2015 Browns Offseason Thread

• Azubuike24

  

  Over the last 5 years, only 12 teams (out of 160) have won 3 or less games. The Browns won 7 last year. Whether you think they are better or worse than in 2014, is up for debate, but factoring in historical data for 3-win or less seasons combined with the performance of the 2014 Browns, I'd set the odds of the Browns winning 3 or less games at about 20:1.
  
  So if I'm BR, I'd take a bet given those odds. Something like he bets $5 to win $100. Otherwise, he'd be a fool to bet at 4:1 odds even if he truly believes that will be the result.
• BR1986FB

  http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2015/8/12/9145843/washington-redskins-vs-detroit-lions-key-position-battles-what-to
• lhslep134

  

  BR1986FB;1745663 wrote:Stopping the run will be very important but, with it being a "pass first" league, the pass rush may be just as important, if not more so.

  Let's see...the Browns won 7 games last year with the 2nd ranked pass defense and the 31st ranked run defense and you think pass rush could be more important than run stopping?
  
  LOL
• BR1986FB

  lhslep134;1745677 wrote:Let's see...the Browns won 7 games last year with the 2nd ranked pass defense and the 31st ranked run defense and you think pass rush could be more important than run stopping?
  
  LOL

  If their run defense was 2nd ranked I'd bet my ass their pass defense wouldn't be 2nd. You, being a "numbers" guy, should know that stats can be misleading.
• lhslep134

  

  BR1986FB;1745679 wrote:If their run defense was 2nd ranked I'd bet my ass their pass defense wouldn't be 2nd. You, being a "numbers" guy, should know that stats can be misleading.

  http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef
  
  http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/glossary
  
  Figure out what DVOA is, figure out why it's the most valuable metric for analysis in football, and then re-evaluate your response.
• Mulva

  

  Disappointed TP is out. Looking forward to the defense more than the offense, which will probably be the case all year.
• like_that

  

  I just signed up for a PFF account. I am not sure why I didn't sign up before, this site was already awesome, but the premium content takes it to another level.
• SportsAndLady

  

  God iggy is pathetic. What a sad sad life he lives.
• Lovejoy1984

  

  Game streaming anywhere tonight?
• BR1986FB

  SportsAndLady;1745741 wrote:God iggy is pathetic. What a sad sad life he lives.

  The part about starting Manziel is delusional.
  
  Realistically, it would probably be the right thing to do but no coach in their right mind is going to do it if their job could be in jeopardy. If Pettine starts JFF and they win two games, looking horrible in the process, Haslam is still probably going to can him, regardless of his "we're not blowing it up" statement. At least with McCown, if they win 7 or 8, Pettine buys himself more time.
  
  As fans, many would prefer starting JFF to see if has it or if he's terrible, you have your draft pick, but a head coach isn't going to think that way (usually).
• Lovejoy1984

  

  Gilbert got burnt already, hopefully just jitters.
• SportsAndLady

  

  BR1986FB;1745749 wrote:The part about starting Manziel is delusional.
  
  Realistically, it would probably be the right thing to do but no coach in their right mind is going to do it if their job could be in jeopardy. If Pettine starts JFF and they win two games, looking horrible in the process, Haslam is still probably going to can him, regardless of his "we're not blowing it up" statement. At least with McCown, if they win 7 or 8, Pettine buys himself more time.
  
  As fans, many would prefer starting JFF to see if has it or if he's terrible, you have your draft pick, but a head coach isn't going to think that way (usually).

  I disagree with that. Pettine is going to start whoever is better. He isn't thinking, "Well i can win 7 games with McCown and save me a year or two, or I can start JFF who sucks and win 3 games and get fired." He's just going to think, "I'm starting McCown, hes better."
• Lovejoy1984

  

  McCown 5/5 with a TD on the first drive.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Hell of a first drive. McCown looked sharp.
• like_that

  

  Defense looks fine, minus Gilbert.
• Lovejoy1984

  

  Gilbert looks to be in Mid Season form....
• like_that

  

  What is Gipsons status?
• imex99

  

  Gilbert going to be a bust?
  
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• like_that

  

  Smh never mind I found him.
• Lovejoy1984

  

  Manziel with the rushing TD.
• like_that

  

  He looked a lot smarter with his feet those two series.
• Lovejoy1984

  

  Yes he has.
• Mulva

  

  It is good to have football back.
• slingshot4ever

  I like the all white jerseys
• iclfan2

  

  Gilbert is a boner. What a wasted pick. Shelton on the other hand is going to be a beast