Is it time for private schools to have theyre own playoffs in football

• Dean Wormer

  cougar110;1049769 wrote:A coach, parent support, disipline, hardwork and accountability will Build a Program. I know people in Coldwater, the parents are involved and the kids push/support each other. Seperating into two playoffs is saying the kids are not good enough to win it all. Good life lesson. Sports are supposed to build character and leadership skills, you have to loose to learn these traits.

  Cougar my friend you make way to much sense for Thicky and Skanky. They only believe in whining and crying about things being unfair. You will be labeled one of the "parochial 7".
• skank

  

  cougar110;1049769 wrote:A coach, parent support, disipline, hardwork and accountability will Build a Program. I know people in Coldwater, the parents are involved and the kids push/support each other. Seperating into two playoffs is saying the kids are not good enough to win it all. Good life lesson. Sports are supposed to build character and leadership skills, you have to loose to learn these traits.

  
  
  I disagree. When you have schools that are allowed to pull kids in with the lure of a superior education, and on top of that, in a lot of cases, a FREE surerior education, you have already told the kids they are not good enough to win.
• skank

  

  Dean Wormer;1049810 wrote:Cougar my friend you make way to much sense for Thicky and Skanky. They only believe in whining and crying about things being unfair. You will be labeled one of the "parochial 7".

  
  
  Wow, haven't heard that in a while. Where is the ever so popular, "lets give out 700 trophies?"
• Al Bundy

  skank;1049819 wrote:I disagree. When you have schools that are allowed to pull kids in with the lure of a superior education, and on top of that, in a lot of cases, a FREE surerior education, you have already told the kids they are not good enough to win.

  If a school has an inferior education, why shouldn't that school try to improve their education? Out of all of the kids that Massillon has pulled in over the years, how many are going for FREE?
• Thinthickbigred

  Look Mooney a division III school has the largest offensive line in all of D-III every single year . That is not a coincidence. They were DIV a few years ago and were ranked 9th in the nation until there all star QB went down and then they lost a Tebow type game to Codwater a total fluke . You cant be 6'4 280 across the board every single year .. not in D-III cmon man!!
• Al Bundy

  Thinthickbigred;1049932 wrote:Look Mooney a division III school has the largest offensive line in all of D-III every single year . That is not a coincidence. They were DIV a few years ago and were ranked 9th in the nation until there all star QB went down and then they lost a Tebow type game to Codwater a total fluke . You cant be 6'4 280 across the board every single year .. not in D-III cmon man!!

  Coldwater beat Mooney twice within a few year period. They were the better team for the 48 minutes on those days. Give credit to Coldwater for being the better team on those days.
• genghis dong

  Thinthickbigred;1049932 wrote:Look Mooney a division III school has the largest offensive line in all of D-III every single year . That is not a coincidence. They were DIV a few years ago and were ranked 9th in the nation until there all star QB went down and then they lost a Tebow type game to Codwater a total fluke . You cant be 6'4 280 across the board every single year .. not in D-III cmon man!!

  You mean their all star qb that went to private school since kindegarten? The same one whose whole family went to Mooney?
• Dean Wormer

  skank;1049819 wrote:I disagree. When you have schools that are allowed to pull kids in with the lure of a superior education, and on top of that, in a lot of cases, a FREE surerior education, you have already told the kids they are not good enough to win.

  Let me get this straight. You finally admit that kids get a "superior education" at a parochial school. I am surprised that you would admit to that. Now that we agree on that point let me pose this question. Why wouldn't a parent send their child to a school to get a "superior education"? As far as the free part goes don't all of the kids at Massillon go for free? Even the open enrollment students?
• Rocket08

  skank;1049819 wrote:I disagree. When you have schools that are allowed to pull kids in with the lure of a superior education, and on top of that, in a lot of cases, a FREE surerior education, you have already told the kids they are not good enough to win.

  All this crap doesn't go together. "Free superior education" does not correlate to others "not good enough to win"
  
  You did get the superior education thing right though
  
  Even a retarded squirrel finds an acorn.......
  
  BTW spelling genius, I spell superior S U P E R I O R, I guess that you're not comfortable with the word
• skank

  

  I never said they didn't. Have you even been paying attention or have you just been "hearing" what you wanted to "hear"?
  
  Parents, if they want to, should be able to send their kids anywhere they want if they feel their kids can attain a "superior" education. My problem is with the schools and their methods used to attract said kids. How is a voucher to an inner city kid who runs a 4.4 40 not like a college scholarship?
• skank

  

  Rocket08;1050099 wrote:All this crap doesn't go together. "Free superior education" does not correlate to others "not good enough to win"
  
  You did get the superior education thing right though
  
  Even a retarded squirrel finds an acorn.......
  
  BTW spelling genius, I spell superior S U P E R I O R, I guess that you're not comfortable with the word

  
  
  By golly, with you teaching that retard class, and Landusky coaching the team at that retard school, I can see you guys going places.
• skank

  

  genghis dong;1050057 wrote:You mean their all star qb that went to private school since kindegarten? The same one whose whole family went to Mooney?

  
  
  I notice you mention the ONE kid that DID attend Mooney schools his whole life but ignore the 6'4" 280 linemen he mentions.
• Al Bundy

  skank;1050107 wrote:I never said they didn't. Have you even been paying attention or have you just been "hearing" what you wanted to "hear"?
  
  Parents, if they want to, should be able to send their kids anywhere they want if they feel their kids can attain a "superior" education. My problem is with the schools and their methods used to attract said kids. How is a voucher to an inner city kid who runs a 4.4 40 not like a college scholarship?

  That same kid could also go to any open enrollment public school for free. Is taking open enrollment students like giving out a college scholarship too?
• skank

  

  Al Bundy;1050145 wrote:That same kid could also go to any open enrollment public school for free. Is taking open enrollment students like giving out a college scholarship too?

  
  
  True, but the coach at that open enrollment school can't wave a voucher for a superior education in his face now can he? Face it, you guys have a tool.
• Al Bundy

  skank;1050153 wrote:True, but the coach at that open enrollment school can't wave a voucher for a superior education in his face now can he? Face it, you guys have a tool.

  So schools that stress education (both private and public) have an unfair advantage?
• Dean Wormer

  skank;1050153 wrote:True, but the coach at that open enrollment school can't wave a voucher for a superior education in his face now can he? Face it, you guys have a tool.

  In the Youngstown area the Lowellville school district gets an excellent rating from the state every year. They have a "superior education" and are open enrollment. Do they have a tool also? You can't fault any school for doing what they are supposed to do. Educate students.
• sherm03

  

  skank;1050107 wrote:I never said they didn't. Have you even been paying attention or have you just been "hearing" what you wanted to "hear"?
  
  Parents, if they want to, should be able to send their kids anywhere they want if they feel their kids can attain a "suior" education. My problem is with the schools and their methods used to attract said kids. How is a voucher to an inner city kid who runs a 4.4 40 not like a college solarship?

  You do realize that private schools are not able to pick and choose which kids get vouchers. Essentially...if you take one voucher student, you take them all.
• landshark0731

  Separation it not the answer. Complain to the State on how public schools are funded. Every spring and Fall levy's are all over the state and majority of them fail. As a result cuts are made, classes are not offered and athletic budgets are cut. Resulting in schools not making the grade. Why should a responsible parent not look at other options for their children. Private schools have done a great job meeting academic standards and have excelled in athletics,it's not the private schools fault. If the state would fund the public school better less cuts would be made, open enrollment would be less significant.
• landshark0731

  Thick and Stank here is a link for the Statewide Private school enrollment numbers please note, Mahoning county ( Mooney,Ursiline and Younstown Christian) fall in the 6 to 10 percentile. So 90 percent of the kids in that county i believe are public school attendees. Before you say it Trumbull county is in the 1 to 5 percentile.
  
  http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/maps/map-see-the-ohio-counties-with-the-highest-rates-of-private-school-enrollment/.
• Dean Wormer

  landshark0731;1050337 wrote:Thick and Stank here is a link for the Statewide Private school enrollment numbers please note, Mahoning county ( Mooney,Ursiline and Younstown Christian) fall in the 6 to 10 percentile. So 90 percent of the kids in that county i believe are public school attendees. Before you say it Trumbull county is in the 1 to 5 percentile.
  
  http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/maps/map-see-the-ohio-counties-with-the-highest-rates-of-private-school-enrollment/.

  Shark should know better than to offer an intelligent argument on here. When will you learn?
• landshark0731

  Your absolutely right Dean. Thicktard and Stank ho, Please continue your fudgepacking!
• Thinthickbigred

  landshark0731;1050337 wrote:Thick and Stank here is a link for the Statewide Private school enrollment numbers please note, Mahoning county ( Mooney,Ursiline and Younstown Christian) fall in the 6 to 10 percentile. So 90 percent of the kids in that county i believe are public school attendees. Before you say it Trumbull county is in the 1 to 5 percentile.
  
  http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/maps/map-see-the-ohio-counties-with-the-highest-rates-of-private-school-enrollment/.

  You help our case because,how in the world does Mooney have the biggest line in all of D-3 every single year? Try and tell me they dont . Ive been watching them for years and thats all they do they get these huge kids to come to Mooney with the normal compliment of good backs and they just run over everybody . they been doing it for years . If they were in D-1 they would have a tougher time against very good teams because the size would equal out in some cases .. Ive seen Mooney have the largest line in all of Ohio period on several occasions .. its just the facts .
• skank

  

  
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  [h=3]Separation Of Public And Private School Tournaments[/h] by Bob Huelsman | Features
  [h=6]Bob Huelsman[/h] Bob Huelsman is a former high school teacher, coach and administrator, serving for more than three decades at Covington High School, in Miami County. In his 13 years as head basketball coach at Covington, Huelsman won 228 games and five times guided the Buccaneers to the regional round of the state tournament. Currently, he serves as the associate athletic director at Newton High School, and treasurer for the Southwest District Athletic Board. A former member of the Ohio High School Athletic Association Board of Control, Huelsman’s broad background in athletic administration has won the respect of his peers statewide.
  CONTACT
  What to do about public and private schools tournaments? Can we just compete for a unified title, or does everyone deserve a trophy?
  
  The separation of public and private school tournaments has been written about on numerous occasions. It is still there, behind the scenes, and headed for a collision soon!
  If you recall, the superintendents in northeast Ohio (Wayne County) wanted something done about the disparity between public schools and private schools, their ability to win state championships, the level of the playing field, competitive imbalance, etc.
  These superintendents sent out a survey in late 2009 asking for input from all Ohio superintendents. The results showed that almost 70% thought there was a competitive imbalance, and 72.5% said they would support a separation of public and private school tournaments, both sanctioned by the OHSAA.
  There are 831 OHSAA member schools—700 public (84%) and 131 (16%) non-public.
  From the beginning of the 1999-2000 school year through the 2009-10 school year, there were 616 state championships. The private schools won 275 (45%) of these championships.
  Breaking this down, it looks like this:
  Football—66 state championships—31 (47%) won by non-public schools
  Volleyball—44 state championships—28 (63%) won by non-public schools
  Boys Soccer—33 state championships—15 (45%) won by non-public schools
  Girls Soccer—22 state championships—11 (50%) won by non-public schools
  Boys Basketball—44 state championships—14 (31%) won by non-public schools
  Girls Basketball—44 state championships—23 (52%) won by non-public schools
  Wrestling—30 state championships—21 (70%) won by non-public schools
  Baseball—40 state championships—20 (50%) won by non-public schools
  Softball—40 state championships—3 (1%) won by non-public schools
  Based on these statistics, it appears that there is an inequity in the OHSAA tournament structure.
  The OHSAA put off the Wayne County Superintendent Initiative by forming a committee to study the &#8220roblem”. The Competitive Balance Committee studied the &#8220roblem”, and put forth a Competitive Balance Solution that was put up for a referendum vote to the OHSAA membership. Albeit close, the Competitive Balance Solution was defeated.
  The OHSAA put it back into the hands of a sub-committee to survey the member schools to see why the issue failed, with promises to reconvene the entire Competitive Balance Committee upon completion. The meeting was scheduled for December 8, 2011.
  The sub-committee reviewed the results and made a decision to take a recommendation straight back to the OHSAA and its board of directors, and not reconvene the entire committee, as promised, on December 8, 2011. The recommendation was to forget the original competitive balance proposal and to concentrate on the Division I Football disparity in enrollment.
  This did not sit well with the Wayne County superintendents, especially because promises were not kept, and because it looked like the Competitive Balance Issue was dead on arrival. They made their voices heard when they promised to move ahead with a proposal to separate the tournaments.
  The Wayne County superintendents asked the OHSAA to place the issue of separate tournaments for public and non-public schools on the ballot for May’s OHSAA referendum issues pursuant to Articles 8-1-2 and 8-1-8 of the current OHSAA Constitution and/or Bylaws.
  Their proposals are as follows:
  Proposal #1: Separate state championship tournaments in all OHSAA sponsored sports.
  a. No divisional structure change for public schools. (The OHSAA Board of Directors will make the final determination on divisional structure.)
  b. New divisional structure for non-public schools. (The OHSAA Board of Directors will make the final determination on divisional structure.)
  Proposal #2: Public schools can only play Ohio non-public schools if the Ohio non-public school is a member of OHSAA.
  The OHSAA reacted by calling a special meeting of the original Competitive Balance Committee for Tuesday, January 31, to discuss the matter.
  The Wayne County superintendents reacted by sending a letter to the OHSAA Board of Directors, and not to the Competitive Balance Committee, stating that “it is the responsibility of the board of directors to respond, not this committee.” They want a response from the board of directors, and not waste the time of this committee. They feel they are beyond the committee at this point.
  “It is the last step before signature petitions are required to get a referendum issue on the ballot. Once again, (we) intend to hold the board of directors accountable to reply to (our) request. This is not a committee issue at this point in (our) opinion.”
  The “ball” now sits in the lap of the OHSAA Board of Directors. The question is…”What will they do with it?”
  
  WOW. Looks like when you figure the percentages, NON public schools are barely getting by, huh? (sarcasm).
• skank

  

  It's time fellas....It's time.
• Thinthickbigred

  God Bless Wayne county supers!!!!!!!!! :thumbup: