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like_that
I would have taken amare or even the spineless boozer over RJ for a vets min.lhslep134;1741989 wrote:And there's none in Europe, or else they'd have been brought over. There are talented players in Europe to be sure. But none that are "wasting away" waiting for the first available NBA opportunity.
You're allowed to bitch and moan about signing RJ, but you haven't provided any realistic alternatives so it's just a bunch of noise. -
lhslep134
Both players were worse, with Boozer significantly worse, than RJ in VORP last year. Say what you want about all other stats, but VORP is the closest you can come to normalizing bottom of the barrel players like the 3 we're discussing. And RJ can at least hit 3's.like_that;1741990 wrote:I would have taken amare or even the spineless boozer over RJ for a vets min. -
Commander of Awesome
My alternative is for the FO to comb through the Dleague/Euro league for a player. Didn't know you were an expert on the Euro league rosters /sarcasm!lhslep134;1741989 wrote:And there's none in Europe, or else they'd have been brought over. There are talented players in Europe to be sure. But none that are "wasting away" waiting for the first available NBA opportunity.
You're allowed to bitch and moan about signing RJ, but you haven't provided any realistic alternatives so it's just a bunch of noise.
Sorry I don't follow the dleague as close as you, good to know none are good enough for an nba roster /sarcasm.
I guess Seth Curry wasn't good enough last season to contribute to a team, but this season he's good enough for a 2 yr deal after being in the discussion for the summer league MVP! Would you rather have Seth Curry or Joe fucking Harris? Pretty obvious to me which one is the better player.
tl;dr: lol maybe if you weren't such a prick you wouldn't get turned down by solon girls. (still a deadringer for frodo baggins tho) -
lhslep134
So COA's response is
"I'll bitch and moan without providing alternatives because I'm lazy and instead of backing up my points I'll come back with a childish, irrelevant response"
Good to see things never change around here -
Commander of Awesome
and your alternative is RJ is great?
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lhslep134
At least like_that provided 2 alternatives, although I disagree with both.
And lol at using Seth Curry as an example. Pretty sure we'd all rather have Mo Williams than Seth flipping Curry who got a contract from the most dysfunctional FO in the league. -
lhslep134
No one said RJ is great, or even that he's still good. All KnowItAll and I are saying is that if you're going to bitch and moan about it, at least do so legitimately with some alternatives in mind rather than bitching for the sake of bitching.
Then again, given your childish response upon being challenged, bitching for the sake of bitching isn't surprising. -
Commander of Awesome
I would rather have any of these guys over RJ
http://dleague.nba.com/photo-gallery/2015-las-vegas-summer-league-top-performers-nba-dleague-alums/
Go here, filter for Forwards and I'd take 90% of them over RJ
http://dleague.nba.com/all-players/
RJ is 35 yrs old, and has been trash for the past several season. Least these guys might be able to provide something other than locker room guy this season. -
lhslep134
Let's see who that link contains but before that, let's acknowledge you're basing your argument on SUMMER LEAGUE performance. That's the ultimate LOL
1) Seth Curry's spot was already filled by Mo
2) The Spurs already have Kyle Anderson's rights
3) The Suns already have TJ Warren's rights
4) The Mavs already have Dwight Powell's rights
5) If you want Sean Kilpatrick, who flopped out of the NBA last year, over RJ, k
6) Justin Dentmon is a 6' guard who can't secure a spot in this league at 29. If you want him over RJ, k
7) Simmons is interesting; not surprised the Spurs jumped on him first.
8) Birch will be lucky to be in the rotation for the Pels, if they sign him, and the Cavs don't need another 4.
9) Last year the Sixers signed Tim Frazier instead of renewing Larry Drew II's 10 day contract. If you can't get the Sixers to want you, no thanks
10) The Lakers own Clarkson's rights -
Commander of Awesome
1) Curry could take Harris's spot FYIlhslep134;1742004 wrote:Let's see who that link contains but before that, let's acknowledge you're basing your argument on SUMMER LEAGUE performance. That's the ultimate LOL
1) Seth Curry's spot was already filled by Mo
2) The Spurs already have Kyle Anderson's rights
3) The Suns already have TJ Warren's rights
4) The Mavs already have Dwight Powell's rights
5) If you want Sean Kilpatrick, who flopped out of the NBA last year, over RJ, k
6) Justin Dentmon is a 6' guard who can't secure a spot in this league at 29. If you want him over RJ, k
7) Simmons is interesting; not surprised the Spurs jumped on him first.
8) Birch will be lucky to be in the rotation for the Pels, if they sign him, and the Cavs don't need another 4.
9) Last year the Sixers signed Tim Frazier instead of renewing Larry Drew II's 10 day contract. If you can't get the Sixers to want you, no thanks
10) The Lakers own Clarkson's rights
Also you're completely missing the point here. The point here is RJ sucks, has sucked, and will suck. There are guys in the NBA D League who are at least athletic, can give AT least what RJ will give (nothing), cost less, and have at least 1 iota of potential. It's up the front office to find these guys and sign them. Much rather take a flyer on a guy like Kyle Anderson, than waste time, resources, roster spot on trash (Perkins, Miller, Marion). -
j_crazy
Commander of Awesome;1742006 wrote:1) Curry could take Harris's spot FYI
Also you're completely missing the point here. The point here is RJ sucks, has sucked, and will suck. There are guys in the NBA D League who are at least athletic, can give AT least what RJ will give (nothing), cost less, and have at least 1 iota of potential. It's up the front office to find these guys and sign them. Much rather take a flyer on a guy like Kyle Anderson, than waste time, resources, roster spot on trash (Perkins, Miller, Marion).
The guys in the D-League can give you fresh legs. RJ is good for about 2 consecutive minutes then he's winded. i'm with you, if we are just filling the roster, lets fill it with guys that if you need to give someone a 5 minute breather, the guy on the bench can give you 5 minutes without having a fucking infarction. -
lhslep134
You'd rather have a 1st round pick than Perkins, Miller, or Marion? No way...Commander of Awesome;1742006 wrote: Much rather take a flyer on a guy like Kyle Anderson, than waste time, resources, roster spot on trash (Perkins, Miller, Marion).
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lhslep134
And I get your point, but it doesn't counter my point which is there are so few of those guys that exist out there.
Let me try and clarify this:
I completely agree with the point you're making, but I disagree with your implication that they're easy to find. Do I wish we signed someone better than RJ? Absolutely. But I don't really know who we would sign.
A better likelihood is getting rid of Haywood's contract and using the ensuing trade exception to pick up someone better than RJ during the season. -
j_crazy
easy with that shit. i already showed my logic for wanting to keep tyus jones. it's a moot point now with Mo Williams (i'd still rather have Tyus Jones for a many of the same reasons, plus he's cheaper than Mo, i think). But the point is, keep your fucking picks instead of trading them for some fucking Eurotrash, then use your MLE and veteran minimums to fill out the roster like this.lhslep134;1742011 wrote:You'd rather have a 1st round pick than Perkins, Miller, or Marion? No way...
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lhslep134
Yeah you absolutely need 1st round picks/hit on 2nd rounders to maintain a dynasty. You can't make the mistake of cycling through veterans every year, which is why I was cool with keeping Tyus as well.j_crazy;1742014 wrote:easy with that shit. i already showed my logic for wanting to keep tyus jones. it's a moot point now with Mo Williams (i'd still rather have Tyus Jones for a many of the same reasons, plus he's cheaper than Mo, i think). But the point is, keep your fucking picks instead of trading them for some fucking Eurotrash, then use your MLE and veteran minimums to fill out the roster like this.
But I can't really ascertain what you mean by "easy with that shit". I'd rather have Kyle Anderson than Miller, Perkins, or RJ -
j_crazy
just that you were making fun of him for wanting a first rounder over those corpses. when his point, which is a good point, is keep your picks and build depth in the draft, fill out the roster with FA and Vets and shit.
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lhslep134
No his point was that the Euro/D-League would provide a better alternative than RJ, which I disagree with.j_crazy;1742016 wrote:just that you were making fun of him for wanting a first rounder over those corpses. when his point, which is a good point, is keep your picks and build depth in the draft, fill out the roster with FA and Vets and shit.
If the point was keep your 1st rounder over RJ, I agree. -
j_crazy
yeah im with you there.lhslep134;1742018 wrote:No his point was that the Euro/D-League would provide a better alternative than RJ, which I disagree with.
If the point was keep your 1st rounder over RJ, I agree. -
friendfromlowry
The bigger problem was the injuries to Varejao, Irving, and Love. Put them (or even just two of them) back into the line-up and you have Dellavedova, Shumpert, and Varejao coming off the bench along with JR. Or however you want to do it. Either way, you're back to having four quality bench players. That's all GS had.sleeper;1741979 wrote:We care because it was apparent last season that we don't really have a talented bench. Almost half our bench last year was basically fillers/practice trash(Haywood, Perkins, Marion, Miller) that couldn't even get on the court. Jefferson is close to being in the same category.
We lose 3 of those 4 this year and replaced them with Mo Williams, RJ, and maybe one of the draft picks. Overall, it's not terrible but we could do better I think.
Plus weren't James Jones and Miller there largely because Lebron liked them? -
DeyDurkie5
COA being wrong and then acting like a bitch and deflecting.
Sounds about right. -
sleeper
Varejao blows and should be traded. Irving and Love, yes, but they aren't part of the bench. The Cavs probably have the worst bench in the NBA.friendfromlowry;1742078 wrote:The bigger problem was the injuries to Varejao, Irving, and Love. Put them (or even just two of them) back into the line-up and you have Dellavedova, Shumpert, and Varejao coming off the bench along with JR. Or however you want to do it. Either way, you're back to having four quality bench players. That's all GS had.
Plus weren't James Jones and Miller there largely because Lebron liked them? -
Laley23
Lol, of course they aren't part of the bench, but with them you move 2 players who started to the bench. 2 players who started and won 2 games of the NBA Finals.
Disclaimer: Delly is not good. -
BR1986FB
If those guys were healthy, the bench would've been just fine. Delly had one or two good games and he became some kind of cult hero.Laley23;1742136 wrote:Lol, of course they aren't part of the bench, but with them you move 2 players who started to the bench. 2 players who started and won 2 games of the NBA Finals.
Disclaimer: Delly is not good. -
Azubuike24
The starting 5 should be the starting 5 and the bench should be 7 guys who LeBron is good friends with. That's the way it's been trending for the last 5 years of his career, at least... -
Heretic
He was able to step into the Aaron Craft role for Ohioans as the "scrappy guy who plays really really hard to make up for lack of pure skill/athleticism". I think that is the most important role a player can have in this state to be considered awesome as fuck.BR1986FB;1742137 wrote:If those guys were healthy, the bench would've been just fine. Delly had one or two good games and he became some kind of cult hero.