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Is it time for private schools to have theyre own playoffs in football

  • 1_beast
    lol
  • sirclovis
    Be Nice;589352 wrote:miss alma...not asleep, just enjoying all the bullshit you spew on this site. Some men are intelligent, but others pretend to be. The ones that aren't, including yourself, are the ones that perhaps have no purpose in life except to pine over how things should have been. "Here's my opinion. It is the word for I am never wrong". Well, Mr. Vince Lombardi double talker bullshitter, you have absolutely no one fooled, but yourself. You, my friend, are a fraud hiding behind your little mouse, keyboard and monitor pretending, only in your minds eye to be the great Oz of Ohio HS football. Have you ever watched Andy Griffith? I'm sure you have. Why? Because of your stupidity in many of your rebuttals it leads 4 of us on here to believe your character in life is none other than Don Knotts. You, Mr. Vince Lombardi double talker bullshitter of Ohio HS football, win the award of idiot clown for Ohio HS football. Congratulations, you truly deserve it.
    Wow Be Nice.. You officially have no argument . Alma_Parker has put out incredibly detailed and concise information and all you do is bash Alma_Parker for being logical. I just can't believe that you think providing logic to one's argument equates to this statement : "Some men are intelligent, but others pretend to be. The ones that aren't, including yourself, are the ones that perhaps have no purpose in life except to pine over how things should have been." That last part is extremely funny because that is exactly what YOU are doing Be Nice. Just complaining over what could have been if all the privates were shipped away to another division and your beloved team wins a tainted championship.
  • NNN
    skank;588898 wrote:Or, you could be like Watterson, turn it over, what 6....7 times, IN THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME....and still win.

    So what? I've seen teams win games by double digits despite being outgained by close to 400 yards and while scoring just one offensive touchdown. It's football, weird stuff happens.

    Or are you suggesting some type of magical advantage for Watterson? Tell you what. There's five schools in the CCL. I want a complete list of the kids on those five schools who did not come through the feeder system.
  • Thinthickbigred
    Alma_Parker;589280 wrote:Is this really supposed to be a counter? Gosh, maybe you're right, the Watterson thing isn't an isolated incident where a team survived a fairly lousy turnover condition due to extraordinary defense and there really isn't a negative correlation between turning it over and winning. I might have it wrong but I thought I'd heard that Buchtel was an offensive machine this year, scoring like crazy (although somebody told me they did get to five touchdowns by an average D-I school (something or other Washington, I think). I've never seen anybody so resilient to logic or data. Or even common sense. Now another thread has opened up on here. Looks eerily similar to this one. Somebody opens with some hardcore whining, sherm counters with data, and the whiners are off to the races.

    Thats what this site is all about people to whine about whatever they want ..Just as you have
  • queencitybuckeye
    NNN;589763 wrote:So what? I've seen teams win games by double digits despite being outgained by close to 400 yards and while scoring just one offensive touchdown. It's football, weird stuff happens.

    Or are you suggesting some type of magical advantage for Watterson? Tell you what. There's five schools in the CCL. I want a complete list of the kids on those five schools who did not come through the feeder system.

    Get in line. I've been waiting for two days for a single name of a kid on the DSJ team who didn't grow up in Delphos. Amazing what loudmouths a handful of people are here until you ask them to deal in actual facts, then they go all Hellen Keller on you.
  • etak
    queencitybuckeye;589805 wrote:Get in line. I've been waiting for two days for a single name of a kid on the DSJ team who didn't grow up in Delphos. Amazing what loudmouths a handful of people are here until you ask them to deal in actual facts, then they go all Hellen Keller on you.

    You're behind me (a Hartley fan) in that line too, NNN . Still waiting.......
  • Alma_Parker
    Be Nice;588882 wrote:Prescott...I could be wrong, but I think you're the first admitted Catholic on here that truly understands the recruitment situation myself and others have been talking about.

    As I've mentioned in earlier posts my wife is Catholic. I have absolutly nothing against Catholics except for the Catholic coaches and schools that do recruit. Like you said the opportunity is there and has been taken advantage of.

    "Admitted Catholic?" Gosh, that's a pretty telling concept. (And just to assure everyone that he 'gets' the meme/trope, the next line is an variant of the 'some of my best friends are...' Big points if this is humor; showing a few too many cards if not.
  • Alma_Parker
    Be Nice;589352 wrote:miss alma...not asleep, just enjoying all the bullshit you spew on this site. Some men are intelligent, but others pretend to be. The ones that aren't, including yourself, are the ones that perhaps have no purpose in life except to pine over how things should have been. "Here's my opinion. It is the word for I am never wrong". Well, Mr. Vince Lombardi double talker bullshitter, you have absolutely no one fooled, but yourself. You, my friend, are a fraud hiding behind your little mouse, keyboard and monitor pretending, only in your minds eye to be the great Oz of Ohio HS football. Have you ever watched Andy Griffith? I'm sure you have. Why? Because of your stupidity in many of your rebuttals it leads 4 of us on here to believe your character in life is none other than Don Knotts. You, Mr. Vince Lombardi double talker bullshitter of Ohio HS football, win the award of idiot clown for Ohio HS football. Congratulations, you truly deserve it.

    I'll continue to resist the temptation to refute your ad hominem stuff or to join you in lowering the dialogue. (For the record, though, if the worst thing you can call me is "Don Knotts," you'll have to work a little harder.) I know you're probably busy searching for the DSJ kid not brought up straight thru their feeders and from their locale, but when you are done with that, could you offer even one specific? It seems like we have a pattern here: you spout unsubstantiated anger/emotion about how you are cheated and just can't win. I counter with the perspective that, as a supporter of a solid public program, it is quite possible to feel differently and that acting on those feelings might drive better results. You then change the subject and call me names. It's a little hard to know what the "Oz of football" would be (normally given the way the whole Oz story worked out, it would be an odd position for somebody to claim to be an Oz, but then again you are pretty hard to follow), but I am certain that I know less than a lot of folks on here. I only know a couple programs well and base my perspective on that limited view of the world. It is just striking, though, how different that perspective is. Maybe you're right!! Maybe the Ironton supporters are wrong... maybe it is impossible for them to compete against more-northern, richer, bigger-city, and private (dare I say it, Catholic) schools. Maybe they have it all wrong, thinking it is a distraction at best and a destructive self-fulfilling approach to whine constantly about how it's not fair and to pine for a separate championship bracket where somebody can promise them a priori that none of the teams will be better than the Tigers. Do you have it right? I'm trying to be open minded here? Is it actually impossible for Ironton to compete? Please explain it. And you don't have to go further back in time to call me names with odd allusions to your literature of Andy Griffith or the Wizard of Oz; just go back to the facts: is it actually impossible for Ironton to compete? Try to stay focused
  • Tiernan
    The privates went 5 for 5. Even if they don't "recruit" (which is absurd...but I'll give it to you here for the sake of argument) this statistic alone shows that private schools have a distinct competitive advantage over public schools. NY, NJ and MA have had Public & Parochial Divisions for years with much success and extra revenues for other programs. Its time Ohio to get our heads outta the sand and change this BS.
  • Al Bundy
    Tiernan;589868 wrote:The privates went 5 for 5. Even if they don't "recruit" (which is absurd...but I'll give it to you here for the sake of argument) this statistic alone shows that private schools have a distinct competitive advantage over public schools. NY, NJ and MA have had Public & Parochial Divisions for years with much success and extra revenues for other programs. Its time Ohio to get our heads outta the sand and change this BS.

    Just go to 700 divisions.
  • Tiernan
    Al Bundy;589869 wrote:Just go to 700 divisions.
    They could probably remain with 6 smartass...4 Public and 2 Parochial.
  • fish82
    Al Bundy;589869 wrote:Just go to 700 divisions.
    Agreed...rings and juice boxes for everyone!
  • Sonofanump
    Tiernan;589898 wrote:They could probably remain with 6 smartass...4 Public and 2 Parochial.

    No, they would just go to 4 divisions of publics since the "privates" would form their own system and keep their own money.
  • Con_Alma
    Sonofanump;589903 wrote:No, they would just go to 4 divisions of publics since the "privates" would form their own system and keep their own money.

    Yep. This is exactly what would happen. ...and it will be an incentive for kids to go to a private for the chance to play in that caliber of a State Championship game.

    It's not a good thing to separate these.
  • Con_Alma
    Al Bundy;589869 wrote:Just go to 700 divisions.

    I, personally, would rather see them go in the opposite direction to just one division. One true State Champion,
  • Alma_Parker
    NNN;589763 wrote:So what? I've seen teams win games by double digits despite being outgained by close to 400 yards and while scoring just one offensive touchdown. It's football, weird stuff happens.

    Or are you suggesting some type of magical advantage for Watterson? Tell you what. There's five schools in the CCL. I want a complete list of the kids on those five schools who did not come through the feeder system.

    Careful, NNN and sirclovis, when you ask these guys for facts they start calling you names from TV shows or movies from a generation or two back and/or start bragging about how, unlike you, they run their own Amway franchises (or something like that, I've had a hard time following, maybe because I'm still a bit flummoxed by their ability to derive deep insight into the other posters' socioeconomic situation merely by oberving their posts when they cannot find a single St. John's player who isn't 'clean' despite having the data right in front of them). You know how you can't take peanuts into an elementary school anymore due to the risk of a severe allergy? This thread is a little like that except with facts; if you bring facts they get a real allergy. So brace yourself for a salvo of scathing epithets. My prediction is they'll claim you think you are both a. the smartest person in the world and b. just like Maynard Krebs. Or maybe call you an 'admitted Catholic' (even if you are trying to support a public school). It gets a little confusing.
  • Alma_Parker
    Tiernan;589868 wrote:The privates went 5 for 5. Even if they don't "recruit" (which is absurd...but I'll give it to you here for the sake of argument) this statistic alone shows that private schools have a distinct competitive advantage over public schools. NY, NJ and MA have had Public & Parochial Divisions for years with much success and extra revenues for other programs. Its time Ohio to get our heads outta the sand and change this BS.

    Not to get all accurate on you or anything, but 'this statistic alone' doesn't 'show' (or certainly 'prove') anything except that this year there were at least five really really good private school programs. Hate to head towards Stats 101 but you're definitely sliding down the slippery slide towards causality. I'm way behind the most lucid on here about the facts, but re-read some of sherm's posts; he's been the best about laying out the actual facts of the situation.
  • Alma_Parker
    Con_Alma;589908 wrote:I, personally, would rather see them go in the opposite direction to just one division. One true State Champion,

    Worked for "Hoosiers"! Wouldn't work for Be Nice or skank. They need to have their squads made champions without all the fuss of playing the games. How about a poll where only they are electors? That could fix things.
  • queencitybuckeye
    Have open divisions for competitors, and closed divisions for pantywaists who want trophies in spite of not being the best. Each school chooses and the number of divisions of each are set accordingly.
  • Con_Alma
    That's a great idea.
  • Alma_Parker
    Brilliant. And whoever skank supports can have their own one-team division. Meanwhile if they wish, Kenton and Ironton and Cllinton-Massie and Orrville and Chagrin Falls and the 24 other public playoff qualifiers in D-IV who aren't afraid to play Hartley and Alter and Elyria Catholic (the only 3 privates in the 32 D-IV qualifiers) can stay 'as-is.' Like fish said, juice boxes for everyone (at least everyone who is now reliant on those juice boxes).
  • Bigdogg
    queencitybuckeye;589805 wrote:Get in line. I've been waiting for two days for a single name of a kid on the DSJ team who didn't grow up in Delphos. Amazing what loudmouths a handful of people are here until you ask them to deal in actual facts, then they go all Hellen Keller on you.

    Growing up in the city of Delphos and attending DSJ are two separate issues. Are you saying that you have zero kids that reside in any other school district then Delphos Jefferson, which is the public school district in which St. Johns is located? If so you are incorrect. What you don't have is kids walking around your halls taking up space and still counting for OHSAA classification purposes like every public school in Ohio has. That is a tremendous advantage. I am not sure why you St. John people would be so against the OHSAA establishing attendance zones and multipliers. According to you it would not have any effect because all DSJ kids are born and raised there.
  • queencitybuckeye
    Bigdogg;589936 wrote:Growing up in the city of Delphos and attending DSJ are two separate issues. Are you saying that you have zero kids that reside in any other school district then Delphos Jefferson, which is the public school district in which St. Johns is located? If so you are incorrect.

    It takes names to prove me incorrect. Without any, you just join the list of blowhards.
  • queencitybuckeye
    Bigdogg;589936 wrote:What you don't have is kids walking around your halls taking up space and still counting for OHSAA classification purposes like every public school in Ohio has. That is a tremendous advantage.

    Perhaps we would be better served attemping to level the field by attempting to fix this issue. It might even be a better approach beyond its effect on sports.
  • Alma_Parker
    queencitybuckeye;589939 wrote:Perhaps we would be better served attemping to level the field by attempting to fix this issue. It might even be a better approach beyond its effect on sports.

    So you mean like on debate or science fair? So maybe we could limit how many National Merit Scholars you allow at Shaker Heights or Cincy Xavier and force them to only pick a couple so that Massillon or whoever would have an equal number? (Trying to understand what "beyond... sports" means. Seems like the same logic to socialize and assure equal outcomes, but don't you think that this mentality will eventually weaken Ohio? Would you really want to spread out the "winners," even beyond football? Even if some folks on here have a hard time seeing it for football (hey, it's a passion-filled topic), you must see what happens if you roll forward the thinking and mandate that southern Ohio schools have an equal number of Lacrosse and Hockey "winners" and state science fair trohpies be handed out equally to all schools that it will kill a lot of talented kids' motivation...