dedication is a mother of all multipliers. Put that in your multiplier.
    This guy gets it!! Congratulations on a very intelligent post.
  • fish82
    skank;602406 wrote:More

    http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=175846

    I'm quite sure there are similarities between this situation and "our" situation.
    Massillon? Probably so.
  • Red Rider Nation
    skank;599886 wrote:Is that how you explain

    since 2000

    Upper Arlington 1 app.
    WGH 1 app
    McK 1 app
    HD 2 app
    Glenville 1 app
    Solon 1 app
    Colerain 1 app
    Massillon 1 app
    Mentor 2 app
    HHW 1 app

    11 years 10 different public schools get a shot.

    A big Congratulations goes out to Skank! He is officially on here so much that he is a loser with no life!!!!!! Congrats man u are the best at what you do! Glad my tax dollars can support your food stamps and internet expense
  • etak
    skank;602295 wrote:If you have proof, please go right ahead.

    Kettle, meet pot.
  • Rocket08
    skank;602295 wrote:If you have proof, please go right ahead.

    How many kids that started at McKinley are currently at Massillon?

    Let's start with that

    Your "recruiting" did not end 10 years ago, and you know it
  • Be Nice
    Many should read the article about Elyria Catholic in yesterday's (December 15th) Columbus Dispatch sports section on page C 2. And yet many are in such denial.
  • fish82
    Be Nice;602993 wrote:Many should read the article about Elyria Catholic in yesterday's (December 15th) Columbus Dispatch sports section on page C 2. And yet many are in such denial.
    Again, public school Trotwood Madison just came off 2 years probation for the same offenses as EC. You'd be wise to stop humping the EC situation. It really does nothing to advance your argument.
  • Bigdogg
    Dean Wormer;602429 wrote:This guy gets it!! Congratulations on a very intelligent post.

    One private school guy agreeing with another....who would have thought they agree and"get it";)
  • skank
    Rocket08;602845 wrote:How many kids that started at McKinley are currently at Massillon?

    Let's start with that

    Your "recruiting" did not end 10 years ago, and you know it[/QUOTE]

    If not....I guess we have alot in common then huh?
  • Dean Wormer
    Bigdogg;603060 wrote:One private school guy agreeing with another....who would have thought they agree and"get it";)
    Maybe we just realize that hard work, dedication, and good coaching makes quite a difference no matter if you're a public or private school. Or doesn't that concept make sense to you? If it doesn't than you just don't "GET IT."
  • skank
    Dean Wormer;603344 wrote:Maybe we just realize that hard work, dedication, and good coaching makes quite a difference no matter if you're a public or private school. Or doesn't that concept make sense to you? If it doesn't than you just don't "GET IT."

    What a concept....Seriously, who doesn't know that hard work, dedication, desire, heart, mental toughness, etc....etc....etc....Make a difference. You think you parochial school guys are the only ones who know that? You guys have that precious "PA", and you'll go to any lenghts to protect it, including trying to bamboozle us into buying into your...."we work hard", "our kids want it more", philosophy.
  • Be Nice
    Hey fish...you just don't get it, do you? Recruit, recruit, recruit. What's wrong... can't you take it? No Catholic schools recruit? You're so in denial it's pathetic.
  • coyotes22
    Rocket08;602210 wrote:You didn't mention that it's OK for his school to hunt down players from other schools and have them transfer in to Massillon.

    Somehow that's OK, but everyone else has an "advantage"

    That's why he's a hypocrite, and no one on here, (other than coyotes) gives him any consideration

    Why is my name being brought up? I dont stand with skank on this issue. If you have read this thread you would have seen that.
  • skank
    fish82;603049 wrote:Again, public school Trotwood Madison just came off 2 years probation for the same offenses as EC. You'd be wise to stop humping the EC situation. It really does nothing to advance your argument.

    Maybe he, (and all the rest of us public school guys), are just a little surprised that the OHSAA is finally cracking down on things that they usually look the other way about.
  • Rocket08
    skank;603320 wrote:
    Rocket08;602845 wrote:How many kids that started at McKinley are currently at Massillon?

    Let's start with that

    Your "recruiting" did not end 10 years ago, and you know it[/QUOTE]

    If not....I guess we have alot in common then huh?

    No, we have nothing in common. My school wins State Championships, (lots, on the field where it counts). And your school recruits transfers like crazy and has nothing to show for it

    Nope, we don't have anything in common

    Try again

    P.S. Since you're Mr. Vocabulary on here, even though you screw up more than anyone, alot isn't a word

    Nice education at good old Washington HS

    NOT

    That's another thing we don't have in common, your school is deficient, mine is stunningly excellent

    Sorry hater