2016 Browns Season Thread
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Commander of Awesome
I like that he went on a best practice tour.BR1986FB;1773638 wrote:Good read from MMQB....might confirm my suspicions they may go with an outside the box head coach....
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/01/06/nfl-cleveland-browns-paul-depodesta-jimmy-haslam
Also, side note here. I heard that he's spending 10s of millions on ppl that don't work for the browns. Chud, Heckert, Banner, Lombardi, Farmer, Holmgren, Farmer, Petty Pett, etc... Plus what ever he's paying all the new guys AND has a big $300 million payment to Lerner for the sale of the team looming. Crazy -
BR1986FB
Yeah, people can't say Haslam isn't at least trying to get this fixed.Commander of Awesome;1773644 wrote:I like that he went on a best practice tour.
Also, side note here. I heard that he's spending 10s of millions on ppl that don't work for the browns. Chud, Heckert, Banner, Lombardi, Farmer, Holmgren, Farmer, Petty Pett, etc... Plus what ever he's paying all the new guys AND has a big $300 million payment to Lerner for the sale of the team looming. Crazy
On a side note, I see where Lebron's marketing group dumped Manziel yesterday. If you heard the interview with Lebron, his tone came across like "uggghh.....why do I have to answer questions about this clown (Manziel) and why did we attach ourselves to that albatross?" Will say one thing, LBJ's group are VERY smart businessmen detaching themselves from that toxic situation. -
Azubuike24
Would the Browns fans want Lovie Smith? It's really random that he got fired for a guy like Dirk Koetter?? -
rrfan
Agree completely....but maybe should have been smarter to not sign him in the first place. Pretty much every NFL guy said it was a huge question mark if he would make it in the NFL and I think many of us including me were not happy when they drafted him.BR1986FB;1773738 wrote:Yeah, people can't say Haslam isn't at least trying to get this fixed.
On a side note, I see where Lebron's marketing group dumped Manziel yesterday. If you heard the interview with Lebron, his tone came across like "uggghh.....why do I have to answer questions about this clown (Manziel) and why did we attach ourselves to that albatross?" Will say one thing, LBJ's group are VERY smart businessmen detaching themselves from that toxic situation. -
SportsAndLady
Absolutely not lol he's been a failure everywhere he's went.Azubuike24;1773750 wrote:Would the Browns fans want Lovie Smith? It's really random that he got fired for a guy like Dirk Koetter?? -
Al Bundy
He's taken a team to the Super Bowl.SportsAndLady;1773752 wrote:Absolutely not lol he's been a failure everywhere he's went. -
SportsAndLady
I know thatAl Bundy;1773754 wrote:He's taken a team to the Super Bowl. -
BR1986FB
Is that sarcasm because I believe he lead the Bears to a Super Bowl and was fired by Chicago after a 10-6 season? He coached the Bears for 9 seasons, 6 of which they were .500 or above (81-63 record in that span). He also had Tampa trending upward. Not saying I want him here but hardly a "failure."SportsAndLady;1773752 wrote:Absolutely not lol he's been a failure everywhere he's went. -
SportsAndLady
Not to sound like sleeper, but if you don't win a super bowl as a coach for that long, you're a failure.BR1986FB;1773756 wrote:Is that sarcasm because I believe he lead the Bears to a Super Bowl and was fired by Chicago after a 10-6 season? He coached the Bears for 9 seasons, 6 of which they were .500 or above (81-63 record in that span). He also had Tampa trending upward. Not saying I want him here but hardly a "failure."
Not to mention he's been fire how many times recently?
I want nothing to do with Lovie Smith. -
sleeper
Lovie Smith would be the best coach the Browns have ever had. With that said, he's never won anything and he's too old school to jive with the front office that Haslam wants to bring in. -
BR1986FB
These would be my thoughts on him, not that he's a failure. I'll be surprised if they don't hire someone who is younger, with a more progressive thinking pattern, who buys in to the analytics. That would probably leave guys like Lovie & Coughlin out of the mix.sleeper;1773763 wrote: and he's too old school to jive with the front office that Haslam wants to bring in. -
SportsAndLady
Arent you the guy who said the regime should be given three 4-12 seasons and then be judged?BR1986FB;1773764 wrote:These would be my thoughts on him, not that he's a failure. I'll be surprised if they don't hire someone who is younger, with a more progressive thinking pattern, who buys in to the analytics. That would probably leave guys like Lovie & Coughlin out of the mix.
I'll take your opinion on Browns HC candidates with a grain of salt. -
BR1986FB
You might want to re-read my comments. I did NOT say they SHOULD be given three 4-12 seasons. I said "three 4-12 seasons would suck." What I TRIED to say was that if Haslam is going all in on this new analytics/metrics system, he needs to have patience.SportsAndLady;1773776 wrote:Arent you the guy who said the regime should be given three 4-12 seasons and then be judged?
I'll take your opinion on Browns HC candidates with a grain of salt.
This team could very well take a step back next year and go 1-15. Out of fairness, he can't have a hair trigger and pull the plug on the HC. In year two, the record may still suck but they show improvement (kind of like what Lovie did in Tampa yet got fired for it). There they might be 3-13, 4-12, whatever. The third year is going to be the key, but he needs to give the coach three years. If they are 4-12 in year three, assuming with a younger/promising QB, you have to cut bait. Regardless of the "well <insert team> turned it around in one year" comments, that's not going to happen here. This will be a major overhaul. Very easy for people to twist my words.
And believe me, I've been taking your opinion with a grain of salt since the "use your next ten 1st rounder's to draft a QB until you get it right" comment. -
Commander of Awesome
My thoughts as well. NFC South, 5 yr plan can GFI.SportsAndLady;1773776 wrote:Arent you the guy who said the regime should be given three 4-12 seasons and then be judged?
I'll take your opinion on Browns HC candidates with a grain of salt. -
Heretic
I think the problem with Lovie is that I'd guess you guys will be doing a lot of building up through youth, esp. at QB, and Lovie's gotten a reputation of being one of those guys who'll play the mediocre journeyman over the young prospect.BR1986FB;1773756 wrote:Is that sarcasm because I believe he lead the Bears to a Super Bowl and was fired by Chicago after a 10-6 season? He coached the Bears for 9 seasons, 6 of which they were .500 or above (81-63 record in that span). He also had Tampa trending upward. Not saying I want him here but hardly a "failure." -
BR1986FB
Oh, I don't really want him here. As I've said Hue Jackson would be my choice. I just think the word "failure" in describing his coaching career is pretty strong.Heretic;1773815 wrote:I think the problem with Lovie is that I'd guess you guys will be doing a lot of building up through youth, esp. at QB, and Lovie's gotten a reputation of being one of those guys who'll play the mediocre journeyman over the young prospect. -
SportsAndLady
The goal of coaching in the NFL is to win championships. He never won a championship. That is a failure.BR1986FB;1773816 wrote:Oh, I don't really want him here. As I've said Hue Jackson would be my choice. I just think the word "failure" in describing his coaching career is pretty strong. -
BR1986FB
Guess that makes Joe Thomas (as an example since he's the Brown's best player) a failure as a player because he's never won a championship? Yeah, didn't think so.SportsAndLady;1773818 wrote:The goal of coaching in the NFL is to win championships. He never won a championship. That is a failure. -
SportsAndLady
Joe Thomas is a player you moron.BR1986FB;1773822 wrote:Guess that makes Joe Thomas (as an example since he's the Brown's best player) a failure as a player because he's never won a championship? Yeah, didn't think so. -
BR1986FB
Hasn't won a championship. Players are an extension of the coach. If the coach is a failure for not winning a ring, certainly his players are too since they are the ones who control what happens on the field by their performance. Whole bunch of players that are failures in the league, I guess.SportsAndLady;1773832 wrote:Joe Thomas is a player you moron. -
sleeper
Yes. JT is a failure.BR1986FB;1773822 wrote:Guess that makes Joe Thomas (as an example since he's the Brown's best player) a failure as a player because he's never won a championship? Yeah, didn't think so. -
DeyDurkie5
If a coach doesn't win a ring that makes him a failure.BR1986FB;1773835 wrote:Hasn't won a championship. Players are an extension of the coach. If the coach is a failure for not winning a ring, certainly his players are too since they are the ones who control what happens on the field by their performance. Whole bunch of players that are failures in the league, I guess.
BR uses a player not winning a ring to make his argument.
BR does not get arguments. BR is not smart. -
queencitybuckeye
Both have, or are supposed to have the same goals. If a coach is a failure for not winning a championship in a certain period of time, the player is as well.DeyDurkie5;1773868 wrote:If a coach doesn't win a ring that makes him a failure.
BR uses a player not winning a ring to make his argument.
BR does not get arguments. BR is not smart. -
BR1986FB
Players are on the field "playing." Coaches can "win" a ring....only the players on the field. I know I have to s-l-o-w it down for you, since you're dense, but they're intertwined. If a coach is a failure, his players are failures.DeyDurkie5;1773868 wrote:If a coach doesn't win a ring that makes him a failure.
BR uses a player not winning a ring to make his argument.
BR does not get arguments. BR is not smart. -
DeyDurkie5
I'm dense but the only opinions you put on here are radio hot takes.BR1986FB;1773872 wrote:Players are on the field "playing." Coaches can "win" a ring....only the players on the field. I know I have to s-l-o-w it down for you, since you're dense, but they're intertwined. If a coach is a failure, his players are failures.
The argument is its a team game. One person does not equal the entire team. It takes a team to win a ring. It takes a head coach to guide that team to a ring. Hence why coaches should be graded on rings at the end of the day.