Is it time for private schools to have theyre own playoffs in football

• skank

  

  Seven of those 8 losses tom Parochials have been in the state title game, or state semi finals.
  
  Twice to the Quad State All Star Moeller Crusaders, Thrice to the RockyRiverParmaBrecksville Wildcats, once to the Cincitucky Bombers. And once to Parma Padua.
• sherm03

  

  skank;1060593 wrote:Idk about more parity, but more of a chance for public schools? Yes.
  
  Let's say for instance that Canton McKinley makes the state title game, now instead of playing a St. X, or a Moeller, they play a Centerville, or a Pickerington????
  
  Take last year for example, let's say that when Medina upsets McKinley, it's in the state semi finals, that Medina team could very easily win the next week for the state championship....Unless of course they're playing a state sponsored all star team.

  This is where I disagree with your line of thinking. And I believe it's is the core of your problem. You are defeated before you even take the field. We are talking about one game, played by 15-18 year old kids. I am a firm believer that any team can beat any other team on any given night. As a Mooney fan, I think back to when we were supposed to destroy Galion, or how we were supposed to cruise over Coldwater...twice. You only have to be better than your opponent for 48 minutes.
  
  And the thinking of "well shit, it's a Catholic school...they cheat...we're going to lose" means you are already set up for failure. The fact is, these are still kids. And upsets happen a lot. But going in thinking that the Catholic school is going to hand it to you (for whatever reason you may think it) usually means that you're going to get it handed to you. Going in confident can bring different results. And believe me, the kids read these forums. So seeing their fans stomp their feet and cry that things aren't fair doesn't help the kids any. You're not doing them any favors by carrying on like you do on the subject.
  
  My main problem with the way you approach this subject, skank, is that you paint all the private schools with this broad brush that they are all cheaters and recruit players illegally...simply because they win. When you have shown a private school getting caught, nobody has defended the actions. All agreed that if a school (both public or private) breaks the rules they deserve to be punished. But it's funny to me that you act like this is something that only private schools do, despite people posting stories numerous times about public schools getting busted...and receiving the same penalties as private schools...for recruiting. You turn a blind eye to that completely, and act like that never goes on.
  
  Bottom line, I don't agree with your way of thinking that private schools cheat. Do some schools (both private and public) have advantages over others? Hell yes. Whether that's tradition, facilities, great coaching, or whatever the case...some schools have advantages. But to act like it's just the privates that have advantages is silly. The proof? As mentioned above, cities like Warren, Steubenville, Canton all feature schools that have better public programs than private programs. If private schools were all cheaters and recruited illegally, that wouldn't be the case.
• Al Bundy

  skank;1060610 wrote:Btw, I'm pissed we have to hold this combine, I wish we could just HAND out athletic scholarships like YOUR school.

  My school is an open enrollment public school. Everyone at the school goes for free.
• Dean Wormer

  skank;1059461 wrote:Says the guy who's team wouldn't even exist without kids from Canfield, Warren, Austintown, Boardman, Struthers, Pennsylvania, Etc....Etc....Etc.

  Just to set the record straight skanky. Not one kid on Mooney's roster from Warren, Pennsylvania, OREGON, etc. Can you say the same about your Tigers? Canfield, Austintown, Boardman, Struthers all have parochial grade schools in the Youngstown Diocese. Or aren't those kids allowed to continue their Catholic education?
• landshark0731

  Stank unless the Ohsaa website is wrong, dating back to 1972 Mass has made it to State semis 10 times in 39 years, which is pretty darn good You lost to Moeller 2x and St. X once in the Championship games. Since 2002 I may be wrong if i am let me know , ok? Mass has played 17 playoff games and 15 of their opponents have been public schools. So in those years you cannot complain about privates, because they basically has not affected your chances. I'd also add that my research was based on Mass playing at division 1 if you were ever classified D2 i did not research any D2 Stats , so my apologies in advance if you did indeed play at the D2 level.
• Rocket08

  landshark0731;1060725 wrote:, so my apologies in advance if you did indeed play at the D2 level.

  They play at a D2 level
• skank

  

  Rocket08;1060905 wrote:They play at a D2 level

  
  
  Yeah, and your school recruits at a DI level, hence the success.
• sherm03

  

  skank;1061063 wrote:Yeah, and your school recruits at a DI level, hence the success.

  "Ignore the posts with substance and keep beating the same tired lines with no facts to back it up." - Skank's plan this entire debate
• skank

  

  sherm03;1061145 wrote:"Ignore the posts with substance and keep beating the same tired lines with no facts to back it up." - Skank's plan this entire debate

  
  
  Relax there Sherm, I've given facts in the past, only to have you and the rest of the PBG, deny everything I have posted. Maybe talk to YOUR henchmen, when I posted facts they were replied to with lines like, "Why don't we just give out 700 trophies", and, "want a juice box."
• landshark0731

  So stank! What's your basis for your argument when 15 of your last 17 playoff opponents have been public schools. How are the privates affecting your chance at a title when your losing to public schools?
• skank

  

  landshark0731;1061201 wrote:So stank! What's your basis for your argument when 15 of your last 17 playoff opponents have been public schools. How are the privates affecting your chance at a title when your losing to public schools?

  
  
  Well, since you're a "coach", and I know you're busy watching film, I realize your research only goes back to 2002, (Thank you Joe Eitel). I'll regretfully inform you that football started in Ohio well before 2002....Actually, I hate to shock you like this, but it actually started before 1972.
  
  I never stated that if parochials didn't exist, Massillon would win it every year did I?
• landshark0731

  skank;1061504 wrote:Well, since you're a "coach", and I know you're busy watching film, I realize your research only goes back to 2002, (Thank you Joe Eitel). I'll regretfully inform you that football started in Ohio well before 2002....Actually, I hate to shock you like this, but it actually started before 1972.
  
  I never stated that if parochials didn't exist, Massillon would win it every year did I?

  C'mon Stank! You got to be kidding. A) I said my research dates back to 1972 via ohsaa. B) I brought up your playoff opponents for last 10 years. C) You are in favor of a split between privates and publics based on unfair balance. I pointed out that in the last 10 years and 17 playoff games you only played 2 private school. You won one and lost one in 05. The rest of your playoff losses have come from public schools in that time!
• skank

  

  landshark0731;1061530 wrote:C'mon Stank! You got to be kidding. A) I said my research dates back to 1972 via ohsaa. B) I brought up your playoff opponents for last 10 years. C) You are in favor of a split between privates and publics based on unfair balance. I pointed out that in the last 10 years and 17 playoff games you only played 2 private school. You won one and lost one in 05. The rest of your playoff losses have come from public schools in that time!

  
  
  I guess I don't know what your point is. My feelings toward parochial schools have existed since before 2002. But since you want to concentrate on THAT particular time frame, Massillon was 58-22 vs public schools in the regular season from '02 to present day, and 6-13 vs privates.
• Rocket08

  So, if you can't beat 'em, try to make them go away
  
  Nice way to live your life, loser
• skank

  

  Rocket08;1061928 wrote:So, if you can't beat 'em, try to make them go away
  
  Nice way to live your life, loser

  
  
  In a word, yes. When you have two different types of schools, and only one of them are allowed the luxury of targeting student athletes, there needs to be a separation.
• skank

  

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• skank

  

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• Al Bundy

  skank;1061993 wrote:School & Community
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  It must suck to have a school that draws from a much smaller geographic area than Massillon have more state championships. How many states will be represented at Massillon's combine?
• skank

  

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• skank

  

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• landshark0731

  Skanky does it really matter? You can't beat the public schools, why bash the privates? How bout all the out of state all stars from West Virginia your boy Thicks Big Red recruiting machine brings in. Why aren't you exposing that? Or the kid from Harrison that Big Red worked so hard to get that their middle school was kicked out of there league for?
• sherm03

  

  landshark0731;1062435 wrote:Skanky does it really matter? You can't beat the public schools, why bash the privates? How bout all the out of state all stars from West Virginia your boy Thicks Big Red recruiting machine brings in. Why aren't you exposing that? Or the kid from Harrison that Big Red worked so hard to get that their middle school was kicked out of there league for?

  Don't forget schools like Poland, whose only State Championship victory came on the legs of a kid from Lowellville. Pretty impressive considering that Poland is not an open enrollment school.
  
  How about Boardman raiding the Catholic grade schools for guys like Tommy Zetts and John Greco. Both were in the parochial feeder schools from K-8. But they both went to Boardman high school when it came time. Did anyone complain about that?
  
  Maurice Clarett ring a bell anyone? Somehow he was able to play his freshman year at Fitch, and then play the next three years at Harding. I'm sure nothing fishy was going on there. And I'm sure Dayne Hammond's near transfer from Boardman to Harding was completely on the up-and-up.
  
  The point of this post? Public schools get kids from outside their borders just like private schools do. As long as it's done within the rules, nobody should have a bitch about it.
• said_aouita

  

  Separate state titles for Private, Open enrollment and then everyone else. Make it so everyone participates and gets a ribbon. Matter of fact, lets just quit keeping score all together.
• said_aouita

  

  Is this thread speaking HS football in particular?
• skank

  

  landshark0731;1062435 wrote:Skanky does it really matter? You can't beat the public schools, why bash the privates? How bout all the out of state all stars from West Virginia your boy Thicks Big Red recruiting machine brings in. Why aren't you exposing that? Or the kid from Harrison that Big Red worked so hard to get that their middle school was kicked out of there league for?

  
  
  How is going 68-27 during that span, "not being able to beat publics."