Is it time for private schools to have theyre own playoffs in football

• skank

  

  Dean Wormer;947459 wrote:Sherm
  
  What he means is Ursuline is too good for his school so he doesn't want to play them. It's a shame that these whiners can't hide during the playoffs. It would be a lot quicker to just let the teams like Coldwater or Marion Local line up and play the parochial schools.

  
  
  You guys love to hang your hat on Coldwater and Marion, ok, we've already established they play pretty good football.
• Al Bundy

  skank;948047 wrote:You guys love to hang your hat on Coldwater and Marion, ok, we've already established they play pretty good football.

  Good football programs win. It isn't about being public or private. There are many public programs that are good, and there are many private programs that are bad.
• oldsmithie

  Rocket08: First you don't understand my post, then when I explain it to you, your response is: "It's none of my business" thats the best you can do?
• Rocket08

  You didn't explain anything to me. Just more discussion of complaining
  
  blah, blah, blah
• BlueJ

  I didn't just "hang my hat" on Coldwater and Marion (actually didn't even mention Coldwater). I did, however, point out 6 other public schools that have at least won 2 state titles in D5 and D6. Marion Local and St. Henry both winning 4. Like Al Bundy said, it has nothing to do with public or private. Good programs win and bad ones don't. Good programs don't whine and complain, bad ones do. Simple as that. My guess is that your program is one of the bad ones, therefore someone has to be bending the rules.
• Rocket08

  ^^^
  
  Nice post
• Thinthickbigred

  BIG CAT;947395 wrote:Public's just need to quit scheduling the privates.. Look what happen to Ursuline.

  interesting point
• skank

  

  BlueJ;948531 wrote:I didn't just "hang my hat" on Coldwater and Marion (actually didn't even mention Coldwater). I did, however, point out 6 other public schools that have at least won 2 state titles in D5 and D6. Marion Local and St. Henry both winning 4. Like Al Bundy said, it has nothing to do with public or private. Good programs win and bad ones don't. Good programs don't whine and complain, bad ones do. Simple as that. My guess is that your program is one of the bad ones, therefore someone has to be bending the rules.

  I know YOU didn't mention Coldwater, Wormer did. You seem to concentrate on the smaller schools, which, judging by your screen name, I understand. Things aren't so peachy in DI, where MY interests are. Since 2000, 7 of the 11 champions have been parochial, three of them being multiple winners in St I, St X, and Elder. I could go on, but actually, if you want more info, read through the thread, I'm not going to get in to all the numbers again. Btw, your guess would be wrong, MY guess is that the parochial school OC posters are down playing their situation in the same way that rich old man that married Anna Nicole Smith, downplayed money being an issue in their marriage.
• Al Bundy

  skank;948585 wrote:I know YOU didn't mention Coldwater, Wormer did. You seem to concentrate on the smaller schools, which, judging by your screen name, I understand. Things aren't so peachy in DI, where MY interests are. Since 2000, 7 of the 11 champions have been parochial, three of them being multiple winners in St I, St X, and Elder. I could go on, but actually, if you want more info, read through the thread, I'm not going to get in to all the numbers again. Btw, your guess would be wrong, MY guess is that the parochial school OC posters are down playing their situation in the same way that rich old man that married Anna Nicole Smith, downplayed money being an issue in their marriage.

  This also applies to D1. Good football programs win. It isn't about being public or private. There are many public programs that are good, and there are many private programs that are bad.
• Dean Wormer

  BlueJ;948531 wrote:I didn't just "hang my hat" on Coldwater and Marion (actually didn't even mention Coldwater). I did, however, point out 6 other public schools that have at least won 2 state titles in D5 and D6. Marion Local and St. Henry both winning 4. Like Al Bundy said, it has nothing to do with public or private. Good programs win and bad ones don't. Good programs don't whine and complain, bad ones do. Simple as that. My guess is that your program is one of the bad ones, therefore someone has to be bending the rules.

  There you go again with that logic thing. I warned you about that. Skank has you on his hit list now. I just hope he didn't read your post to thick or you will have the Stueby people all over you too.
• skank

  

  Al Bundy;948624 wrote:This also applies to D1. Good football programs win. It isn't about being public or private. There are many public programs that are good, and there are many private programs that are bad.

  So, in DI, which private would you actually use the word BAD for?
• BlueJ

  When it comes to the bigger schools I can't really comment on the issue. I'm not really familiar with how big schools operate, and I don't comment on things I don't know anything about.
• skank

  

  But....You just did. You tried to paint the whole situation with one broad brush, then admitted you're "not really familiar with how big schools operate".
• skank

  

  BlueJ;948661 wrote:When it comes to the bigger schools I can't really comment on the issue. I'm not really familiar with how big schools operate, and I don't comment on things I don't know anything about.

  
  
  If only Rain Man would follow this practice.
• sherm03

  

  Thinthickbigred;948578 wrote:interesting point

  No, it's not. It's a bad point. I just proved that Ursuline played 2 public schools two years ago...and won a state championship. They played 3 public schools last year...and won a state championship. They played 4 public schools this year...and might not make the playoffs.
  
  So the idea that publics just shouldn't schedule the privates as a way to "punish" them, is just dumb.
• Dean Wormer

  sherm03;948849 wrote:No, it's not. It's a bad point. I just proved that Ursuline played 2 public schools two years ago...and won a state championship. They played 3 public schools last year...and won a state championship. They played 4 public schools this year...and might not make the playoffs.
  
  So the idea that publics just shouldn't schedule the privates as a way to "punish" them, is just dumb.

  Sherm
  
  Have you been hanging out with blueJ? There you go with the logic. There is no room in this argument for logic so knock it off. Just post a bunch of BS about how parochial schools cheat and the poor little public schools can't compete.
• oldsmithie

  Rocket08: Hahahah! Evidently you did not read my original post! I am for the playoffs staying the way they are!!!! I was not doing one bit of complaining, just trying to have a dialogue. I guess the only opinion that matters to you is your own.
• GRAYWOLF

  

  116 pages???????????????? you guys, have it all figured out yet.
  
  Do privates have a advantage over home grown public schools???????? My answer yes
  Will anyone do anything about it?????????????? My answer no
• hilliardfan

  Of the OHSAA 24 regions there are two private schools with the #1 seed (Regions 5 and 10). So, if the publics just do what they should then chances are there will be no private schools in the state championship games.
• GRAYWOLF

  

  hilliardfan;949155 wrote:Of the OHSAA 24 regions there are two private schools with the #1 seed (Regions 5 and 10). So, if the publics just do what they should then chances are there will be no private schools in the state championship games.

  Question for you. Approximately Privates make up 15% of all schools. How many in the playoffs. By region use 32 as denominator. I bet its more then 15%. D-3 I see 10/32 which is 31.25%. I'm being a little selfish because that's all i care about but that's double.
• 1_beast

  

  GRAYWOLF;949174 wrote:Question for you. Approximately Privates make up 15% of all schools. How many in the playoffs. By region use 32 as denominator. I bet its more then 15%. D-3 I see 10/32 which is 31.25%. I'm being a little selfish because that's all i care about but that's double.

  
  EHHHH dont try using numbers and logic with these clowns...they only look through the peep hole. Stats dont mean anything, us publics need to make our kids tougher, practice harder..blah, blah, blah
• Delphosfan

  GRAYWOLF;949148 wrote:116 pages???????????????? you guys, have it all figured out yet.
  
  Do privates have a advantage over home grown public schools???????? My answer yes
  Will anyone do anything about it?????????????? My answer no

  How many of those are there? I think 75-80% of public schools are open enrollment now. Pulling in kids from all over.
• sherm03

  

  1_beast;949244 wrote:EHHHH dont try using numbers and logic with these clowns...they only look through the peep hole. Stats dont mean anything, us publics need to make our kids tougher, practice harder..blah, blah, blah

  Clearly you did not read my posts earlier in this thread where all I showed were stats and figures that it's just a small number of schools (both private and public) that have won and continue to win state championships.
  
  Yes, private schools make up 15% of the total number of schools. But of that...only 36 private schools have won at least 1 state championship.
  
  The flaw in your logic (and the logic of the people who think the parochial schools are cheaters) is that you believe that all schools have the exact same chance to make the playoffs and win a state championship every year. They don't. Some schools have young coaches who are still learning things. Some schools have an undersized line that can't match up. Some schools are hit with injuries. The bottom line, some schools have a better chance at winning a state championship than others for a variety of reasons. To say that it is not right that private schools only make up 15% of the schools, but 30% of the teams in the D3 playoffs, is just wrong. Regions are not set up on a perfectly even basis...which skews numbers.
  
  So don't try to act like everyone on here is so open to stats and logic. Because that's all I've used. And people just completely overlook them.
• doghouse riley

  From a basketball perspective, Garfield Hts gets to state with almost all of their players from outside Garfield Hts (last year all were), Taft wins state with a bunch of transfers. Sorry, I'm a public school guy but I can't support separate championships until the excesses at public schools are addressed. We all know privates have a huge advantage. I'm just not sure I want to trade one system of recruiting for another.
• GRAYWOLF

  

  you just proved my argument open enrollment was an attempt to level the playing field. I just proved to you this band aid that OHSAA came up with to satisfy the public schools has not leveled the playing field. I understand nothing will be done. But to say that the problem has been resolved is incorrect. Can you explain how one year Mooney had 9 d-1 collage players on the same team from a random population of a small town equivalent to the size of mooney. I would also like to point out that Private schools can also manipulate there size they can make themselves a D-2 or D-3 or other just by limiting enrollment. A public school can't do that. Also where do the at risk kids go to school, or the people that ride the small bus. They go to the public school and have to be counted in total enrollment. The private school just tells those student they can't go to Mooney or other private school. If the private school has problems with a student they can have them removed. The public school can't do that. Again I understand nothing will be done. But the problem exists.