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Footwedge
What was the Cav record last year in 5 point games? Also, the Ccavalier comeback 4th quarter wins last year far outnumbered the blown games.h2thaizzo wrote: Fuck the defense hoopla bullshit. You know when good defense matters, when you look up at the scoreboard at the end of the game and see you were up by at least one point. Is it good defense when you lose 86-85? Bad defense when you win 112-110? His unwillingness to learn offense costs this team time after time. How many games in the past year can you remember us giving up double digit leads and wind up losing? I'm gonna guess its at least ten. And that represents good defense how? He's been here what, 5 seasons, and where he could have learned how to coach both offense and defense, he instead appointed an "offensive coordinator". Yeah, that's great coaching.
What Mike Brown does to this team would be about the same as turning on the Colts game this weekend to watch Indy run the ball 40 times. You have LeBron James, arguably the best scorer in the NBA currently, and your team can't score 100 points? We have a team of guys that can score. Mo Williams, nearly a 20 PPG guy last year. Parker nearly 11 PPG last year. Delonte nearly 12 PPG last year. etc. Mo's scoring is down almost 3 ppg. Parker and West's averages are down 3 ppg on the season. We are taking two less FG per game than we were last season.
Our opponents are taking more shot attempts than we are. These all add up to reasons why we lose. Look at last night. Utah took 11 more shot attempts than we did. They only shot 40% for the night, but those 11 extra attempts resulted in them making one more field goal than we did on the night, and guess what, that last field goal is what beat us. That's why I say fuck defense. Our best defense is scoring 100 points or more. You know why? We've lost one game all season where we scored 100 or more points. We're 23-1 when we score 100 or more, and we're 7-10 when we score less than 100 points on the season. Go back to last years results, its nearly identical. So, why when you're nearly unbeatable when you score triple digits, and practically .500 when you don't, do you NOT preach to your team to score as many points as possible? That slow, sluggish offense we run every game kills us. The way we play ball, we HAVE to shoot well in order to win, that's not good coaching. Good coaching is Jerry Sloan. You know LeBron's gonna get his points, let him. Make sure you contain everyone else, and its imperative to take as many attempts as possible. If we took this mentality, I guarantee we would be a much better team.
You are another Cleveland fan that needs to turn in your fancard.
Mike Brown's team is 30 and 11...Instead of bitchin so much....you should be thankful we have a great pro team to cheer for. -
Footwedge
NBA always is laced with runs. The Bulls blew a 35 point lead a month ago. The Cavs record when leading going to the 4th is one of the highest percentages in basketball. Get a clue.h2thaizzo wrote: LTrain, its much more than a loss, it's becoming a trend for this team to blow big leads. There's no reason for it, at all, yet it happens I'd say every other loss for us. It's like the guy goes into the locker room telling our guys "just maintain that lead the second half and we will win the game". -
devil1197
Listen, you are going to win games when you have LeBron James running the show. But Cleveland will not be able to win in 7 game series against equal talent teams when the pressure is on unless LeBron absolutely carries them. Hell he had a great series against Orlando and they still lost.Footwedge wrote:
Then send in your resume. I'm sure this team would do better with you calling the shots.devil1197 wrote:
Are you fucking high?Footwedge wrote:
Mike Brown is a damn good coach. Basically, NBA coaches are graded on how well they play defensively. He gets an A in my book.devil1197 wrote: I have said it before that Brown needed to be fired years ago and I say it during wins also.
The guy hides behind LeBron's efforts every night.
And he has done an even better job this year over last year given all the new pieces. Leave it to Cleveland fans to bitch about Brown.
Unreal.
Brown got completely out coached by Van Gundy last year in the playoffs, Brown had absolutely no answer rotation wise. He was like a lost puppy dog trying to figure out what the hell to do.
Yes, he is a great defensive minded coach but he has no clue what to do on offense and for the majority of the year his rotations have been piss poor. And when the team doesn't come out with intensity on the defensive end, we'll be screwed because he just sits on the bench and prays that LeBron puts up 40 every night.
Brown would have been fired a long time ago if he didn't have one of the greatest players in the game right now.
Only in Cleveland....and I mean ONLY in Cleveland... will you find assholes that will complain about a coach that, according to his peers and the media, earned NBA COACH OF THE YEAR last year.
What that means is....he was rated better than 31 head coaches, including the Yoga Maharishi himself in LA.
Devil...you need to get a breath of fresh air.
Why, because Brown is not a good coach. Who gives a fuck about regular season records as those got us nothing last year. In the most important games last season Brown was out coached by a man who should have been named the Coach of the Year.
Its not Mike Brown who has Cleveland at 30-11 its someone called LeBron James who is pouring in 34 ppg the last what 6-7 games and he can only do so much when it comes playoff time. Brown is forced to coach in the playoffs against good teams and in most cases he gets out coached.
He has neglected to become a full HC overall concerning both offense and defense.
I am happy that we have a great pro team but the majority factor for that success is LBJ. There is a reason why Cleveland has only been to 1 NBA Finals since LeBron has been in Cleveland and that has to do mainly with coaching.
He needs to get Cleveland to the Finals this year. Its arguably the easiest season to get there imo. Atlanta will fold under the pressure of a long series because their young, Orlando is not the same Magic team last year they declined imo, and the Celtics although good have been prone to injuries and are old. Cleveland should reach the Finals but there is a great probability that the opposing coach will actually coach their team to victory. -
sportswizuhrd
11-5..Footwedge wrote:
What was the Cav record last year in 5 point games? Also, the Ccavalier comeback 4th quarter wins last year far outnumbered the blown games.h2thaizzo wrote: Fuck the defense hoopla bullshit. You know when good defense matters, when you look up at the scoreboard at the end of the game and see you were up by at least one point. Is it good defense when you lose 86-85? Bad defense when you win 112-110? His unwillingness to learn offense costs this team time after time. How many games in the past year can you remember us giving up double digit leads and wind up losing? I'm gonna guess its at least ten. And that represents good defense how? He's been here what, 5 seasons, and where he could have learned how to coach both offense and defense, he instead appointed an "offensive coordinator". Yeah, that's great coaching.
What Mike Brown does to this team would be about the same as turning on the Colts game this weekend to watch Indy run the ball 40 times. You have LeBron James, arguably the best scorer in the NBA currently, and your team can't score 100 points? We have a team of guys that can score. Mo Williams, nearly a 20 PPG guy last year. Parker nearly 11 PPG last year. Delonte nearly 12 PPG last year. etc. Mo's scoring is down almost 3 ppg. Parker and West's averages are down 3 ppg on the season. We are taking two less FG per game than we were last season.
Our opponents are taking more shot attempts than we are. These all add up to reasons why we lose. Look at last night. Utah took 11 more shot attempts than we did. They only shot 40% for the night, but those 11 extra attempts resulted in them making one more field goal than we did on the night, and guess what, that last field goal is what beat us. That's why I say fuck defense. Our best defense is scoring 100 points or more. You know why? We've lost one game all season where we scored 100 or more points. We're 23-1 when we score 100 or more, and we're 7-10 when we score less than 100 points on the season. Go back to last years results, its nearly identical. So, why when you're nearly unbeatable when you score triple digits, and practically .500 when you don't, do you NOT preach to your team to score as many points as possible? That slow, sluggish offense we run every game kills us. The way we play ball, we HAVE to shoot well in order to win, that's not good coaching. Good coaching is Jerry Sloan. You know LeBron's gonna get his points, let him. Make sure you contain everyone else, and its imperative to take as many attempts as possible. If we took this mentality, I guarantee we would be a much better team.
You are another Cleveland fan that needs to turn in your fancard.
Mike Brown's team is 30 and 11...Instead of bitchin so much....you should be thankful we have a great pro team to cheer for.
This year...5-5.
L-Chicago 86-85
W-Utah 107-103
L-@ Memphis 111-109
W-Portland 109-104
W-Milwaukee 85-82
W-Atlanta 106-101
L-Charlotte 91-88
L-@ Denver 99-97
W-@ Golden State 117-114
L-@ Utah 97-96
LeBron is averaging 33.3 points with 8.3 boards and 7.2 assists in those 10 games(33.6 pts/8.4 boards/6.2 assists in the 5 losses..shooting 52.1% from the field compared to 54.1 in the wins).
Team...Win by 5- outscoring opp 524-504
Lose by 5-outscored by 484-475 -
h2thaizzo
Tell me to get a clue and you're trying to compare the .500 Bulls to last seasons regular season wins leaders. How bout you get a clue.Footwedge wrote:
NBA always is laced with runs. The Bulls blew a 35 point lead a month ago. The Cavs record when leading going to the 4th is one of the highest percentages in basketball. Get a clue.h2thaizzo wrote: LTrain, its much more than a loss, it's becoming a trend for this team to blow big leads. There's no reason for it, at all, yet it happens I'd say every other loss for us. It's like the guy goes into the locker room telling our guys "just maintain that lead the second half and we will win the game". -
september63
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How many Titles has Jerry Sloan won? OH.............TY Ill answer, it is also 0. -
h2thaizzoWhat was the Cav record last year in 5 point games? Also, the Ccavalier comeback 4th quarter wins last year far outnumbered the blown games.
You are another Cleveland fan that needs to turn in your fancard.
Mike Brown's team is 30 and 11...Instead of bitchin so much....you should be thankful we have a great pro team to cheer for.
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11-5..
This year...5-5.
L-Chicago 86-85
W-Utah 107-103
L-@ Memphis 111-109
W-Portland 109-104
W-Milwaukee 85-82
W-Atlanta 106-101
L-Charlotte 91-88
L-@ Denver 99-97
W-@ Golden State 117-114
L-@ Utah 97-96
LeBron is averaging 33.3 points with 8.3 boards and 7.2 assists in those 10 games(33.6 pts/8.4 boards/6.2 assists in the 5 losses..shooting 52.1% from the field compared to 54.1 in the wins).
Team...Win by 5- outscoring opp 524-504
Lose by 5-outscored by 484-475
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Please, take notice in the fact that we are 1-4 in these 5 point contests when we are held to less than 100 points. You figure a coach that is reigning Coach of the Year would take notice to things like this, but of course not. its not a coincidence, its a damn fact. When we put up 100+, we are damn difficult to beat. When we score less than 100, it's about a coin flip as to who wins. I'd definitely be telling my team to score as many baskets as possible, and quit preaching defense when you can't even win a majority of your so called defensive played games. -
h2thaizzo
Congratulations, you're rewarded with the dumb fuck post of the night award.september63 wrote: How many Titles has Jerry Sloan won? OH.............TY Ill answer, it is also 0. -
september63
Applauds you for your stats. Also nice to know you are enough of a Cavs fan to be smarter than Mike Brown!!
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Footwedge
Listen up Devil...and your little butt bud Hizzo. The guy won coach of the year. Why? Because going into the season, the team was picked 3rd or 4th on the conference. The team won a record 66 games...and assholes abound on the other board bitched and moaned all year.Cleveland should reach the Finals but there is a great probability that the opposing coach will actually coach their team to victory.
You and your harem here can cry all you want. I istened to your shit all last year. You ruin the boards for those of us that enjoy watching a great team...coached by the coach of the year.
I'm done with you. Fuck off. -
ytownfootball
I really have a hard time inderstanding how someone can defend Brown, It's not like he's being asked to run different x and o's, I just want him to make the most basic of coaching requierements as calling time outs when needed, put in the player who's hot and inbound the ball with someone other than your best player. Simple, basic coaching maneuvers that can be done with very little effort. Is that really to much to expect from a professional NBA coach? -
Footwedge
No waterboy....you have cornered the market on shit posts. Take a very well deserved bow.h2thaizzo wrote:
Congratulations, you're rewarded with the dumb fuck post of the night award.september63 wrote: How many Titles has Jerry Sloan won? OH.............TY Ill answer, it is also 0.
You and Devil need to get a room. -
Footwedge
Because he was the fuckin coach of the year, maybe? Or is the entire NBA pundits that vote on this shit all stupid?ytownfootball wrote: I really have a hard time inderstanding how someone can defend Brown, It's not like he's being asked to run different x and o's, I just want him to make the most basic of coaching requierements as calling time outs when needed, put in the player who's hot and inbound the ball with someone other than your best player. Simple, basic coaching maneuvers that can be done with very little effort. Is that really to much to expect from a professional NBA coach?
This team was lights out last year.
#1 in virtually all defensive categories. Points allowed, FG percentage...3 point FG percentage and so on....you name it. You have to be a damn good coach for a team to sell out on defense.
Now, somehow the coach blows because his team is only 30 and 11....and is responsible for his team missing 3 out of 6 free throws last night. -
h2thaizzoFootwedge wrote:
Listen up Devil...and your little butt bud Hizzo. The guy won coach of the year. Why? Because going into the season, the team was picked 3rd or 4th on the conference. The team won a record 66 games...and assholes abound on the other board bitched and moaned all year.Cleveland should reach the Finals but there is a great probability that the opposing coach will actually coach their team to victory.
You and your harem here can cry all you want. I istened to your shit all last year. You ruin the boards for those of us that enjoy watching a great team...coached by the coach of the year.
I'm done with you. Fuck off.
Good riddance. Want me to drive you to the bridge you plan to jump off while we're at it? I'm more than willing to assist you, and you're bitchy ass self in ending your misery. I love your piss poor attitude, btw. In case you just jumped on the Cavs bandwaggon that I've always been on, we have been WINNING for 5 years now. Maybe you're content with the insanity (doing the same thing time after time, and expecting a different result, just in case you didn't know the definition of it), but I don't have to be. Factual stats like BLOWN double digit leads, in regular season and playoffs, and not being able to win defensive determined games on a consistent basis, when we are supposedly coached by a defensive guru, don't matter, yet I'm supposed to give a flying fuck that some moron actually picked us to finish 3rd or 4th (interesting, we're the idiots, yet you don't even know where the hell they were predicted to finish, hmm). Makes a ton of sense. Take a look in the mirror, you're the real asshole here. If you don't like our opinions, then get off the website. Mike Brown is a mediocre coach that has had the luxury of going along for the ride with this team for years now. -
Footwedge"Brown, who has taken Cleveland to the postseason in each of his four seasons, was honored Monday as the league's top coach after leading the Cavaliers to 66 wins, a Central Division title and the No. 1 overall playoff seed following the greatest regular season in club history."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4083787
Only in Cleveland will you find "fans" that bitch about their record setting coach. Pretty disgusting indeed. -
h2thaizzo
Nah, just give us your room key after you're done blowing Mikey Brown for the night. Make sure to clean up your mess first though.Footwedge wrote:
No waterboy....you have cornered the market on shit posts. Take a very well deserved bow.h2thaizzo wrote:
Congratulations, you're rewarded with the dumb fuck post of the night award.september63 wrote: How many Titles has Jerry Sloan won? OH.............TY Ill answer, it is also 0.
You and Devil need to get a room. -
h2thaizzo
I could have sworn you said you were leaving????Footwedge wrote: "Brown, who has taken Cleveland to the postseason in each of his four seasons, was honored Monday as the league's top coach after leading the Cavaliers to 66 wins, a Central Division title and the No. 1 overall playoff seed following the greatest regular season in club history."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4083787
Only in Cleveland will you find "fans" that bitch about their record setting coach. Pretty disgusting indeed. -
ytownfootball
Relax, you could just as easily make a case that no play was drawn up that didn't require your hottest player to inbound the ball or play keep away for more than .1 ticks off the clock. Brown knows defense there's no denying that. We wouldn't be having this convo had the FT's been made, but Brown leaves me scratching my head at times, even when they win.
Just basic stuff, the stuff you would do differently, the stuff I would do differently, the stuff the rest of the NBA coaches would have done differently given the situation. -
sportswizuhrd
11-5..h2thaizzo wrote: What was the Cav record last year in 5 point games? Also, the Ccavalier comeback 4th quarter wins last year far outnumbered the blown games.
You are another Cleveland fan that needs to turn in your fancard.
Mike Brown's team is 30 and 11...Instead of bitchin so much....you should be thankful we have a great pro team to cheer for.
This year...5-5.
L-Chicago 86-85
W-Utah 107-103
L-@ Memphis 111-109
W-Portland 109-104
W-Milwaukee 85-82
W-Atlanta 106-101
L-Charlotte 91-88
L-@ Denver 99-97
W-@ Golden State 117-114
L-@ Utah 97-96
LeBron is averaging 33.3 points with 8.3 boards and 7.2 assists in those 10 games(33.6 pts/8.4 boards/6.2 assists in the 5 losses..shooting 52.1% from the field compared to 54.1 in the wins).
Team...Win by 5- outscoring opp 524-504
Lose by 5-outscored by 484-475
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Please, take notice in the fact that we are 1-4 in these 5 point contests when we are held to less than 100 points. You figure a coach that is reigning Coach of the Year would take notice to things like this, but of course not. its not a coincidence, its a damn fact. When we put up 100+, we are damn difficult to beat. When we score less than 100, it's about a coin flip as to who wins. I'd definitely be telling my team to score as many baskets as possible, and quit preaching defense when you can't even win a majority of your so called defensive played games.
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Barkley has been saying this for at least the past 3 years and he said it again at halftime of last night's game. They run, they play better. They run, they put up more points. Get LeBron running(with or without the ball) and it attracts defenders to him leads to open shots for Mo, Delonte, Parker, etc. Another thing he really harps on that they should get away from is when they rely on LeBron taking over the ball for the entire 24 seconds, they stand around and there is no movement. Pretty obvious at some points.
EDIT: h2thaizzo...No idea why it says you made that initial post, I know it was footwedge, didnt change anything up. -
h2thaizzo
That's my issue with the guy. He CONSTANTLY lets us make the same damn mistakes in losses. It wouldn't be such a big deal to me if I didn't see us shit away two huge leads against Orlando in the playoffs last year in a series we easily could have won. We haven't learned anything from that series it seems, we went out and got players to match up better against them, but as far as game planning goes, its quite shitty to say the least. I find myself at times hoping we are down at halftime, because that means come second half we aren't going to be able to come out flat thinking we can play Tressel ball, to put it kindly, and pull out a win.ytownfootball wrote: Relax, you could just as easily make a case that no play was drawn up that didn't require your hottest player to inbound the ball or play keep away for more than .1 ticks off the clock. Brown knows defense there's no denying that. We wouldn't be having this convo had the FT's been made, but Brown leaves me scratching my head at times, even when they win.
Just basic stuff, the stuff you would do differently, the stuff I would do differently, the stuff the rest of the NBA coaches would have done differently given the situation. -
h2thaizzo
Please, take notice in the fact that we are 1-4 in these 5 point contests when we are held to less than 100 points. You figure a coach that is reigning Coach of the Year would take notice to things like this, but of course not. its not a coincidence, its a damn fact. When we put up 100+, we are damn difficult to beat. When we score less than 100, it's about a coin flip as to who wins. I'd definitely be telling my team to score as many baskets as possible, and quit preaching defense when you can't even win a majority of your so called defensive played games.sportswizuhrd wrote:
11-5..h2thaizzo wrote: What was the Cav record last year in 5 point games? Also, the Ccavalier comeback 4th quarter wins last year far outnumbered the blown games.
You are another Cleveland fan that needs to turn in your fancard.
Mike Brown's team is 30 and 11...Instead of bitchin so much....you should be thankful we have a great pro team to cheer for.
This year...5-5.
L-Chicago 86-85
W-Utah 107-103
L-@ Memphis 111-109
W-Portland 109-104
W-Milwaukee 85-82
W-Atlanta 106-101
L-Charlotte 91-88
L-@ Denver 99-97
W-@ Golden State 117-114
L-@ Utah 97-96
LeBron is averaging 33.3 points with 8.3 boards and 7.2 assists in those 10 games(33.6 pts/8.4 boards/6.2 assists in the 5 losses..shooting 52.1% from the field compared to 54.1 in the wins).
Team...Win by 5- outscoring opp 524-504
Lose by 5-outscored by 484-475
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Barkley has been saying this for at least the past 3 years and he said it again at halftime of last night's game. They run, they play better. They run, they put up more points. Get LeBron running(with or without the ball) and it attracts defenders to him leads to open shots for Mo, Delonte, Parker, etc. Another thing he really harps on that they should get away from is when they rely on LeBron taking over the ball for the entire 24 seconds, they stand around and there is no movement. Pretty obvious at some points.
EDIT: h2thaizzo...No idea why it says you made that initial post, I know it was footwedge, didnt change anything up.
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It was probably because I cut out the previous posts and just cropped that one when I quoted earlier. I guess Barkley is a dumbass like me and you then huh? -
ytownfootball
Just calling a TO to break rythm would be a huge improvement imo. When you're up 18 and they score 8 unanswered...call a damn TO. NBA coaching 101.h2thaizzo wrote:
That's my issue with the guy. He CONSTANTLY lets us make the same damn mistakes in losses. It wouldn't be such a big deal to me if I didn't see us shit away two huge leads against Orlando in the playoffs last year in a series we easily could have won. We haven't learned anything from that series it seems, we went out and got players to match up better against them, but as far as game planning goes, its quite shitty to say the least. I find myself at times hoping we are down at halftime, because that means come second half we aren't going to be able to come out flat thinking we can play Tressel ball, to put it kindly, and pull out a win. -
september63
Footwedge wrote: "Brown, who has taken Cleveland to the postseason in each of his four seasons, was honored Monday as the league's top coach after leading the Cavaliers to 66 wins, a Central Division title and the No. 1 overall playoff seed following the greatest regular season in club history."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4083787
Only in Cleveland will you find "fans" that bitch about their record setting coach. Pretty disgusting indeed.
I agree. Although it probably isnt only in Cleveland. -
h2thaizzo
Right! Instead, we wait until we have lost the lead, and ALL momentum to call the timeout.ytownfootball wrote:
Just calling a TO to break rythm would be a huge improvement imo. When you're up 18 and they score 8 unanswered...call a damn TO. NBA coaching 101.h2thaizzo wrote:
That's my issue with the guy. He CONSTANTLY lets us make the same damn mistakes in losses. It wouldn't be such a big deal to me if I didn't see us shit away two huge leads against Orlando in the playoffs last year in a series we easily could have won. We haven't learned anything from that series it seems, we went out and got players to match up better against them, but as far as game planning goes, its quite shitty to say the least. I find myself at times hoping we are down at halftime, because that means come second half we aren't going to be able to come out flat thinking we can play Tressel ball, to put it kindly, and pull out a win.
1. When its crunch time, tell your superstar to take the free throws, not the ball out.
2. Use timeouts to stop rhythm runs, you aren't Phil Jackson, he actually runs his own offense, so quit trying to be him.
3. When your team has opened up a double digit lead, quit telling them to MAINTAIN it, tell them to push the ball up the floor and keep outscoring the opponent. This dribble dribble 3...2...1... throw up a shitty shot and waste the entire 24 second clock crap isn't gonna fly. It hasn't worked for us in the past, and it's not going to work for us now. -
h2thaizzo
Only in Cleveland will you find "fans" that are perfectly fine with having a record setting coach that yet again couldn't get his team to the title. We will gladly take being 2nd or 3rd best, yep, we're ok with that. certainly nothing we can do coaching wise to become better, its all the players faults.september63 wrote:Footwedge wrote: "Brown, who has taken Cleveland to the postseason in each of his four seasons, was honored Monday as the league's top coach after leading the Cavaliers to 66 wins, a Central Division title and the No. 1 overall playoff seed following the greatest regular season in club history."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4083787
Only in Cleveland will you find "fans" that bitch about their record setting coach. Pretty disgusting indeed.
I agree. Although it probably isnt only in Cleveland.