2016 Browns Season Thread
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Midstate01
Where the hell is this video -
Commander of Awesome
Impressive resume. Like him much better than Marrone, or Gase. Before S&L says anything, I think Marrone would be a bad hire. Hes a weasel fuck that never did anything. Players hated him in Buffalo, and they way he quit was petty at best. GAse, I just don't have enough to go on. He helped Cutler? Great, he did it for a yr. Not saying he wont be a good HC, but based on his little body of work, I'm not handing him the keys.BR1986FB;1773455 wrote:This would also be a good get. -
BR1986FBAs an FYI, for you guys who are fans of the Sashi Brown promotion.....I've heard he's been trying to get the front office to move Joe Thomas for the last two years.
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Commander of Awesome
It sucks, but all signs point to GOAThomas being gone in Cleveland.BR1986FB;1773457 wrote:As an FYI, for you guys who are fans of the Sashi Brown promotion.....I've heard he's been trying to get the front office to move Joe Thomas for the last two years. -
BR1986FB
I don't think the vets would respond well to Marrone. I've heard he runs a very tough camp.Commander of Awesome;1773456 wrote:Impressive resume. Like him much better than Marrone, or Gase. Before S&L says anything, I think Marrone would be a bad hire. Hes a weasel fuck that never did anything. Players hated him in Buffalo, and they way he quit was petty at best. GAse, I just don't have enough to go on. He helped Cutler? Great, he did it for a yr. Not saying he wont be a good HC, but based on his little body of work, I'm not handing him the keys.
I like the McDermott interview. Hue Jackson is still my guy but think that's a pipe dream. McDermott is probably more realistic. I think Gase is going to be at the top of everyone's wish list and won't actually be in play for the Browns. Will probably leverage an offer from them to another team. -
SportsAndLady
Cutler, manning, tebow.Commander of Awesome;1773456 wrote:Impressive resume. Like him much better than Marrone, or Gase. Before S&L says anything, I think Marrone would be a bad hire. Hes a weasel fuck that never did anything. Players hated him in Buffalo, and they way he quit was petty at best. GAse, I just don't have enough to go on. He helped Cutler? Great, he did it for a yr. Not saying he wont be a good HC, but based on his little body of work, I'm not handing him the keys.
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Commander of Awesome
He's going to the giants anyways.SportsAndLady;1773460 wrote:Cutler, manning, tebow.
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BR1986FB
Regardless of what you guys think, I love him and he's the only current player on the roster that I'd buy a jersey of. But I can also see the writing on the wall and if this new regime is smart, they blow it up including dumping guys like Whitner, Dansby, Kruger, Starks, etc and trying to get a higher pick for JT. Commit to the coach for about 3+ years and build with youth. Draft well and maybe sprinkle in a few young FA's coming off a rookie contract. In 3 years, the fat rapist should be on a severe decline (he's much older in QB years than actual years plus fat people get bad knees), Flacco will be 3 years older and who knows what happens in Cincy?Commander of Awesome;1773458 wrote:It sucks, but all signs point to GOAThomas being gone in Cleveland.
If they can grow with a young QB, they will likely continue to suck over the next few years but they've sucked anyway. Teams like TB,TENN, OAK, etc aren't that good but they have "hope" because they have young(er) squads with a QB that gives them optimism. I'd rather see a 3-13 exciting team with a QB in place than the shit we saw this year. Just give me SOMETHING to be optimistic about. -
Commander of Awesome
I think it's been shown that you can flip a football team's season around in 1 season. Look at the NFC South as an example. Bottom line, no coach is getting 3 yrs of 4-12 football.BR1986FB;1773464 wrote:Regardless of what you guys think, I love him and he's the only current player on the roster that I'd buy a jersey of. But I can also see the writing on the wall and if this new regime is smart, they blow it up including dumping guys like Whitner, Dansby, Kruger, Starks, etc and trying to get a higher pick for JT. Commit to the coach for about 3+ years and build with youth. Draft well and maybe sprinkle in a few young FA's coming off a rookie contract. In 3 years, the fat rapist should be on a severe decline (he's much older in QB years than actual years plus fat people get bad knees), Flacco will be 3 years older and who knows what happens in Cincy?
If they can grow with a young QB, they will likely continue to suck over the next few years but they've sucked anyway. Teams like TB,TENN, OAK, etc aren't that good but they have "hope" because they have young(er) squads with a QB that gives them optimism. I'd rather see a 3-13 exciting team with a QB in place than the shit we saw this year. Just give me SOMETHING to be optimistic about. -
SportsAndLady
I don't even care if the Browns don't get him. He's not my guy. I just posted how he's done a lot for cutler and you disagreed.Commander of Awesome;1773463 wrote:He's going to the giants anyways. -
BR1986FB
Solid point but Haslam can't keep flipping coaches. When he met with the media, he was asked if he was concerned with the perception of him being impatient and constantly firing coaches to which Haslam said "yes."Commander of Awesome;1773466 wrote:I think it's been shown that you can flip a football team's season around in 1 season. Look at the NFC South as an example. Bottom line, no coach is getting 3 yrs of 4-12 football. -
Commander of Awesome
I didn't disagree, least I didn't mean to. I understand he did some good work with Cutler.SportsAndLady;1773467 wrote:I don't even care if the Browns don't get him. He's not my guy. I just posted how he's done a lot for cutler and you disagreed. -
SportsAndLady
Well okay then. That's all I was getting at.Commander of Awesome;1773471 wrote:I didn't disagree, least I didn't mean to. I understand he did some good work with Cutler. -
IggyPride00
If they draft a QB with that 2nd pick, it is imperative the guy start from day 1 and take his lumps this season.
The bridge QB does nothing but delay the inevitable and split the locker room (as well as annoy the fan base).
This town is more apt to be able to deal with a 4-12 year with a young QB who's learning and getting experience than watching Josh McCown and Davis lead the same sinking ship.
We keep having new coaches that waste their freebie first year with veteran QB's while the young guy is stapled to the bench not gaining experience.
That can't be allowed to happen again with whoever is brought in to coach this team. -
BR1986FB
I frankly don't give a shit if it annoys the fan base. A lot of the dumbass fan base thought Manziel was the savior who could do no wrong.IggyPride00;1773483 wrote: The bridge QB does nothing but delay the inevitable and split the locker room (as well as annoy the fan base). -
Azubuike24
I actually think the opposite, unless the QB has a very, very high pedigree or has experience in a pro-style system. I don't see a guy like that in this draft, regardless of "where he's picked."
Look at a guy like Brock Osweiler. Former 2nd round, highly-touted prospects. Not elite though. He sat behind Peyton for a year and a half and then finally got the chance. He's done OKAY. The book is still out on him.
Had you given him the reigns of a team from day one (and keep in mind, this guy would be given the reigns of the Browns offense), he absolutely wouldn't develop into anything.
I suppose there is no right answer, but reaching for a QB like Goff of Lynch, and THEN starting him day one in a brand new regime with average talent around him and an average OL, would be a disaster. -
SportsAndLady
He's a baseball executive hired to help run the Cleveland Browns. I'm just skeptical. Especially for a franchise that always tries to get too cute.Commander of Awesome;1773444 wrote:Honest question, why are you guys hesitant to be excited about this hire? -
BR1986FB
Agreed.Azubuike24;1773486 wrote:I actually think the opposite, unless the QB has a very, very high pedigree or has experience in a pro-style system. I don't see a guy like that in this draft, regardless of "where he's picked."
Look at a guy like Brock Osweiler. Former 2nd round, highly-touted prospects. Not elite though. He sat behind Peyton for a year and a half and then finally got the chance. He's done OKAY. The book is still out on him.
Had you given him the reigns of a team from day one (and keep in mind, this guy would be given the reigns of the Browns offense), he absolutely wouldn't develop into anything.
I suppose there is no right answer, but reaching for a QB like Goff of Lynch, and THEN starting him day one in a brand new regime with average talent around him and an average OL, would be a disaster.
Unless the QB walks into the perfect storm (a ready made team) like Roethlisberger or Flacco did, it will probably be pretty ugly.
Goff, Lynch or whoever likely won't have the weapons & the protection right out of the gate, like those guys did. Right now, JT's return could be iffy (might want out/regime might want to move him), Mack is likely out the door and Schwartz is a FA. That's 3/5's of your O-Line possibly gone with a rookie coming in? I'd probably throw the rookie in about week 8, or so. Let him watch the speed of the game a little.
And I certainly wouldn't start a QB because the fan base would be "annoyed" if you didn't. -
BR1986FB
I've seen an article on this that believes this could "revolutionize/change the NFL." I'll take a wait & see approach on that to see how a baseball guy transitions to football.SportsAndLady;1773488 wrote:He's a baseball executive hired to help run the Cleveland Browns. I'm just skeptical. Especially for a franchise that always tries to get too cute. -
SportsAndLady
Jesus...it's not about when out QB starts to play. He's either going to be good or he isn't.
If we play him from day one, we'll know if he's going to be good or not. It has nothing to do with wins or losses. You can just watch a young QB and know if he is going to amount to anything.
Play him from day one or don't. It doesn't matter if we drafted a bust. -
sleeper
I don't care who the Browns hire or how they draft this year; all I want is for them to trade or cut Manziel and afterwards admit that he was the worst QB that ever played for the Browns. -
BR1986FB
Not necessarily. I think Couch could've been an above average QB (not a franchise guy) but he had shit for a running game, so so WR's and very bad pass protection.SportsAndLady;1773492 wrote:Jesus...it's not about when out QB starts to play. He's either going to be good or he isn't.
If we play him from day one, we'll know if he's going to be good or not. It has nothing to do with wins or losses. You can just watch a young QB and know if he is going to amount to anything.
Play him from day one or don't. It doesn't matter if we drafted a bust. -
BR1986FB
No, he wasn't the worst.sleeper;1773495 wrote:I don't care who the Browns hire or how they draft this year; all I want is for them to trade or cut Manziel and afterwards admit that he was the worst QB that ever played for the Browns. -
sleeper
He's the worst. I'd rather have noodle arm Weeden or noodle arm Quinn than watch Manziel scramble around like an idiot for 4 quarters. He has no business being in the NFL and this doesn't even include his off the field stuff.BR1986FB;1773497 wrote:No, he wasn't the worst.