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Commander of Awesome

ts1227;1788589 wrote:The union fucked up big time during the last CBA when they basically dropped any of the gripes they had with Goodell in order to not miss a paycheck once the lockout got into August. Hopefully they aren't as dumb the next time around.

I understand that he affects roughly a handful of players, so it's hard for the Union to draw a line in the sand for a few kuckleheads, but this is ridiculous.

HitsRus

You think the Browns would sign RG3 and STILL draft a QB @#2? ....No f***ing way.

Commander of Awesome

HitsRus;1788591 wrote:You think the Browns would sign RG3 and STILL draft a QB @#2? ....No f***ing way.

i would hope so, but you're probably right.

SportsAndLady

HitsRus;1788591 wrote:You think the Browns would sign RG3 and STILL draft a QB @#2? ....No f***ing way.

RG3 is one of the worst qbs in the NFL. You think they should abandon finding a QB because they signed one of the worst qbs in the NFL? LOL

Commander of Awesome

SportsAndLady;1788594 wrote:RG3 is one of the worst qbs in the NFL. You think they should abandon finding a QB because they signed one of the worst qbs in the NFL? LOL

No, I think he's in the same boat as me. We don't think they should abandon finding a QB, but history shows (and our owner has proven anything but patient) the Browns look for the quick fix. And thus wouldn't draft one at 2 bc of RG3.

sleeper

SportsAndLady;1788594 wrote:RG3 is one of the worst qbs in the NFL. You think they should abandon finding a QB because they signed one of the worst qbs in the NFL? LOL

Exactly. If RG3 doesn't scream "Stop gap QB for another 2-14 season so we can get 2 seasons of high draft picks in a row" then I don't know what does.

friendfromlowry

SportsAndLady;1788594 wrote:RG3 is one of the worst qbs in the NFL. You think they should abandon finding a QB because they signed one of the worst qbs in the NFL? LOL

I don't think they should, but I think they will. I can't rationalize why they would bring in RGIII if they still plan on drafting a QB early and starting him from day one.

HitsRus

I'm staying with what I said a long time ago, that they are going to trade down and get a couple of extra high value picks. I think that is even more likely now that they lost 4 starters to FA and let a couple of others go. At the end of last year, they needed to upgrade 11-14 positions....now it's even more. I think if they sign RG3, it's a clear indication that they are going to try to stock as much young talent that they can, and pursue the franchise QB next year.

If no RG3...then there is a high probability that they'll go QB at #2, although I still think the play is to move down a few spots and get an extra pick...they could still get one of the 2 top QB's at #7..... That is of course, if they could find a trading partner.

SportsAndLady

HitsRus;1788607 wrote:I'm staying with what I said a long time ago, that they are going to trade down and get a couple of extra high value picks. I think that is even more likely now that they lost 4 starters to FA and let a couple of others go. At the end of last year, they needed to upgrade 11-14 positions....now it's even more. I think if they sign RG3, it's a clear indication that they are going to try to stock as much young talent that they can, and pursue the franchise QB next year.

If no RG3...then there is a high probability that they'll go QB at #2, although I still think the play is to move down a few spots and get an extra pick...they could still get one of the 2 top QB's at #7..... That is of course, if they could find a trading partner.

Such a pipedream. Every year Browns fans say "trade down collect more first round picks and draft more starters!"

It's a fucking pipedream. No team is going to unload a bunch of picks especially first rounders. And the Browns can't get any of their draft picks right, why would we think that adding more we'll just magically start drafting well and picking up starters?

And I'm not even going to mention how idiotic you are saying you don't want the best QB available on a team that has been desperate for a decent QB for decades.

I mean what the hell?

Go4alOngbOmB

Just another name to add to the Jersey Downtown, at this rate the poor guy is going to have to rent the space above him so it can hang properly.

sleeper

SportsAndLady;1788610 wrote:Such a pipedream. Every year Browns fans say "trade down collect more first round picks and draft more starters!"

It's a fucking pipedream. No team is going to unload a bunch of picks especially first rounders. And the Browns can't get any of their draft picks right, why would we think that adding more we'll just magically start drafting well and picking up starters?

And I'm not even going to mention how idiotic you are saying you don't want the best QB available on a team that has been desperate for a decent QB for decades.

I mean what the hell?

Agree with this in principle. Big trades for high draft picks do happen but rarely at #2 and rarely from a team outside the top 10. RG3 might have been the last big trade to go down and it absolutely destroyed the Redskins so bad for little return. Most teams won't give up a lot to move up that much anymore.

Even if we get a big trade package, I have zero confidence they will draft appropriately.

vball10set

SportsAndLady;1788594 wrote:RG3 is one of the worst qbs in the NFL. You think they should abandon finding a QB because they signed one of the worst qbs in the NFL? LOL

sleeper;1788599 wrote:Exactly. If RG3 doesn't scream "Stop gap QB for another 2-14 season so we can get 2 seasons of high draft picks in a row" then I don't know what does.

this and this

HitsRus

And I'm not even going to mention how idiotic you are saying you don't want the best QB available on a team that has been desperate for a decent QB for decades

Hue Jackson knows what an NFL franchise QB looks like, so if they decide to pass on a QB at#2, I'm ok with that. Let's keep in mind this regime is completely different from previous ones, and they will be making choices based on a different set of variables.

sleeper

HitsRus;1788647 wrote:Hue Jackson knows what an NFL franchise QB looks like, so if they decide to pass on a QB at#2, I'm ok with that. Let's keep in mind this regime is completely different from previous ones, and they will be making choices based on a different set of variables.

Said every new regime since 1999.

SportsAndLady

HitsRus;1788647 wrote:Hue Jackson knows what an NFL franchise QB looks like, so if they decide to pass on a QB at#2, I'm ok with that. Let's keep in mind this regime is completely different from previous ones, and they will be making choices based on a different set of variables.

So Hue Jackson has it all figured out then eh?

RGIII is the answer to our problems Cleveland! Hits says Hue Jackson knows what to look for! All those championships he won with a top QB--oh wait.

HitsRus

Said every new regime since 1999.

It does not logically follow that the new regime will continue on the same path of futility as previous ones.

HitsRus

SportsAndLady;1788663 wrote:So Hue Jackson has it all figured out then eh?

RGIII is the answer to our problems Cleveland! Hits says Hue Jackson knows what to look for! All those championships he won with a top QB--oh wait.

Well, I think I'm on pretty solid ground when I say he knows more than you.

BR1986FB

This whole thing is going to be contingent on whether Jackson and the brass is sold on Goff or Wentz as a franchise QB that can lead this team to a championship. If they're not, you don't (broken record) take a QB at 2 just for the sake of doing it. I don't want to see them draft some guy who turns into a Weeden/Ponder/Geno Smith piece of crap just because they "need a QB." If they feel they'd be better off rolling the dice toward 2017 and prefer someone else, so be it.

I don't think they have any impression whatsoever that RG3 is going to be "the guy." I do think it's possible that they could be taking the "build the team so you can plug in a QB" approach. It's probably going to piss off a lot of people but, oh well.

HitsRus

So Hue Jackson has it all figured out then eh?

RGIII is the answer to our problems Cleveland!

I wouldn't think they think that at all. They may feel that signing him will allow them to defer the "franchise QB pick" to next year and better use their #2 pick this year to improve the team in general. Now that is predicated on their evaluation of the QB talent this year as not being worthy of spending a #2 pick on.

BR1986FB

HitsRus;1788675 wrote:I wouldn't think they think that at all. They may feel that signing him will allow them to defer the "franchise QB pick" to next year and better use their #2 pick this year to improve the team in general. Now that is predicated on their evaluation of the QB talent this year as not being worthy of spending a #2 pick on.

These are kind of my thoughts. They may be using Griffin as a piñata until they can get the O-Line fixed and move forward. If RG3 bounces back and shows some worth, bonus !

sleeper

HitsRus;1788667 wrote:Well, I think I'm on pretty solid ground when I say he knows more than you.

Yeah, did Holgrem know more too?

Knowing more is irrelevant. Poor performance and winning nothing are what matters. What has Hue Jackson won?

HitsRus

More than you.

BR1986FB

Just read an article where it wouldn't be a surprise for a team like the Eagles to offer their #8 pick to move up to #2.

sleeper

BR1986FB;1788681 wrote:Just read an article where it wouldn't be a surprise for a team like the Eagles to offer their #8 pick to move up to #2.

I want the RG3 draft deal + some if that happens. 3 1st rounders and 2 second rounders, + some late round picks.

I don't want some shitty Magini deal involving players and trash picks. I want the kitchen sink.

sleeper

HitsRus;1788680 wrote:More than you.

And what have the Browns accomplished with the knowledge of more than random internet poster?

Nothing.

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