Is it time for private schools to have theyre own playoffs in football

• skank

  

  Rocket08;954000 wrote:Heck Sherm
  
  Even Massillon got 2 out of 22
  
  Kind of interesting that a kid from Oregon would choose to go there when there are a handful of surrounding school systems rated EXCELLENT

  
  
  And I find it interesting that a guy whos school gets kids from all over Youngstown, (and western Pa.), finds it interesting that another school got a kid from elsewhere.
• skank

  

  Rocket08;954108 wrote:I guess that went over your head

  
  
  That would imply that you, for at least a split second, were more intelligent than someone else on here.
• sherm03

  

  skank;954127 wrote:And I find it interesting that a guy whos school gets kids from all over Youngstown, (and western Pa.), finds it interesting that another school got a kid from elsewhere.

  Prove it.
• genghis dong

  skank;953708 wrote:Yeah, and if you guys had worried more about actually beating Ursuline, instead of whining about getting back at them for destroying you last year, maybe you would have won THIS year.

  Maybe instead of crying about the unfair advantages private schools have over publics. You should have worried more about McKinley. Then you wouldn't have lost to them, and you might even be playing in week 11. You do know they don't give state championships away anymore right. You have to earn them on the field, and actually make the playoffs.
• genghis dong

  skank;953693 wrote:How long are you and the parochial 7 gonna use this joke? Hoban in a down year, and an overrated RL team. On the other hand, someone forgot to tell St. X, St. Ed, Moeller, St Ignatius, Elder, Mooney, Ursuline, St. Johns, Newark Catholic, Benedictine, St V, etc....how level the playing field is, and that they're not supposed to win all the time. Oh, wait, I forgot, they just want it more. There may just come a time, when everyone wakes up and realizes that the titles won during this, "parochial era", are just as skewed, and just as unfair as the ones won pre 1972.

  How can Hoban be in a down year? You have told us for 118 pages that the private schools don't play by the same rules and recruit kids from everywhere. So what Hoban didn't feel like going out and getting kids this year? Hoban is a private school and should be able to get kids from all over to come in, but somehow are down this year? Or is Hoban the only one who doesn't do that. Maybe they can try to get some kids from Oregon? Sorry that is a pipe line state for Massilon
• 1_beast

  

  LOL this thread always brings the lulz
• BlueJ

  What I don't understand are all these so called "advantages" private schools have.
  
  1) Voucher program- Guess what, you can attend any public school for free... advantage publics
  2) Coaches- Every year in Delphos we hear rumors of Coach Schulte leaving to go to a public school because he would be paid better and get a retirement plan that only public school employees can have... advantage publics
  3) Private Schools get there kids from the surrounding area- All public schools have the option of open enrollment... tie
  
  Other Public advantages are;
  1) Most Private schools have a strict dress code (I know at DSJ you have to wear a tie, a collared shirt, dress socks, and dress shoes every day)
  2) Private school kids have to attend church at least once a week.
  3) I know it was kind of already mentioned but you have to pay to go to school there. ( I know my parents did and I played football)
  
  So far in this 119 page thread all I have read is how Private schools have all of these so called "advantages" but honestly the way things are it's amazing to me that any private school has any success at all. I also find it very interesting that many of the MAC powerhouse schools (Marion Local, Coldwater, St. Henry) are all Catholic communities that just don't have private schools, and have prayer in their public schools. Maybe it just has something to do with families that have religious values where the parents are involved with their kids lives. Just a thought.
• BlueJ

  Also Lehman Catholic is down this year, and just a few years ago (2007) Delphos St. Johns went 2-8... 2-8 is a pretty bad record for a team that supposedly recruits and plays in a public school conference. I forgot though, teams like Coldwater and Marion Local are allowed to be good every year, but if DSJ does the same thing then we are the ones breaking the rules. I know I bring up the MAC a lot, but DSJ is in the MAC so it's kind of all I am familiar with. Actually if you ask what the public schools in the MAC think almost all of them will tell you they want to keeps the playoff system the way it is, no separate playoffs, not even a multiplier.
• sherm03

  

  BlueJ;956400 wrote:Also Lehman Catholic is down this year, and just a few years ago (2007) Delphos St. Johns went 2-8... 2-8 is a pretty bad record for a team that supposedly recruits and plays in a public school conference. I forgot though, teams like Coldwater and Marion Local are allowed to be good every year, but if DSJ does the same thing then we are the ones breaking the rules. I know I bring up the MAC a lot, but DSJ is in the MAC so it's kind of all I am familiar with. Actually if you ask what the public schools in the MAC think almost all of them will tell you they want to keeps the playoff system the way it is, no separate playoffs, not even a multiplier.

  People also forget that Mooney went 5-5 (2000 season), 0-10 (2001), and 5-5 (2002). Ursuline went 3-7 (2001), 5-5 (2002), 5-5 (2003), 3-7 (2005), and 5-5 (2006).
  
  I really would like some of the people who claim that private schools are cheaters to explain some of these records...
• BlueJ

  I don't think most people think that the Privates are cheaters. I think that most think we have an advantage. Hence why most posters want to see a change in the rules or just see the private schools go elsewhere. A lot of people think the Privates keep kids away to keep their numbers down, which to me doesn't make sense since that is where their income comes from.
  
  I think the only real advantage private schools have is that some private schools cannot take in special needs students because they don't have the staff or money to handle them. As cold as it sounds I wouldn't mind seeing them adjust the rules so schools wouldn't count students who were either physically or emotionally unable to play sports in their athletic enrollment numbers.
  
  Other than that it's just a lot of people from schools who aren't winning upset and looking for someone to blame. Look at any team that wins. Everyone hates the Yankees, Red Sox, Patriots, ect... if you're not a fan of a successful private school then you hate them... it's human nature.
• skank

  

  BlueJ;956394 wrote:What I don't understand are all these so called "advantages" private schools have.
  
  1) Voucher program- Guess what, you can attend any public school for free... advantage publics
  2) Coaches- Every year in Delphos we hear rumors of Coach Schulte leaving to go to a public school because he would be paid better and get a retirement plan that only public school employees can have... advantage publics
  3) Private Schools get there kids from the surrounding area- All public schools have the option of open enrollment... tie
  
  Other Public advantages are;
  1) Most Private schools have a strict dress code (I know at DSJ you have to wear a tie, a collared shirt, dress socks, and dress shoes every day)
  2) Private school kids have to attend church at least once a week.
  3) I know it was kind of already mentioned but you have to pay to go to school there. ( I know my parents did and I played football)
  
  So far in this 119 page thread all I have read is how Private schools have all of these so called "advantages" but honestly the way things are it's amazing to me that any private school has any success at all. I also find it very interesting that many of the MAC powerhouse schools (Marion Local, Coldwater, St. Henry) are all Catholic communities that just don't have private schools, and have prayer in their public schools. Maybe it just has something to do with families that have religious values where the parents are involved with their kids lives. Just a thought.

  
  
  Do you mean surrounding STATES? Cue the Gerry Faust rental to the Francisco family music. Also, since when is Rocky River, Brecksville, Painsville, Brush, Solon, Oregon, an area close to Ignatius?
• sherm03

  

  BlueJ;956746 wrote:I don't think most people think that the Privates are cheaters. I think that most think we have an advantage. Hence why most posters want to see a change in the rules or just see the private schools go elsewhere. A lot of people think the Privates keep kids away to keep their numbers down, which to me doesn't make sense since that is where their income comes from.
  
  I think the only real advantage private schools have is that some private schools cannot take in special needs students because they don't have the staff or money to handle them. As cold as it sounds I wouldn't mind seeing them adjust the rules so schools wouldn't count students who were either physically or emotionally unable to play sports in their athletic enrollment numbers.
  
  Other than that it's just a lot of people from schools who aren't winning upset and looking for someone to blame. Look at any team that wins. Everyone hates the Yankees, Red Sox, Patriots, ect... if you're not a fan of a successful private school then you hate them... it's human nature.

  I would agree with that. MOST people think there's some sort of advantage. However, the few that think private schools cheat are a very vocal minority. And it's exhausting having to read/hear their crap constantly.
  
  I have said before on this thread that I would not mind the OHSAA allowing schools to remove those students from their numbers for athletic purposes. However, it's a thin line. There would have to be policies in place to make sure that schools aren't using that as a loop hole. I feel like if you allow schools to not count a student, that student must be added to a list and not allowed to participate on the team. It sounds harsh. But I think some schools are so desperate that they would be willing to say that students with ADD (for example) shouldn't count towards their enrollment numbers even though those kids are fully capable of still participating in a sport.
• Dean Wormer

  Sherm and Blue,
  
  Why do you two keep arguing with the resident Catholic hater Skank. You guys make way too much sense for him to comprehend. He is stuck in a time warp of 1974. Gerry Faust must have cut him from Moeller for him to continue to bring him up some 37 years after he left the school.
• skank

  

  Dean Wormer;956757 wrote:Sherm and Blue,
  
  Why do you two keep arguing with the resident Catholic hater Skank. You guys make way too much sense for him to comprehend. He is stuck in a time warp of 1974. Gerry Faust must have cut him from Moeller for him to continue to bring him up some 39 years after he left the school.

  
  
  Let's leave the stand up to sherman, huh?
  
  He didn't cut me from the team, but I bet the family he evicted to make room for the Francisco family doesn't like him. Also, why would you say I hate Catholics? If a midget breaks into my house at gun point and steals everything, and I happen to speak bad of said midget....It doesn't mean that I hate all midgets.
• BlueJ

  I don't know why I argue. I don't think anyone will ever change their minds. It seems skank's problem is with the bigger schools, which I honestly don't know anything about. My latest response wasn't even directed at him. Someone else made a post that included St. Johns so I felt the need to chime in.
  
  I went through a Private program and I was very proud of what me and my classmates accomplished (We weren't one of the title teams in my two years on varsity). Only a few years later did I find out about high school message boards and I began to see what people said about our program. You'd think that the words of someone who went through the program would carry more weight than someone on the other side of the state who knows nothing about the subject. However, if you look at the top of the page it's almost 50/50 on people who would want all private's to have a separate playoff. If any of those D1 privates do recruit, that's fine, punish them, but to put all privates in the same boat and to punish them all doesn't sound right either.
• BlueJ

  1_beast;954071 wrote:Public schools don't hand out vouchers...
  
  Thanks for playing.

  I thought this was funny. Why would a public school hand out a voucher??? It's free
• Dean Wormer

  BlueJ;956785 wrote:I thought this was funny. Why would a public school hand out a voucher??? It's free

  There you go again with logic. I can't seem to make these guys see that getting kids from "ANYWHERE" in the state of Ohio through open enrollment isn't leveling any playing field. And they do that with our tax dollars. Of course that isn't evicting a family so the Francisco family could move in. Skank this story gets better and better. Pretty soon the evicted family will have some disabled children and they were thrown out on Christmas eve.
• skank

  

  Bluej, you speak of the voucher system compared to OE, and you make it sound like it's just so easy for a kid to transfer. If it were THAT easy, Whitmer wouldn't have been investigated this offseason. As far as vouchers themselves, I believe it's an easy way to target athletes, (maybe not so mush at the smaller schools, but definately at the mid and larger schools).
• Thinthickbigred

  :@:mad::mad:
• 1_beast

  

  BlueJ;956785 wrote:I thought this was funny. Why would a public school hand out a voucher??? It's free

  This is funny too...why would a private hand out a voucher? To make it FREE, so the disadvantaged family can bring their 6'5 320 lb kid in for ACADEMIC excellence!
• rmolin73

  

  skank;957487 wrote:Bluej, you speak of the voucher system compared to OE, and you make it sound like it's just so easy for a kid to transfer. If it were THAT easy, Whitmer wouldn't have been investigated this offseason. As far as vouchers themselves, I believe it's an easy way to target athletes, (maybe not so mush at the smaller schools, but definately at the mid and larger schools).

  Whitmer does not have open enrollment. Next!:rolleyes:
• dover2092

  

  sherm03;956753 wrote:I would agree with that. MOST people think there's some sort of advantage. However, the few that think private schools cheat are a very vocal minority. And it's exhausting having to read/hear their crap constantly.
  
  I have said before on this thread that I would not mind the OHSAA allowing schools to remove those students from their numbers for athletic purposes. However, it's a thin line. There would have to be policies in place to make sure that schools aren't using that as a loop hole. I feel like if you allow schools to not count a student, that student must be added to a list and not allowed to participate on the team. It sounds harsh. But I think some schools are so desperate that they would be willing to say that students with ADD (for example) shouldn't count towards their enrollment numbers even though those kids are fully capable of still participating in a sport.

  I have avoided this thread and do not think there should be seperate playoffs. Just to comment on your post, our local public schools have had to deal with an influx of illegal immigrants' children. 30 non-English speaking students can show up in a year at our door and by law we can't turn them away. Yet another tear at the American fabric. I'm guessing private schools do not have this problem.
• rmolin73

  

  dover2092;973282 wrote:I have avoided this thread and do not think there should be seperate playoffs. Just to comment on your post, our local public schools have had to deal with an influx of illegal immigrants' children. 30 non-English speaking students can show up in a year at our door and by law we can't turn them away. Yet another tear at the American fabric. I'm guessing private schools do not have this problem.

  Nor do a lot of other schools in Ohio.
• 1_beast

  

  rmolin73;973250 wrote:Whitmer does not have open enrollment. Next!:rolleyes:

  I thought...(i do not know for sure) that some kind of exception was made due to the Toledo school issues/closings/elimination of extra-curriculars????
• rmolin73

  

  1_beast;973401 wrote:I thought...(i do not know for sure) that some kind of exception was made due to the Toledo school issues/closings/elimination of extra-curriculars????

  Negative again Whitmer is not part of Toledo Public Schools but they are their own school district Washington Local. You have to live in Washington local school district to attend Whitmer or any other Washington Local School. That has never changed. There was only one TPS school that closed and that was Libbey and the kids from Libbey went to other TPS schools. TPS eliminated all junior high sports and some other non revenue high school sports (cross, wrestling, golf, tennis) but they were brought back this year.