Is it time for private schools to have theyre own playoffs in football
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aged jockThis has been most entertaining. Somehow I think some minds haven't changed. But we have to keep fighting the good fight or our state will become a laughing stock, instead of a football (and all sports) powerhouse.
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OQBSonofanump;587570 wrote:So a few years ago Massillon would have had a QB with Orrville Red Riders on his uni? Just so I am clear.
He could also wear that state title ring he won while at Orrville....Haha -
sherm03Thinthickbigred;587643 wrote:the fact is Ytown has a huge advatage because that city is one of the bigger towns in Ohio and you guys get the pick of the litter in that whole town ..while you play a small town of 5,000 ..they dont have that luxory..and before you come back with the same ole open enrollemnt BS ...Ill just tell you we had one guy that came from another school and play for us and we didnt get a recruitment violation....How many of your boys would have normally gone to a public school .....................Ill answer that ..most of the good ones ...Ursulin same thing how bout that star back what school would he have gone to ...Unfair advantage ...We need to kick these outlaw progerams out of our football tourny .....
Youngstown is one of the bigger towns? Could have fulled me. People are flooding out of that area.
Again...why do those kids HAVE to go to the public school. Why can't those kids and families CHOOSE to go to the private school. It's the same situation in your town. When families CHOOSE to send their kids to Steubenville instead of Steubenville Catholic...Steubenville Catholic doesn't cry and complain. Why is it perfectly acceptable in your opinion for a family to CHOOSE to send their kid to a public school when a private one is available...but not acceptable for a family to CHOOSE to send their kid to a private school when a public one is available.
None of you private school haters have a response for that because there isn't one.
And Mooney has never gotten a recruitment violation either. -
PrescottWhy are the private school fans against having a private school tournament?
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coyotes22
Its the Democratic thinking. "Redistribution of wealth" idea. Make it "fair" for everyone.sherm03;587708 wrote:Youngstown is one of the bigger towns? Could have fulled me. People are flooding out of that area.
Again...why do those kids HAVE to go to the public school. Why can't those kids and families CHOOSE to go to the private school. It's the same situation in your town. When families CHOOSE to send their kids to Steubenville instead of Steubenville Catholic...Steubenville Catholic doesn't cry and complain. Why is it perfectly acceptable in your opinion for a family to CHOOSE to send their kid to a public school when a private one is available...but not acceptable for a family to CHOOSE to send their kid to a private school when a public one is available.
None of you private school haters have a response for that because there isn't one.
And Mooney has never gotten a recruitment violation either.
Im talking about the separate playoff idea. -
coyotes22Prescott;587762 wrote:Why are the private school fans against having a private school tournament?
Not a private school guy,,,,,,,, But, I will answer.
Because it is stupid. PERIOD. -
skankcoyotes22;587765 wrote:Not a private school guy,,,,,,,, But, I will answer.
Because it is stupid. PERIOD.
Why is it stupid? Two different sets of rules usually require two different tournaments. -
Thinthickbigred@sherm^^^^^^ yep I hear that one too ...LOL... that boy is catholic he should have gone to SCC ....BULLCHIT he or his family doesnt owe that school anything.....just another smoke bomb you guys throw....This thread is about fairness in the high school playoff system .....If they move Mooney and Ursuline up two divisions it would help .....I am tired of all the smoke and mirrors ignorant people try to put up.....Catholic schools openly recruit the best ...common sense look again at what is happeng this year .....Oh but I guess it is supperior coaching and supperior attitudes ..or supperior intellect....Its all BULL ..I am sick of all the crap I hear about how much better you guys are at everything you do .....You frigging buy your titles much like the NY Yankees do in MLB ..Its a frigging joke ...Just not enough people are informed and you guys keep them on there heels with all your smoke and mirror arguments ...I know the frigging truth and I feel bad for teams like Shadyside...Oh and BTW I know some central people and believe me thats all they do is cry and complain ..Why do you think I am so edgy..It aint just you
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Thinthickbigredcoyotes22;587765 wrote:Not a private school guy,,,,,,,, But, I will answer.
Because it is stupid. PERIOD.
It aint stupid in several states and West Virginia was talking about it last year.. -
sherm03Thinthickbigred;587769 wrote:@sherm^^^^^^ yep I hear that one too ...LOL... that boy is catholic he should have gone to SCC ....BULLCHIT he or his family doesnt owe that school anything.....just another smoke bomb you guys throw....This thread is about fairness in the high school playoff system .....If they move Mooney and Ursuline up two divisions it would help .....I am tired of all the smoke and mirrors ignorant people try to put up.....Catholic schools openly recruit the best ...common sense look again at what is happeng this year .....Oh but I guess it is supperior coaching and supperior attitudes ..or supperior intellect....Its all BULL ..I am sick of all the crap I hear about how much better you guys are at everything you do .....You frigging buy your titles much like the NY Yankees do in MLB ..Its a frigging joke ...Just not enough people are informed and you guys keep them on there heels with all your smoke and mirror arguments ...I know the frigging truth and I feel bad for teams like Shadyside...Oh and BTW I know some central people and believe me thats all they do is cry and complain ..Why do you think I am so edgy..It aint just you
I never said anything about "that boy is catholic he should have gone to SCC." What I said is...you have a kid in your town. His family has the choice to send him to either Steubenville or SCC. The family thinks that the kid is going to be a really good athlete, and feel that he could get a great scholarship by playing for Reno at Steubenville. They want him to be a part of a great program, and decide that it would be best for him (and the family) to send the kid to Steubenville. That is completely fine in your book. You have no problem with that.
But take that same situation with a family living in Boardman. And they are deciding to send their son to Boardman or Mooney. Why is it wrong that they choose Mooney? Why is OK for a family in the same situation to send their kid to the public school...but not OK for a family in the same situation to send their kid to the private school? Why do you have such an issue with this?! It's not "buying championships." It's not "openly recruiting." It's programs that have built a name for themselves over the years drawing families and interest with success.
So please...give me a solid answer. Please explain why...in your warped sense of reality...a family HAS to send their kid to the public school they reside in. Why are they not allowed to CHOOSE to send their kid to a private school? -
Alma_ParkerBe Nice;587639 wrote:Alma... tell us how it feels to live in your perfect little football world where only your beliefs are conveniently located within that small egotistical mind of yours. How does it feel to be perfect and never be wrong in your opinions and minds eye? Seriously, how does it feel? Perhaps life has dealt you a harsh blow. Perhaps you weren't the jock you wanted to be in HS, but instead set the bench praying for better days. Perhaps your coach finally called your name, go get'em alma, only to get in, but to sadly have a public school linebacker hand you your teeth back with a shrug and smile on his face. Perhaps this is your way to get even with the HS world of publics vs privates. What a sad and pathetic little individual you seem to be. It must be a lonely existence for someone that is never wrong, but probably also has nobody in his life to relate these feelings to except his little keyboard, mouse and monitor. You probably feel invinceable once you push that magical button on your computor. Time to get to work and prove these public HS bastards wrong. What a pathetic little life you must lead.
Gosh, not so nice. And definitely confused!! Before launching the ad hominem attack, you may want to actually read my posts. Presuming this step goes well, you'll quickly notice two things that make your own slam here a little less effective: 1. I know the most about and put most of my support behind a PUBLIC program (Ironton). and 2. I've admitted mistake with alacrity the couple times folks have been kind enough to correct me on here.
You've really got to read and think carefully about what I'm saying, which is mostly that as a supporter of a public school program there is no need to whine about the privates, that it is counterproductive and only hurts the kids and the programs you (presumably) mean to support. If you have any questions about that, lemme know and I'll be happy to fill in the blanks. And, of course, correct any factual mistakes I make, though, broadly, the anti-privates brigade here isn't big on the whole facts thing (that's more sherm's gig). As for your junior Freud imitation, I'm bemused but certainly not impressed with your accuracy. You definitely should keep your day job, as applicable. And I won't take your bait and starting slinging back. You're probably a terrific guy, just a little emotional on this issue, which is OK. We all wish our teams would win even more often. All I can suggest is that you put the energy positively into the programs you support and stop trying to figure out which shady force is blocking your chance of success. I promise it ain't me!! And if you want ideas on how to best support a program, which in my case happens to be public even though that doesn't matter one iota, just let me know that, too, and I'll try and help. -
Be Nice^^^more double talk. It's amazing how you pretend.... pretend to be the God of all football knowledge. Sad little man, sad little man. Success? I own 2 businesses and have done very well. What about you? Be my guest to BLOW more BS onto the site.
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queencitybuckeyeBe Nice;587823 wrote:^^^more double talk. It's amazing how you pretend.... pretend to be the God of all football knowledge. Sad little man, sad little man. Success? I own 2 businesses and have done very well. What about you? Be my guest to BLOW more BS onto the site.
English tutoring? -
Prescott
I could not care any less, I just wondered why the private school fans would be against having their own tournament.Because it is stupid. PERIOD.
Why is it STUPID? -
skankqueencitybuckeye;587835 wrote:English tutoring?
Class tutoring? -
AllOhioBe Nice;587823 wrote:^^^more double talk. It's amazing how you pretend.... pretend to be the God of all football knowledge. Sad little man, sad little man. Success? I own 2 businesses and have done very well. What about you? Be my guest to BLOW more BS onto the site.
Any chance you could share with us exactly how much you made last year? Please include your SS# and DOB please. lol Personally, I have no issue with the playoffs-Support the publics and enjoy watching my Orrville Red Riders in the playoffs on a regular basis. I love being the underdog when we play the parochials no matter the outcome. If a kids family is willing to shell out tuition to a private school, more power to 'em - I just hope these families think, at least a little bit, about what school meets the child's educational needs first. -
sherm03Prescott;587837 wrote:I could not care any less, I just wondered why the private school fans would be against having their own tournament.
Why is it STUPID?
I wouldn't want it separated because I would never be able to call my school a state champion again. If Mooney were to win the state championship...and didn't have to play teams like Poland, Steubenville, etc...then it would be impossible to say that they were the "best team in Ohio."
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Thinthickbigred@ sherm ..I was making an illustration to what I hear alot ..I also dont care what school people send there kids...I have given so many different true senerios about the differences between the publics and privates and the bias some private schools give male athletes of different faith rather than to female students of different faith....If you are going to have juggernauts like the Ytown schools and DSJ and others ..You need to atleast put them in higher divisions.....I truely am thinking of small town Ohio .... I know the big public schools have a beef as well but atleast they do have a larger enrollment and its not so unequal although it still is.....When people come at me and say DSJ would beat Steubenville by 30 doesnt that says enough right there...That should never happen in 100 years although I doubt they would beat us anyway ....Alot of public school people come at me that dont like my school but just for instance when Indian Creek does get that great team that will eventially get and they end up playing one of your Ytown schools in a regional final they will feel helpless just like Shadyside did.....I like a good sports story of a team that never did anything and then getting a 100 year team and all the stars line up but then it is dashed by a university type team ...Just not fair and something needs to be addressed
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sherm03Thinthickbigred;587891 wrote:@ sherm ..I was making an illustration to what I hear alot ..I also dont care what school people send there kids...I have given so many different true senerios about the differences between the publics and privates and the bias some private schools give male athletes of different faith rather than to female students of different faith....If you are going to have juggernauts like the Ytown schools and DSJ and others ..You need to atleast put them in higher divisions.....I truely am thinking of small town Ohio .... I know the big public schools have a beef as well but atleast they do have a larger enrollment and its not so unequal although it still is.....When people come at me and say DSJ would beat Steubenville by 30 doesnt that says enough right there...That should never happen in 100 years although I doubt they would beat us anyway ....Alot of public school people come at me that dont like my school but just for instance when Indian Creek does get that great team that will eventially get and they end up playing one of your Ytown schools in a regional final they will feel helpless just like Shadyside did.....I like a good sports story of a team that never did anything and then getting a 100 year team and all the stars line up but then it is dashed by a university type team ...Just not fair and something needs to be addressed
I hear what you're saying. I really do. So let's ignore the fact that we're just doing this because of Mooney, Ursuline, DSJ, and Newark Catholic for a second. Let's ignore the fact that we're screwing over a lot of private schools that never do anything by giving them even less of a chance. Moving those teams won't help those little guys whose stars align once every 100 years...because when you move out the private schools, I guarantee you that the MAC will DOMINATE the lower divisions. They already do...but now it's at least fun to watch it come down to them and the private schools. Why are you upset with the privates dominating in those divisions, and not upset with the MAC dominating in those divisions? I'm really just trying to understand your pov here...because it just doesn't add up to me. -
ThinthickbigredI dont want to put all the private schools into higher divisions ..But there must be a way to put the dominite teams up a few classes.... I dont propose to put Bellaire St Johns in a higher class or Rosecrans...I dont have all the answers but I think some creative thinking by the powers that be might be able to make it a more even playing field ..especially for the small d-6 teams .......I want to see the town of Redbud win one .......
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sherm03Thinthickbigred;587921 wrote:I dont want to put all the private schools into higher divisions ..But there must be a way to put the dominite teams up a few classes.... I dont propose to put Bellaire St Johns in a higher class or Rosecrans...I dont have all the answers but I think some creative thinking by the powers that be might be able to make it a more even playing field ..especially for the small d-6 teams .......I want to see the town of Redbud win one .......
OK man. I'm really trying to understand...but that just makes even less sense.
So you're proposal is to literally take JUST the private schools that are good and move them up? Really? Just think about that for awhile. Let that sink in. Think about how bad that sounds. Your agenda is pretty transparent, and you lose any credibility you may have had when THAT is your suggestion.
I'll do you one better. If a team wins a state championship...they're banned from the playoffs until everyone else in their division has won a title. That way it's "fair" for everyone. Afterall, that's basically what you're proposing...isn't it? -
Alma_Parkersherm03;587924 wrote:OK man. I'm really trying to understand...but that just makes even less sense.
So you're proposal is to literally take JUST the private schools that are good and move them up? Really? Just think about that for awhile. Let that sink in. Think about how bad that sounds. Your agenda is pretty transparent, and you lose any credibility you may have had when THAT is your suggestion.
I'll do you one better. If a team wins a state championship...they're banned from the playoffs until everyone else in their division has won a title. That way it's "fair" for everyone. Afterall, that's basically what you're proposing...isn't it?
It would probably make more sense to let the folks who think they have no chance, for whatever reason, declare that they want to play in a special division that could be formed for each existing OHSAA division. Even Be Nice could be happy with this. So taking D-IV, which I know the most about, Kenton, Ironton, Orrville and Alder and the like could stay in regular D-IV, along with Alter and Hartley. Given this year 29 of the 32 playoff qualifiers were public, probably all those could stay in "D-IV-A." Meanwhile, teams whose supporting ranks include enough folks with Be Nice's mentality could opt into "D-IV-B," where they could have their own playoff, where the parents and coaches could tell the winner of the tournament that they were also the "State Champs*." This way the strong publics (again, like the 29 of 32 D-IV qualifiers this year) don't have to field bad about not ever finding out how they fare against the best and yet those that want a little lesser grade of competition can feel better* about themselves. Perfect solution!
If anybody knows what I should do about "Be Nice"'s personal attacks, lemme know. I checked with my accountant on the advisability of bragging about income on a site with utterly unrelated content and he suggested against. I mentioned the idea of an "all in" bet on last year's W-2, but he suggested I resist that temptation and instead try to get the guy to go back to the facts and encourage him to supply some perspicuous logical support for his emotional positions. I mentioned that I've tried that before but it never works. Stalemate I guess. -
WaltIndiana high school football has five divisions. Their large school division is dominated by huge public schools with 3000-4000 students. The other four divisions are dominated by parochial schools... usually the same four or five schools in each division. I heard there is a rule change being considered that if a team wins two consecutive titles they have to move up one division the next year. Not sure if that solves the concerns some of you have, but I just thought this was relevant given the discussion on this thread.
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Well West Virginia is known generally as a thought leader; maybe we should wait and see what they do.Thinthickbigred;587771 wrote:It aint stupid in several states and West Virginia was talking about it last year.. -
SonofanumpI’d think that the following could solve the perception for most, but some might still whine.
The multiplier is as follows. 25% for open enrollment, 50% for privates. Students on a learning IEP do not get counted into the numbers.
7 divisions. Top 64 schools and bottom 64 schools with half (32) those schools making the playoffs.
The middle divisions would then have about 100 schools each with the top 32 making the playoffs.