Is it time for private schools to have theyre own playoffs in football
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tsst_fballfan
Work and a personal matter have been killing my time this year.skank;989864 wrote:Where the heck have YOU been?
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genghis dong
Says the guy who's qb is from West VirginiaThinthickbigred;989856 wrote:you cant make me shut up and its a free country i think . You can take your two illegal private schools and shove them someplace we dont want those universities and then our kids will come back to the public schools .. You catholic schools want it both ways you want to be private but you want state money .. Typical behvior by your kind very greedy and always money grubbing .. Go feed the needy -
skank
tsst_fballfan;989867 wrote:Work and a personal matter have been killing my time this year.
Work always stinks, and hope the personal matter has been corrected....Good to have you back. -
sherm03
I'm going to say this again...the kids in the high schools across the state DON'T "BELONG" TO ANYONE!!!!Thinthickbigred;989856 wrote:you cant make me shut up and its a free country i think . You can take your two illegal private schools and shove them someplace we dont want those universities and then our kids will come back to the public schools .. You catholic schools want it both ways you want to be private but you want state money .. Typical behvior by your kind very greedy and always money grubbing .. Go feed the needy
They aren't "your" kids. Public schools don't get to "claim" kids just because their parents live in that school district. THAT is the problem that you guys have. You think you own the kids. They aren't your property. They can...and do...go to whatever school they choose. Quit acting like the private schools are coming into your houses and kidnapping your children and forcing them to attend the private school.
It's not even fun arguing with you guys anymore. You're thoughts are so out of whack...and you refuse to listen to simple logic.
I don't know why I even respond to you (especially you thickythick). My 2 year old nephew has better logic than these guys. It's so aggravating that it literally drives me crazy.
And I'm more mad at myself. My dad taught me a long time ago that you can never win an argument with idiots. And yet, I come on here day in and day out and try to get these guys to see that what they are saying is complete and utter stupidity. Like one day they'd wake up and go, "Wow, I am pretty retarded." But that day is never going to come. Why do I keep trying? -
skank
sherm03;989871 wrote:I'm going to say this again...the kids in the high schools across the state DON'T "BELONG" TO ANYONE!!!!
They aren't "your" kids. Public schools don't get to "claim" kids just because their parents live in that school district. THAT is the problem that you guys have. You think you own the kids. They aren't your property. They can...and do...go to whatever school they choose. Quit acting like the private schools are coming into your houses and kidnapping your children and forcing them to attend the private school.
It's not even fun arguing with you guys anymore. You're thoughts are so out of whack...and you refuse to listen to simple logic.
I don't know why I even respond to you (especially you thickythick). My 2 year old nephew has better logic than these guys. It's so aggravating that it literally drives me crazy.
And I'm more mad at myself. My dad taught me a long time ago that you can never win an argument with idiots. And yet, I come on here day in and day out and try to get these guys to see that what they are saying is complete and utter stupidity. Like one day they'd wake up and go, "Wow, I am pretty retarded." But that day is never going to come. Why do I keep trying?
Maybe because YOU'RE the one who's retarded? Especially if you can't see the advantage that parochial schools have. Just a thought. -
genghis dong
Your school cheatedskank;989874 wrote:Maybe because YOU'RE the one who's retarded? Especially if you can't see the advantage that parochial schools have. Just a thought. -
sherm03
Yep. That's it. You got me. I've shown all those retarded stats throughout this thread that go against what you are claiming. I have given anecdotal evidence to support my claims. You and thininthecrotch have said the same crap for over 3000 posts. And when someone shows you that what you are saying is contradictory to what actually happens, you just switch over to another one of your stocked up lines of crap.skank;989874 wrote:Maybe because YOU'RE the one who's retarded?
Yet, I'm the retarded one.
Got it. -
genghis dong
Sherm you can't fix stupidsherm03;989871 wrote:I'm going to say this again...the kids in the high schools across the state DON'T "BELONG" TO ANYONE!!!!
They aren't "your" kids. Public schools don't get to "claim" kids just because their parents live in that school district. THAT is the problem that you guys have. You think you own the kids. They aren't your property. They can...and do...go to whatever school they choose. Quit acting like the private schools are coming into your houses and kidnapping your children and forcing them to attend the private school.
It's not even fun arguing with you guys anymore. You're thoughts are so out of whack...and you refuse to listen to simple logic.
I don't know why I even respond to you (especially you thickythick). My 2 year old nephew has better logic than these guys. It's so aggravating that it literally drives me crazy.
And I'm more mad at myself. My dad taught me a long time ago that you can never win an argument with idiots. And yet, I come on here day in and day out and try to get these guys to see that what they are saying is complete and utter stupidity. Like one day they'd wake up and go, "Wow, I am pretty retarded." But that day is never going to come. Why do I keep trying? -
skank
sherm03;989878 wrote:Yep. That's it. You got me. I've shown all those retarded stats throughout this thread that go against what you are claiming. I have given anecdotal evidence to support my claims. You and thininthecrotch have said the same crap for over 3000 posts. And when someone shows you that what you are saying is contradictory to what actually happens, you just switch over to another one of your stocked up lines of crap.
Yet, I'm the retarded one.
Got it.
Why is it that the stats that I and tsst, had shown prove nothing, but the one's that you showed, mean that we should sit up and say we were wrong? -
skank
genghis dong;989880 wrote:Sherm you can't fix stupid
So then there is no hope for you? -
skank
sherm03;989878 wrote:Yep. That's it. You got me. I've shown all those retarded stats throughout this thread that go against what you are claiming. I have given anecdotal evidence to support my claims. You and thininthecrotch have said the same crap for over 3000 posts. And when someone shows you that what you are saying is contradictory to what actually happens, you just switch over to another one of your stocked up lines of crap.
Yet, I'm the retarded one.
Got it.
Let's at least look at what I brought up today, are you going to tell me, that Gerry Faust renting out a house....THAT HE OWNED....to a family from Texas, whos kids played football....FOR GERRY FAUST....Doesn't raise a red flag? -
genghis dong
Guess not, but Massillon bunch of cheatersskank;989896 wrote:So then there is no hope for you? -
skank
genghis dong;989900 wrote:Guess not, but Massillon bunch of cheaters
Ah, yeah....We got that. -
genghis dong
CHEATER!skank;989903 wrote:Ah, yeah....We got that. -
skank
genghis dong;989910 wrote:CHEATER!
At least you're spelling words correctly now, keep working on that punctuation thingy and you'll have it. Note: Don't turn to Rain Man for help. -
Darkon
I find this fuuny as hell coming from a Big Red fan!!!LOLThinthickbigred;989842 wrote:its not even near the same . You know it or if you dont you are clueless. Catholic schools can approach kids any time . they can approach parents . they can make calls they can contact them wherever . They have boosters that can talk to perspective players . They can do this because they are a private school . Ive know it to happen to friends of mine back in my days .. Central coaches have told some of our guys come to Central and you wont pay anything . Youll start a year earlier ect . public schools cant do this becuse its agaisnt the rules . and we are watched more closely .. It doesnt matter if a catholic school isnt supposed to do this they can hide behind the rules that are set up by the state .. Churches cannot be governened by state agencies .Its so easy for me to see the difference and you guys keep throwing up this same bullcrap . If Massillion were allowed to do the same as your schools they would be in the title everyyear .. They have the top HS program in the USA .. They are hamstrung by the double standards that are in place . We need seperate playoffs
Take a look in the mirror! -
skank
[h=1]Here's a nice little article I found about St. Ignatius' "new" QB. I especially like the part about where he currently lives. "in an apartment, close to the HS." Well, at least Chuck Kyle didn't have to evict a family to make room for the Williams family. Still looks fishy to me, but that's the OHSAA/Parochial school relationship for ya.
St. Ignatius QB Eric Williams fits into tradition[/h][h=5]Published: Thursday, November 24, 2011, 9:38 PM Updated: Thursday, November 24, 2011, 9:46 PM[/h]
By Bob Fortuna, The Plain Dealer The Plain Dealer
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Tim Harrison, Special to The Plain DealerSt. Ignatius quarterback Eric Williams transferred from Jesuit High in Beaverton, Ore. “This [move] was about academics and social environment, not football,†says Eric’s father, Larry, who played for both the Notre Dame Fighting Irish and the Cleveland Browns.
Joe Pickens, Scott Mutryn, Nate Szep and Andrew Holland quarterbacked St. Ignatius to at least one of its 10 Division I state football championships.
A win against Toledo Whitmer in Saturday's state semifinal would put Wildcats senior Eric Williams one victory away from joining that elite club, despite the fact he's not like the others. He didn't grow up in Northeast Ohio wanting to play for St. Ignatius, watching games deep into November, attending camps and learning about the program.
Williams was an unknown in Cleveland a year ago because he was in Beaverton, Ore., busy leading Jesuit High to the state semifinals. Until January, when he enrolled at St. Ignatius, a move often viewed as ill-advised.
"We like to get our quarterbacks when they're freshman because our system isn't easy, but that what's made Eric so remarkable," said Wildcats veteran coach Chuck Kyle. "He had to learn the system in about six months and has gotten better each week."
Williams visited St. Ignatius two summers ago but was leery when his parents, Larry Williams and Laura Lee, suggested he transfer.
"You never want to leave your friends, and they were also stunned because it came out of the blue," Eric Williams said.
"But the more I looked into it, I found it intriguing because it's so hard to get away from hearing about the tradition."
No strangers to Cleveland
His father, Larry Williams, a California native and Notre Dame graduate, learned all about St. Ignatius when he was an offensive lineman for the Browns from 1986 to '88.
He attended law school at Cleveland State before continuing his NFL career with the Chargers, Saints and Patriots. The family still has friends here, some of their five children have godparents in Cleveland and they always liked the area.
"This [move] was about academics and social environment, not football," said Larry Williams. "If this was about football, we would have looked into my alma mater [Mater Dei]."
Williams' parents believed he wasn't being challenged enough in the classroom, and they weren't happy with his development at Jesuit High. The family cleared the transfer with the Ohio High School Athletic Association, and Williams moved and enrolled in January.
He lives in an apartment close to the high school with his mom and older siblings, Kristin and Sean. His dad, the athletic director at the University of Portland, and younger brother, Louis, remained in Oregon. Louis, an eighth-grader and outstanding golfer, toured St. Ignatius a couple of months ago and is considering a transfer.
"It can be challenging, at times, but my dad and Louis are a big, big part of my daily life," said Williams, who mentioned he gets his competitive spirit from his mom, who was an All-American and national-champion tennis player at Notre Dame. "We talk a lot, every day, and they've been to a lot of my games, so it's like they're here."
Successful transition
Williams has adjusted well to a new town, new school, new classmates, new teammates and a new system, while playing a high-profile position in a well-documented program.
In the classroom, he received his first B ever. It was in pre-calculus.
"I was a little shocked, but math classes here are definitely more challenging," said Williams, who is also a basketball player. "Even now, I have a B-plus in calculus that I'm trying to get up to an A-minus."
Wide receiver Jake Mooney just laughed: "I celebrate when I get a B in anything."
Williams and his receivers wasted no time getting acquainted.
"Tim McCoy, Blake Thomas, Conor Hennessey, Eric and me worked out three times a week in the off-season, running routes and getting our timing down," Mooney said.
Safety Mike Svetina noticed Williams was very quiet when he first arrived.
"Anyone in that position would be hesitant at first," Svetina said. "When you're the QB at Ignatius, you have to be a leader, whether you want to be or not."
A good sense of humor is always a plus, too.
"Eric loves it when we call him 'E-Willy,' " McCoy said.
Williams came from a program where handing off the ball or running with it was the norm, so the Wildcats' system tested his mental toughness and capacity.
"Once I got over the initial shock, it really didn't take long to understand it," said Williams, who has scholarship offers from Cincinnati, Toledo and Eastern Michigan and is being recruited by Yale and Harvard. "The coaches were really good at explaining it and getting me to comprehend all the schemes against certain defenses.
"The biggest adjustment is getting used to the personnel, and I'm still not where I want to be with the receivers, timing-wise."
St. Ignatius quarterbacks are groomed to read defenses, especially secondaries, so they know what receivers will be open and where. Williams faced more complex defenses as the season progressed and thanks assistant coach Elvis Grbac for picking up the finer points of the game.
"You want a quarterback who plays other sports because that means they're athletes," said Grbac, a former NFL quarterback. "Eric's not one-dimensional but a lot of defenses we face don't scheme to counter his running ability, and that makes him even more dangerous.
"He's got a good feel for the pocket and makes correct reads while running or rolling out."
Williams' tight spirals, which McCoy calls "the softest and easiest balls to catch," has resulted in 1,760 yards and 19 touchdowns -- but also nine interceptions.
Life as an Ignatius QB
Hearing people talk about the mystique surrounding St. Ignatius quarterbacks is one thing. Experiencing it is another, and Williams didn't grasp the full gist of it until the season-opening kickoff.
"I had no idea how much an impact the quarterback makes on the St. Ignatius community," Williams said. "Everyone pays attention to football here, not just the players."
He got the chance to meet plenty of the former players during the Wildcats' practice on Thanksgiving morning, when former lettermen return and watch from the sidelines.
He constantly meets young children who grow up wanting to wear the yellow helmet with a blue Cat's paws on the side.
Williams never imagined getting so deep into the postseason in such a short time, but he remembers his teammates chanting, "Eleven and 11" -- winning the school's 11th state title in the year 2011 -- back in the spring.
"To now see it become a real possibility, it's cool to see all the guys get riled up about it," he said.
Longtime quarterbacks coach Nick Restifo likes Williams' mentality.
"He doesn't have a favorite receiver, just throws to the open man," said Restifo, skimming the list of numerous Wildcats players who have snagged a pass or two.
It's the only way to play quarterback at St. Ignatius, according to Williams.
"You can't survive here with a big ego because there are no stars," he said. "We all need to know [that] when someone has to step up, someone does, and it doesn't matter who it is.
"And when that person does, we let them take over the game." -
1_beast
LOL ​skewed numbers....sherm03;989878 wrote:Yep. That's it. You got me. I've shown all those retarded stats throughout this thread that go against what you are claiming. I have given anecdotal evidence to support my claims. You and thininthecrotch have said the same crap for over 3000 posts. And when someone shows you that what you are saying is contradictory to what actually happens, you just switch over to another one of your stocked up lines of crap.
Yet, I'm the retarded one.
Got it. -
tsst_fballfan
Didn't one of the Mauk boys post on Facebook that they received a "perspective student" letter from Kettering Alter last year or the year before? Seems reasonable until one realizes Kettering and Kenton are about 2 hours and 90 miles apart. Seems like that would be one hell of a commute to high school each day! :rolleyes:
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Rocket08
It is amazing that you don't realize what a stupid hypocrite you are. Your QB is from Oregon. Their QB is from Oregon. They're cheaters, you do nothing wrongskank;990000 wrote:Here's a nice little article I found about St. Ignatius' "new" QB. I especially like the part about where he currently lives. "in an apartment, close to the HS.
That's basically why we laugh at you while we're typing. Plus, it's pretty obvious that you have no life. But that goes without saying -
Rocket08
Umm notsst_fballfan;990072 wrote:Didn't one of the Mauk boys post on Facebook that they received a "perspective student" letter from Kettering Alter last year or the year before? Seems reasonable until one realizes Kettering and Kenton are about 2 hours and 90 miles apart. Seems like that would be one hell of a commute to high school each day! :rolleyes: -
tsst_fballfan
Ok I stand corrected. Must have been a Facebook database error.Rocket08;990189 wrote:Umm no -
1_beast
Massillons qb family moved to Ohio....ST IGGY just split the family...dad stayed in Oregon....not divorced....seems alot different to me!Rocket08;990187 wrote:It is amazing that you don't realize what a stupid hypocrite you are. Your QB is from Oregon. Their QB is from Oregon. They're cheaters, you do nothing wrong
That's basically why we laugh at you while we're typing. Plus, it's pretty obvious that you have no life. But that goes without saying -
genghis dong
Why are you looking at a kids facebook? creep.tsst_fballfan;990281 wrote:Ok I stand corrected. Must have been a Facebook database error. -
Dean Wormer
He moved because Massillon hooked him up with a job. Ignatius doesn't have that much clout. I know Skanky, that's not what happened right? They could have promoted anyone in the company but this guys kid just happened to be a QB. Of course he must not be that good because you guys are still sitting home on championship weekend. That goes for you thicky too. I just love when your little red takes an arse kicking by Mooney. It's getting to be an annual beatdown isn't it?1_beast;990352 wrote:Massillons qb family moved to Ohio....ST IGGY just split the family...dad stayed in Oregon....not divorced....seems alot different to me!