Is it time for private schools to have theyre own playoffs in football

• skank

  

  rmolin73;990875 wrote:Like most people have explained to you to the point of insanity Youngstown went from 6 high schools to now just one that has sports. So do you honestly believe that most of those parents who choose to stay in Youngstown aren't going to decide to send their kids to Mooney or Ursuline? All and I repeat all of the schools in Youngstown have benefitted from this. The demographics at, Fitch, Boardman, Liberty, Girard, and Poland have changed dramitically from where they were 20 years ago. If you look at most of the rosters from those schools you will see the last names of former YPS players. If you look at Mooney's roster you will see the names of people that went to Mooney with a few kids whose parents "CHOSE" a better school academically. If you look at Ursuline's roster they are loaded with the same but they have more kids whos parents went to YPS. Mooney has always been good if you are trying to say that they are doing something shady you are dumber than I even thought you were. Ursuline took advantage of the plight of Youngstown Schools as did Fitch, Boardman, Liberty, Girard, and Poland.
  
  Face it Mooney is, has been, and will always be better coached than Steubenville and Massillon is just another decent D1 school that thinks they are what they used to be. The Mecca of HS football? Give me a freaking break that is the problem people assume this and blame it on the private schools. It's more like the Mecca of Good Old Boy politics. The data is there the poster that stated that 2% to 5% of Massillon is open enrollment was him guessing. But on the flip side the probability of kids from Mooney not coming from their feeder schools is probably the same 2% to 5%. My question to you is where is the data regarding all of your incoherent, delusional, uneducated accusations?

  
  
  THEIR feeder schools? I thought nobody owned these kids. (except for parochials of course)
• Con_Alma

  ...because they have feeder schools doesn't mean they own the rights to them. No school system owns the rights of any child.
• sherm03

  

  skank;991232 wrote:THEIR feeder schools? I thought nobody owned these kids. (except for parochials of course)

  Their feeder schools...as in Money's feeder schools. That doesn't mean that Mooney owns the kids. Just that the private grade schools south of downtown feed into Mooney. The possession in the phrase refers directly to the system of private grade schools that feed into Mooney.
  
  God you are worthless.
• rmolin73

  

  skank;991203 wrote:What's that say about your school? In the Massillon thread, you said that your AD would need to aquire some balls to schedule Massillon. Guess your AD still buys into the myth.

  I'm not the AD but apparently he doesn't buy into the myth either. He would like to schedule a bigger opponent that can make the playoffs.
• Dean Wormer

  rmolin73;991345 wrote:I'm not the AD but apparently he doesn't buy into the myth either. He would like to schedule a bigger opponent that can make the playoffs.

  Wow Skanky, he's got you there!!!
• 1_beast

  

  skank;991232 wrote:THEIR feeder schools? I thought nobody owned these kids. (except for parochials of course)

  
  Interesting, eh?
• sherm03

  

  1_beast;991434 wrote:Interesting, eh?

  Nope...not interesting. Just skank trying to misconstrue the phrase.
• tsst_fballfan

  

  As recently as 2005 the myth as some call Massillon was within 7 points of a state championship against a private school literally twice its size. Just saying. If that's not playing football what is?
• redstreak one

  

  sherm03;986887 wrote:I don't know why people don't choose Mooney and Ursuline over say WGH or Fitch. But they do. Whatever the reason. Maybe it's a playing time thing. Maybe the kids don't want to deal with the tougher academics. Maybe the parents cannot afford to purchase the required school uniforms. Maybe some people hate Catholic schools as much as some of you guys on here and refuse to send their kids there. Maybe one kid decides he wants to go to WGH and his group of friends decides they want to stay together in high school instead of splitting up. Who knows people's reason for not choosing Mooney or Ursuline. I sure as hell wish they would pick Mooney or Ursuline every time. But they don't. That's just how stuff goes. Maybe there's a reason we'll never really know...like the kid that went to Catholic grade school and then to Mooney, but just transferred at the end of last year to Austintown Fitch (he probably would have gotten good PT at RB this year for the Cards, too instead of riding the bench behind Will Mahone).
  
  And Mooney is growing. In case you didn't notice, they have jumped up from Div IV to Div III recently. And if they keep winning, kids will continue to want to be a part of it and keep showing up at the doorstep.
  
  I'm interested to hear, since you know the answer, what it is. Because I just provided a number of very realistic possibilities. But please...tell me what you think it is. I already know your answer, and I guarantee that my possibilities are more realistic than your conspiracy theory.

  So they jump 1 division and Ursuline doesnt at all. You say maybe because they have to buy a school uniform or uniforms, or because of the strong academics and discipline? All I agree with, plus the stringent entrance policies, notice anything different about a parochial versus a public? How many IEP's are written at these fine institution? The national average is around 15 percent, our public school its about 20. All of these factors mean that these parochials maintain a lower enrollment, and what enrollment does get in is the best of the best, while a public must, I said MUST take anyone who lives within the boundaries of its district. They cannot expel an IEP kid, they cannot require entrance exams, they cannot deny enrollment in any way shape or form to any kid!
  
  That is the difference! Parochials receive state money through vouchers but do NOT have to play by the same rules as a public, man it gets old arguing with you guys when you wont even acknowledge this difference.
  
  No parochial does it on PURPOSE, they only want to create the best environment possible while bringing in the most students for tuition. However, it is a BYPRODUCT of the system and one that greatly benefits its sports teams! Especially in Youngstown, the perfect storm for high school football. A strong private program in the middle of a great big public school mess that can keep out the riff raff and limit its enrollment!
• Rocket08

  tsst_fballfan;991496 wrote:As recently as 2005 the myth as some call Massillon was within 7 points of a state championship against a private school literally twice its size. Just saying. If that's not playing football what is?

  You know that your program is a mess when all you have to brag about is a close loss 6 years ago :laugh:
• Rocket08

  redstreak one;991573 wrote:
  That is the difference! Parochials receive state money through vouchers but do NOT have to play by the same rules as a public, man it gets old arguing with you guys when you wont even acknowledge this difference.
  
  No parochial does it on PURPOSE, they only want to create the best environment possible while bringing in the most students for tuition. However, it is a BYPRODUCT of the system and one that greatly benefits its sports teams! Especially in Youngstown, the perfect storm for high school football. A strong private program in the middle of a great big public school mess that can keep out the riff raff and limit its enrollment!

  Maybe you should give a little more effort to listening rather than arguing.
  
  There are more than a few Parochial School fans that would have no problem with a multiplier, and that's the best thing we have to address the problems that you brought up. However, now you have to think about the schools that are not football powers and this system would literally kill their chances of ever making the playoffs. There were at least a half dozen private schools just in Ursuline's region that didn't make the playoffs, most of them haven't been close in more than a decade
  
  So it swings both ways. In Region's 1 and 2, 14 of the 16 playoff qualifiers were Public. How does that happen? What are they doing right Steubenville makes the playoffs every year. How does that happen? In D2 only 2 Parochial Schools made the playoffs, and they were both 1 and done, losing to Public Schools
  
  Mooney makes the finals (again) and the world's going to end. They've lost 3 times in the State Finals, all to Public Schools. Why didn't they listen to all of this crying and just rollover?
  
  While looking hard for answers to your issues, schools also need to look at themselves as well
• Thinthickbigred

  rmolin73;991345 wrote:I'm not the AD but apparently he doesn't buy into the myth either. He would like to schedule a bigger opponent that can make the playoffs.

  I honestly dont know why you are beating the catholic school drum . Now you are blindly ignoring any facts agaisnt these illegal schools . You have zero objectivity
• Rocket08

  Thinthickbigred;991690 wrote:I honestly dont know why you are beating the catholic school drum . Now you are blindly ignoring any facts agaisnt these illegal schools . You have zero objectivity

  AND YOU DO!!!!! :laugh:
  
  You're a freakin joke
• redstreak one

  

  A multiplier that also addresses the issue of population density would be a good start. This would protect many of these small parochial school issues as well. Not football, but 4 years ago I watched a Western Pike DIV school get knocked out in the Regional finals on a last second shot against Harvest Prep. Western Pike, one of the poorest parts of the state, 40% poverty rate. They have made it to the state tournament 1 time in 70 years of basketball and get the team of a lifetime and get knocked out by the good clean program of Harvest Prep. Who is protecting our small rural public schools?
  
  There are anomallies, however the statistics dont lie. Parochial schools have an advantage and a multiplier would be a good start.
• Thinthickbigred

  Rocket08;991698 wrote:AND YOU DO!!!!! :laugh:
  
  You're a freakin joke

  I am impartial . I only speak of facts that i know of . Sure we talk a little junk back and forth but I am just speaking truth . you on the other hand are blindly biased and say lies all the time to prtect your agenda ..
• Thinthickbigred

  Rocket08;991606 wrote:You know that your program is a mess when all you have to brag about is a close loss 6 years ago :laugh:

  see now that is just a dumb statement . Massillon was what 7-3 last year they have been to the playoffs several times this decade > How is that a mess .. Just because they cant recruit the greater Stark county area like your Mooney does the Mohoning county . If the same rules applied to Massillon they would destroy most of Ohio like they used to . Its a fixed system run by crooks that have there hands in the offering plate
• tsst_fballfan

  

  Rocket08;991606 wrote:You know that your program is a mess when all you have to brag about is a close loss 6 years ago :laugh:

  Not my program at all. I am just not as blinded by the hate as your ilk. :rolleyes:
• Al Bundy

  redstreak one;991716 wrote:A multiplier that also addresses the issue of population density would be a good start. This would protect many of these small parochial school issues as well. Not football, but 4 years ago I watched a Western Pike DIV school get knocked out in the Regional finals on a last second shot against Harvest Prep. Western Pike, one of the poorest parts of the state, 40% poverty rate. They have made it to the state tournament 1 time in 70 years of basketball and get the team of a lifetime and get knocked out by the good clean program of Harvest Prep. Who is protecting our small rural public schools?
  
  There are anomallies, however the statistics dont lie. Parochial schools have an advantage and a multiplier would be a good start.

  Did someone forget to tell the MAC schools that they need protecting? Not every school is going to win the same number of championships no matter how much you would like to manipulate the rules.
• rmolin73

  

  Thinthickbigred;991690 wrote:I honestly dont know why you are beating the catholic school drum . Now you are blindly ignoring any facts agaisnt these illegal schools . You have zero objectivity

  What facts? Where is the data to support your facts? How am I not being objective? When many of the private school guys have stated that they would be for a multiplier. But that isn't enough for you and skank. You want out so that you guys don't have to face Mooney and skank wants it so that they can just come close to their first title on the field. As far as the rural school whining then someone needs to send this message to Coldwater, Marion Local, and Kenton because they're out of the loop.
• redstreak one

  

  Al Bundy;991871 wrote:Did someone forget to tell the MAC schools that they need protecting? Not every school is going to win the same number of championships no matter how much you would like to manipulate the rules.[/QUOTE
  
  Keep using those same schools to support your cause. Pike county has the highest unemployment rate in Ohio, the average family income of 25000 dollars, St. Henry was just rated 3rd in the country for small cities, 69000 average income. Yep, no difference their.
  
  That is why they tried to get a part in about free and reduced lunches, socio economics play a part. Keep your head in the sand please.

• Al Bundy

  redstreak one;991917 wrote:

  Al Bundy;991871 wrote:Did someone forget to tell the MAC schools that they need protecting? Not every school is going to win the same number of championships no matter how much you would like to manipulate the rules.[/QUOTE
  
  Keep using those same schools to support your cause. Pike county has the highest unemployment rate in Ohio, the average family income of 25000 dollars, St. Henry was just rated 3rd in the country for small cities, 69000 average income. Yep, no difference their.
  
  That is why they tried to get a part in about free and reduced lunches, socio economics play a part. Keep your head in the sand please.

  There is no evidence that income has an affect on level of football. Look at college footbal and the NFL. Most of the players come from lower class or middle class backgrounds.

• rmolin73

  

  redstreak one;991917 wrote:

  Al Bundy;991871 wrote:Did someone forget to tell the MAC schools that they need protecting? Not every school is going to win the same number of championships no matter how much you would like to manipulate the rules.[/QUOTE
  
  Keep using those same schools to support your cause. Pike county has the highest unemployment rate in Ohio, the average family income of 25000 dollars, St. Henry was just rated 3rd in the country for small cities, 69000 average income. Yep, no difference their.
  
  That is why they tried to get a part in about free and reduced lunches, socio economics play a part. Keep your head in the sand please.

  Do you show the same kind of support for inner city schools? The city of Toledo is just a tad bit above that with $32,000.

• Al Bundy

  rmolin73;991929 wrote:

  redstreak one;991917 wrote:
  Do you show the same kind of support for inner city schools? The city of Toledo is just a tad bit above that with $32,000.

  If the private schools take more voucher kids, their level of free/reduced lunches will most likely increase. According to redstreak, that will make it harder for them to compete.

• rmolin73

  

  Al Bundy;991942 wrote:

  rmolin73;991929 wrote:
  If the private schools take more voucher kids, their level of free/reduced lunches will most likely increase. According to redstreak, that will make it harder for them to compete.

  Heck Youngstown is $24,201 and he is asking for help just because they are rural.

• genghis dong

  Thinthickbigred;991751 wrote:I am impartial . I only speak of facts that i know of . Sure we talk a little junk back and forth but I am just speaking truth . you on the other hand are blindly biased and say lies all the time to prtect your agenda ..

  First of all you don't speak of any facts. I do have a fact for you your qb is from West Virginia.