Is it time for private schools to have theyre own playoffs in football

• sherm03

  

  Be Nice;587425 wrote: fish..you try so hard on this site, but yet the majority of your posts are so idiotic. You, Mr. fish, are clueless. Christmas is right around the corner. Hooked on Phonics is a gift you might want to wish for.

  
  "Hello, Pot? This is Kettle..."
• etak

  Alma_Parker;587405 wrote:etak you're confused. 'their' here is like 'their kids,' meaning being part of the same group as, not owning, like 'their car.' Like you might say "my kids" meaning the ones in your family. instead of hunting for jock to make what you perceive as a semantic miscue, try to refute his logic. Oh wait, that won't work.

  
  Yep, Alma_Parker, I got jock's point the first time around and agree with him/her 110%, like I do with you on most posts. No semantic miscue perceived and clearly, no need to refute his logic - he's right.
• Alma_Parker

  queencitybuckeye;587279 wrote:Far more hollow would be a separation where a team like Shadyside could bve considered a "state champion". People holding that position should be embarrassed.

  
  Have tried to make this point many times. Ironton would never play in a 'lesser' D-IV where you would tell the kids if they won "Congrats, you are state champs, sorta." The kids there know that they've lost the title game to Benedictine and to Wauseon and to Lake Catholic and to Sandusky Perkins. They know they've beaten Akron St. V-M and they've beaten Campbell Memorial, etc. They don't parse the losses into two piles ('we were almost champs' versus 'we were really champs but got screwed,' nor the wins into two piles ('we were champs' versus 'we got lucky and beat St. Bogeyman even though skank says it can't be done.') The loser-victim thinking just doesn't fly with winners. Otherwise poor small publics from the south like Ironton and Wheelersburg would never win anything, much less be perennial powers. Yikes, it is just so hard to try to imagine what it's like with the victim headset on.
• Alma_Parker

  skank;587289 wrote:Great post, I will tell you that I have seen some pretty darn good teams here in Massillon, but as I have said before, the "parochial advantage' HAS really derailed our program, I mean to play the Moeller tri state all star team in the '80s, the Ignatius Greater NEO all star teams in the '90s and '00s, then we run into the St X parochial power in the 05 title game. The 91 team was loaded with talent, talent that went on to OSU, BGSU, Kentucky, Toledo, Mich. State, Another to Kentucky, another to BGSU, Mt. Union. western Ky. and we still couldn't beat your all star team that year, maybe you're right.

  
  I don't know as much about the north, but wasn't Massilon the team that was really good before they used to actually play the games and they just asked people who they thought might be good? And you don't exactly help your argument when you 'remember' that Massilon had all the college-play-capable athletes and the teams they lost to didn't. And you still lost. Due to discipline and focus, presumably.
• Be Nice

  sherm...now you're really showing your age. LOL
• sirclovis

  Be Nice;587425 wrote:Tierman...very, very true, but the OHSAA is balless. They've turned a blind eye to this "joke" for years. Truth be known the majority of the board is probably Catholic.
  
  clovis..you now have 7 little posts. That tells me you are new to this site and haven't even come close to reading my other posts or even those of others who feel the same way I do. And yet you say I don't explain myself? Yes, your team won. Good for you. Are they the best team in Ohio at your division? Being handed a trophy DOESN"T make you the best, because your teams not. You won going through the playoff system. If your team was in region 16 it would have been one and done. You were declared state champs, but your team is not the best. Sorry.
  
  fish..you try so hard on this site, but yet the majority of your posts are so idiotic. You, Mr. fish, are clueless. Christmas is right around the corner. Hooked on Phonics is a gift you might want to wish for.

  
  Hahaha wow. Again what is your logic about Hartley losing in region 16? Am I correct in stating that Hartley beat Alter? Also, am I correct that Alter won region 16? I just don't understand your logic. That has nothing to do with reading every post you have ever posted on a forum.
  
  Furthermore, you saying, "You won going through the playoff system" like its a bad thing makes absolutely no sense. It sounds like all those people who are proponents of the BCS over a playoff system in college football. The playoff system is the best way to determine a TRUE CHAMPION. I just don't understand a better way of determining a champion. Enlighten me
• Alma_Parker

  aged jock;587301 wrote:Being from Massillon, has it occurred to you that the great Paul Brown teams were great because Paul Brown was coach? Maybe Steuby fans should realize that Reno has something to do with their success? Do you think leadership, drive, inspiration, belief or other intangibles have something to do with success on the field and in everyday life? I don't know, but just maybe you guys should start looking there instead of going right to the R word because you just can't figure out why some privates do pretty well at the higher echelons of sports and everything else.

  
  Great point, jock. There was a day when folks in Ironton got confused that maybe it was something in the water or god's gift to them and than ran Coach Lutz off for a couple years. And guess what? They fell apart, despite momentum. Then the smarter folks in town talked him out of retirement and after one 5-5 season they're back on track over the the last three years. It's programs folks, starting with coaches. skank, even you must be able to admit that Paul Brown might have had an impact and that the recent guys haven't quite been Paul Brown? (Or Reno, or Gerry Faust, or Bob Lutz)?
• fish82

  

  Be Nice;587425 wrote: clovis..you now have 7 little posts. That tells me you are new to this site and haven't even come close to reading my other posts or even those of others who feel the same way I do. And yet you say I don't explain myself? Yes, your team won. Good for you. Are they the best team in Ohio at your division? Being handed a trophy DOESN"T make you the best, because your teams not. You won going through the playoff system. If your team was in region 16 it would have been one and done. You were declared state champs, but your team is not the best. Sorry.

  Now I think I've read it all. This is literary brilliance.
  

  Be Nice;587425 wrote:fish..you try so hard on this site, but yet the majority of your posts are so idiotic. You, Mr. fish, are clueless. Christmas is right around the corner. Hooked on Phonics is a gift you might want to wish for.

  Dude, I'm not trying at all. It'll take someone with a little more mental horsepower than you to get me to break a sweat on here. Keep up the good fight, though...it's at least entertaining.
• Alma_Parker

  wags6817;587318 wrote:All I'm saying is that Delphos could have beaten every D-6 team in the state that bad. Shadyside had a great year, just like Coldwater has but they may give up 70+ today to.

  
  Weird, I thought I'd read somewhere that Delphos had a couple pretty touch games in D-VI during the regular season... maybe I'm wrong.
• sherm03

  

  Be Nice;587447 wrote:sherm...now you're really showing your age. LOL

  
  How? Because it's ironic that someone who hasn't strung together a single logic thought or sentence on this topic was trying to rip someone for the same thing? And I like to point out when someone does something stupid like that?
  
  Why do you keep laughing at your own posts, too? You haven't said anything remotely funny yet. But you continue to add multiple "LOL's" and "hahahaha's" to each of your posts. You don't need to type those more than once in a row in a post. We get that you think you are hilarious. Typing "LOL" multiple times in a post doesn't make sense...it just makes you look like you're really dumb.
  
  Anyways...sorry for that sidebar. Continue on with your ramblings about unfair advantages and whatever the hell else you were talking about...I'll be over here waiting for your witty retort, which I'm sure you will find hilarious while the rest of us will just find sad and disappointing.
• etak

  Alma_Parker;587426 wrote:aged, when folks have never been in a system, they have a hard time imagining what it would be like. Then they get intimidated and imagine to themselves that excellence (in football, debate, chess, whatever) is somehow 'beyond them.' So they feel bad. Next, they create a bogeyman to feel better again, like "the Catholics." (I suppose skank's cousins in Utah think it's "the Mormons."). Meanwhile, what the folks in Orrville and Coldwater and Versailles and Steubenville and Ironton and Kenton know is that it's right in front of them, that anybody is in fact capable of discipline and focus and persistence. Get the grade schools and 7th and 8th graders all running the HS offense for 5-10 years and it starts to really take hold. Get the parents all to understand that if a kids goofs off, even if he's from an 'important' family or a top athlete, that he's GONE from the program; take the hit that accrues from dropping those kids for a few years... and a little more takes hold. Make sure kids know starting at 6 that when you score you hand the ball to the ref without a dance or a gesture (act like you've been there before because you and your brothers and uncles have been there). It takes awhile, but it's called a program. And it's not about private or public. It's not about bogeymen. It's just good football.

  
  Amen. Hallelujah, Alma_Parker - and I teach my public school-educated kids that every day - it's MY program too. Not just good for football, but good for life. You should try it skank.
• Be Nice

  sherm...are you as stupid looking as you sound? I've explained my point many a time. Sorry you can't comprehend it.
  
  ...and keep on trying to justify the good ole' non recriut Catholic way. You, pal, only see one side to this problem. Many of us see the other.
  
  sherm...you are a sad, sad man. I wish you all the luck in the world.
• sherm03

  

  Be Nice;587480 wrote:sherm...are you as stupid looking as you sound? I've explained my point many a time. Sorry you can't comprehend it.
  
  ...and keep on trying to justify the good ole' non recriut Catholic way. You, pal, only see one side to this problem. Many of us see the other.
  
  ...and by the way my LOL's are only laughing at you even more now.

  Yep...I see the side with stats and facts and figures. You see the side blinded by unfounded hatred and jealousy.
• Be Nice

  Good bye, sherman. Have a lovely day.
• Delphosfan

  Alma_Parker;587457 wrote:Weird, I thought I'd read somewhere that Delphos had a couple pretty touch games in D-VI during the regular season... maybe I'm wrong.

  DSJ only played four Div VI schools before the playoffs, all MAC teams.
  
  DSJ 17 Marion Local 13 DSJ scored the winning TD with 1:03 to go.
  DSJ 35 Minster 7 last second TD makes it 21-0 at the half, DSJ subs score late to make it 35-7. Minster finished 5-5 but made regional finals
  DSJ 50 New Bremen 16 scoreless after the first quarter
  DSJ 49 Fort Recovery 0
• Delphosfan

  CenterBHSFan;586723 wrote:In the case of Shadyside/Delphose, has anybody brought up strength of schedule yet? I haven't read all the posts, so I don't know, just asking.
  I'm a fan of the OVAC in general, but the interplaying competition isn't like playing in the MAC. I'm not bashing the OVAC and I'm not putting the MAC on a shrine, it just is what it is.
  *which is the only reason why I've been against the Buckeye 8*

  DSJ's schedule
  Lima Central Catholic Div V state semi-finalist, lost to Ursuline 51-36
  Hillsdale Div V regional runner-up, lost to LCC
  Minster Div VI regional runner-up, lost to Sidney Lehman
  Anna Div V playoffs, lost to Coldwater
  St. Henry Div V
  Versailles Div V
  Coldwater Div V state runner-up, lost to Ursuline
  Fort Recovery Div VI
  Marion Local Div VI regional semi-finalist, lost to Minster
  New Bremen Div VI
  
  The MAC had five playoff teams including four regional finalists. DSJ's non-league games were with two Div V playoff teams: state semi-finalist and regional runner-up
  
  DSJ also played five former state champs: St. Henry and Versailles, 6 state titles each, Marion Local 4 state titles, Coldwater 2 state titles and Minster 1 state title.
  
  Tough schedule.
• skank

  

  Alma_Parker;587444 wrote:I don't know as much about the north, but wasn't Massilon the team that was really good before they used to actually play the games and they just asked people who they thought might be good? And you don't exactly help your argument when you 'remember' that Massilon had all the college-play-capable athletes and the teams they lost to didn't. And you still lost. Due to discipline and focus, presumably.

  
  
  I never said the teams they lost to didn't....The teams they lost to had kids from the tri state area, kids from all over the greater Cleveland area, kids from the City of Cincinnati. Furthermore, I wouldn't presume if I were you, because your presumption is wrong, the leader of that team was Lee Owens, who went directly to OSU as an assistant.
• Sonofanump

  skank;587244 wrote:Here's what I propose, remember the NFL Europe? On the uniforms of the players they wore the logos of the NFL team they were affiliated with? That's what we should make the parochials do. A kid from Ignatius, he was recruited from Brecksville, he wears a Brecksville Bees logo on his jersey.

  
  So a few years ago Massillon would have had a QB with Orrville Red Riders on his uni? Just so I am clear.
• Alma_Parker

  Be Nice;587487 wrote:Good bye, sherman. Have a lovely day.

  
  I'm with sherm on this one. He continues to convicingly and perspicuously lay out facts. skank and his like-minded continue to whinily lash out wth ad hominem vitriol. And the team I support is public. Then again, they've been to the playoffs a lot. They didn't get much attention in the days of the polls without playoff games, but in recent history, say, since 1972, they've had pretty good run. Good programs make good football, public or private, big or small, north or south or central, rich or poor. Whiners who complain that 'it's not fair' demean their own teams and players; they hurt, not help. Sometimes Ironton fans get confused and complain when they have to drive (again) five hours to Massillon or similar to play a playoff game. Guess what, the real supporters, the ones who know whining degrades the program, get them in line. Then they show up and focus on the positive and give the kids something to be proud of, their community's confidence in them. Whiners degrade a team's chances. Sadly, all the energy of the naysayers on this board only hurts the teams they purport to support. Now that's (actually) ironic.
• Alma_Parker

  Delphosfan;587499 wrote:DSJ only played four Div VI schools before the playoffs, all MAC teams.
  
  DSJ 17 Marion Local 13 DSJ scored the winning TD with 1:03 to go.
  DSJ 35 Minster 7 last second TD makes it 21-0 at the half, DSJ subs score late to make it 35-7. Minster finished 5-5 but made regional finals
  DSJ 50 New Bremen 16 scoreless after the first quarter
  DSJ 49 Fort Recovery 0

  
  Then my bad; only one close one with D-VI. (But there was one.. unlike the jealous folks on this site who are convinced DSJ'r roster is composed of kids from all corners of Ohio and five other states would contend.. )
  
  Congrats on having a great program!! Don't let the whiners diminish your pride an iota; not everybody feels the way they do!
• Al Bundy

  Sonofanump;587570 wrote:So a few years ago Massillon would have had a QB with Orrville Red Riders on his uni? Just so I am clear.

  
  and QB this year would have the state of Oregon on his uni.
• Alma_Parker

  skank;587528 wrote:I never said the teams they lost to didn't....The teams they lost to had kids from the tri state area, kids from all over the greater Cleveland area, kids from the City of Cincinnati. Furthermore, I wouldn't presume if I were you, because your presumption is wrong, the leader of that team was Lee Owens, who went directly to OSU as an assistant.

  
  skank, it's cool how your 'replies' don't relate the the alleged antecdent or, for that matter, parse as grammatical standard written English. Sorry you feel so bad. And sorry you miss the point. The kids in Ironton know the team they play each week from the film they watch. Meanwhile you're running DNA tests to figure out why you'll lose due to which end of the Olduvai their ancestors strode out of. Ask yourself these questions: "Am i feeling helpless in my situation?" "Do I often blame others?" "Does my attitude have a deleterious effect on those around me and inadvertently embolden my rivals by hinting at my lack of mental toughness?" If the other 'supporters' of the teams you support infect the community and team with your mentality, the next thing you know, everything is off the rails and you've got a self-fulfilling prophecy, a vicious circle. You've got blamestorming sessions where others have pep rallies! Tough way to live... at least you've gradually become blind to it.
• Be Nice

  Alma... tell us how it feels to live in your perfect little football world where only your beliefs are conveniently located within that small egotistical mind of yours. How does it feel to be perfect and never be wrong in your opinions and minds eye? Seriously, how does it feel? Perhaps life has dealt you a harsh blow. Perhaps you weren't the jock you wanted to be in HS, but instead set the bench praying for better days. Perhaps your coach finally called your name, go get'em alma, only to get in, but to sadly have a public school linebacker hand you your teeth back with a shrug and smile on his face. Perhaps this is your way to get even with the HS world of publics vs privates. What a sad and pathetic little individual you seem to be. It must be a lonely existence for someone that is never wrong, but probably also has nobody in his life to relate these feelings to except his little keyboard, mouse and monitor. You probably feel invinceable once you push that magical button on your computor. Time to get to work and prove these public HS bastards wrong. What a pathetic little life you must lead.
• Thinthickbigred

  sherm03;587486 wrote:Yep...I see the side with stats and facts and figures. You see the side blinded by unfounded hatred and jealousy.

  
  the fact is Ytown has a huge advatage because that city is one of the bigger towns in Ohio and you guys get the pick of the litter in that whole town ..while you play a small town of 5,000 ..they dont have that luxory..and before you come back with the same ole open enrollemnt BS ...Ill just tell you we had one guy that came from another school and play for us and we didnt get a recruitment violation....How many of your boys would have normally gone to a public school .....................Ill answer that ..most of the good ones ...Ursulin same thing how bout that star back what school would he have gone to ...Unfair advantage ...We need to kick these outlaw progerams out of our football tourny .....
• aged jock

  Be Nice;587639 wrote:Alma... tell us how it feels to live in your perfect little football world where only your beliefs are conveniently located within that small egotistical mind of yours. How does it feel to be perfect and never be wrong in your opinions and minds eye? Seriously, how does it feel? Perhaps life has dealt you a harsh blow. Perhaps you weren't the jock you wanted to be in HS, but instead set the bench praying for better days. Perhaps your coach finally called your name, go get'em alma, only to get in, but to sadly have a public school linebacker hand you your teeth back with a shrug and smile on his face. Perhaps this is your way to get even with the HS world of publics vs privates. What a sad and pathetic little individual you seem to be. It must be a lonely existence for someone that is never wrong, but probably also has nobody in his life to relate these feelings to except his little keyboard, mouse and monitor. You probably feel invinceable once you push that magical button on your computor. Time to get to work and prove these public HS bastards wrong. What a pathetic little life you must lead.

  
  Talk about pot meeting kettle.
  
  Are you saying your officiating will have any kind of bias? Trying to insert your own kind of "multiplier"? Your job as an official is to call 'em as you see 'em under the rules, regardless of outcome, regardless of identity of the competitors. If you're not doing that, you're the smallest of the small.
  
  Being successful is about being a stand-up guy and doing what's right no matter what your point of view or bias. I'll say a little prayer for you tonight. Hopefully you'll think about what you just wrote on here.