2015 Browns Offseason Thread

• shook_17

  

  That's a horrible bet. The lions will win more games than the browns this year.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  shook_17;1743250 wrote:That's a horrible bet. The lions will win more games than the browns this year.

  The fact classy didn't jump all over it shows his knowledge of football.
• BR1986FB

  shook_17;1743250 wrote:That's a horrible bet. The lions will win more games than the browns this year.

  The Jags will probably win more games than the Browns this year.
• BR1986FB

  Commander of Awesome;1743225 wrote:Heading to the 480 bridge
  
  Offense
  
  Quarterback: Josh McCown, Browns
  Contract Flaws: Paying for the Outlier, The Marginal Talent
  McCown, the subject of a bidding war between the Bills and Browns this offseason, was a replacement-level backup for years before producing a stunning 224-pass sample with the Bears in 2013. That run was driven by a totally unsustainable interception rate of 0.4 percent, 10 times below his previous career average of 4.0 percent. The Buccaneers bit on the premise that McCown’s 2013 was more meaningful than his first 1,113 attempts and found that he was still Josh McCown; despite possessing Vincent Jackson and Mike Evans at wide receiver, McCown threw interceptions on 4.3 percent of his throws and saw his QBR fall from a league-high 85.1 in 2013 to 32.8 last year, a figure that only topped that of Jags rookie Blake Bortles.
  OK, so lesson learned, he’s still the same Josh McCown. But then why are the Browns convinced that last year was really the fluke? After McCown was paid about the veteran’s minimum for years and then struggled mightily last year, Cleveland outbid Buffalo for the right to give McCown another chance. The Browns guaranteed $6.25 million to McCown over the next two seasons to serve as their veteran stopgap ahead of Johnny Manziel, which doesn’t seem to fit any logical plan.
  The Browns aren’t one competent quarterback away from competing, and even if they were, McCown is 36 and has delivered one competent half-season of play during a 13-year career. If you think Manziel has a prayer, don’t pay meaningful guaranteed money to put somebody in his way. And if you don’t, at least try to find somebody with even a modicum of upside. Brian Hoyer wasn’t the answer, but there was at least some logic in using Hoyer, who had some tools and hadn’t been given much of a chance to prove anything about his professional future. We know what Josh McCown is by now.
  (Side note: Where’s Jay Cutler? While it’s amazing just how far Cutler’s stock has fallen in one year, it’s also true that this was a deal the Bears really couldn’t get out of doing. At the end of 2013, Cutler was a 30-year-old starting quarterback about to hit unrestricted free agency after a season in which he was above-average in just about every facet of performance. Cutler had also been just below league average during his five seasons in Chicago, and given how bad his offensive line was for his first three seasons in town, it was fair to project him to be about a league-average starter in 2014. You can fault the Bears for not signing him earlier or for structuring the deal in a way that basically guaranteed he would stay on the roster through 2016, but teams don’t give away league-average quarterbacks for nothing.)
  
  
  http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-nfls-all-bad-contracts-team/

  Hence my reason for little to no optimism for this season. The Browns went from a shitty QB (Hoyer) and an easy schedule to a shittier QB (McCown) and what looks like a tougher schedule (on paper). If this season needs to be a 2-3 win season to get that franchise QB, I'm all for it. They have pieces in place to be a playoff contender WITH a legit QB but until this QB "purgatory" ends, it's going to be one miserable year after another.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  BR1986FB;1743305 wrote:The Jags will probably win more games than the Browns this year.

  Are you fucking serious with this shit? The jags were a shit team last year. The Browns won 7 FUCKING GAMES. Stop treating this team like the same teams of the past. They aren't.
• BR1986FB

  DeyDurkie5;1743309 wrote:Are you fucking serious with this shit? The jags were a shit team last year. The Browns won 7 FUCKING GAMES. Stop treating this team like the same teams of the past. They aren't.

  With a cake walk of a schedule. They faced the AFC & NFC South which were probably the two shittiest divisions in football. You can be all "sunshine & ponies" all you want but I see a major step back in the win column this year. They may get off to a good start, with three patsies (Browns are patsies too, btw) but then it will get very real.
  
  Jags also have a "potential" franchise QB on their roster. I don't see that here.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  BR1986FB;1743312 wrote:With a cake walk of a schedule. They faced the AFC & NFC South which were probably the two shittiest divisions in football. You can be all "sunshine & ponies" all you want but I see a major step back in the win column this year. They may get off to a good start, with three patsies (Browns are patsies too, btw) but then it will get very real.
  
  Jags also have a "potential" franchise QB on their roster. I don't see that here.

  Lol you are an idiot. You are the non of browns fans. A Conner shaw lead Browns team took a lead into the 4th quarter at the Ravens in week 17. That isn't "patsies". And it's the nfl. Every schedule is basically a tough one. Such a bullshit fan.
• SportsAndLady

  

  BR1986FB;1743312 wrote:With a cake walk of a schedule. They faced the AFC & NFC South which were probably the two shittiest divisions in football. You can be all "sunshine & ponies" all you want but I see a major step back in the win column this year. They may get off to a good start, with three patsies (Browns are patsies too, btw) but then it will get very real.
  
  Jags also have a "potential" franchise QB on their roster. I don't see that here.

  You don't know our schedule is tougher than last year. The NFL changes yearly. For all we know the Jets Titans and Raiders (ok maybe not the raiders..) are going to be .500 and up teams and the afc north teams will be horrible. You just never know in the NFL.
• Al Bundy

  BR1986FB;1743312 wrote:With a cake walk of a schedule. They faced the AFC & NFC South which were probably the two shittiest divisions in football. You can be all "sunshine & ponies" all you want but I see a major step back in the win column this year. They may get off to a good start, with three patsies (Browns are patsies too, btw) but then it will get very real.
  
  Jags also have a "potential" franchise QB on their roster. I don't see that here.

  The Browns went 4-4 against the AFC&NFC South, and they went 3-5 against the rest of the schedule. It wasn't that great of a difference.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  I think we'll be a better team but might not show it in the W column.
• BR1986FB

  SportsAndLady;1743316 wrote:You don't know our schedule is tougher than last year. The NFL changes yearly. For all we know the Jets Titans and Raiders (ok maybe not the raiders..) are going to be .500 and up teams and the afc north teams will be horrible. You just never know in the NFL.

  I know what you're saying. That's why I said "on paper."
• BR1986FB

  DeyDurkie5;1743314 wrote:Lol you are an idiot. You are the non of browns fans. A Conner shaw lead Browns team took a lead into the 4th quarter at the Ravens in week 17. That isn't "patsies". And it's the nfl. Every schedule is basically a tough one. Such a bullshit fan.

  Sorry I'm not the "idiot" blind homer who says they are going to the playoffs EVERY year. :rolleyes: I look at things from a more realistic perspective.
• BR1986FB

  Commander of Awesome;1743318 wrote:I think we'll be a better team but might not show it in the W column.

  This I agree with. All around, they have more talent but the QB position is an albatross weighting them down.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  BR1986FB;1743321 wrote:Sorry I'm not the "idiot" blind homer who says they are going to the playoffs EVERY year. :rolleyes: I look at things from a more realistic perspective.

  Still doesn't make my point wrong.
• BR1986FB

  DeyDurkie5;1743323 wrote:Still doesn't make my point wrong.

  Sure it does because you're calling me a "bullshit fan" because I'm not slobbering all over the Browns knob, like you do year in and year out. Just because I look at things from a more realistic perspective, doesn't make me less of a "fan."
• DeyDurkie5

  

  BR1986FB;1743326 wrote:Sure it does because you're calling me a "bullshit fan" because I'm not slobbering all over the Browns knob, like you do year in and year out. Just because I look at things from a more realistic perspective, doesn't make me less of a "fan."

  Cake walk schedule no qb blah blah blah. You say the same shit every year. This team is 9-7 10-6 but you aren't basing it in reality, it's based on you being a bullshit fan.
• BR1986FB

  DeyDurkie5;1743327 wrote:Cake walk schedule no qb blah blah blah. You say the same shit every year. This team is 9-7 10-6 but you aren't basing it in reality, it's based on you being a bullshit fan.

  All right ! You just wrote a check you aren't going to be able to cash. "9-7 10-6?" What's the bet? I guaran-fucking-tee this team doesn't sniff 9 wins unless they acquire a legit QB.
  
  And believe me, I want nothing more than to have to pay you because the Browns would be staring at the playoffs with that many wins. But just to prove a point on how fucking dumb you are, name it...
• SportsAndLady

  

  Saying the Jags have a franchise QB and saying the Jags will have a better record than the Browns is having a realistic perspective?
• BR1986FB

  SportsAndLady;1743334 wrote:Saying the Jags have a franchise QB and saying the Jags will have a better record than the Browns is having a realistic perspective?

  I said that for effect/shock value but it wouldn't surprise me if they did. Bortles may be only going into his 2nd year but I think he's better than anything the Browns have on their roster.
• SportsAndLady

  

  BR1986FB;1743335 wrote:I said that for effect/shock value but it wouldn't surprise me if they did. Bortles may be only going into his 2nd year but I think he's better than anything the Browns have on their roster.

  A turd sandwich is better than anything the Browns have on their roster. Doesn't make the sandwich a franchise player.
• BR1986FB

  SportsAndLady;1743337 wrote:A turd sandwich is better than anything the Browns have on their roster. Doesn't make the sandwich a franchise player.

  Again, I said "potential" franchise QB. There are only a handful of what I'd deem true franchise quarterbacks in this league. Bortles has all of the tools to be that. He may very well not ever be that player but he has the skillset to do so.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  SOOOOOOOO looks like Pryor is least looking competent thus far in camp (against air). Twest got first carries with the 1s.
• BR1986FB

  Commander of Awesome;1743350 wrote:SOOOOOOOO looks like Pryor is least looking competent thus far in camp (against air). Twest got first carries with the 1s.

  Pryor is the story of camp. Whitner, Hartline & McCown all got interviewed yesterday and most of the questions directed toward them were about Pryor. Not a peep about Manziel.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  BR1986FB;1743329 wrote:All right ! You just wrote a check you aren't going to be able to cash. "9-7 10-6?" What's the bet? I guaran-fucking-tee this team doesn't sniff 9 wins unless they acquire a legit QB.
  
  And believe me, I want nothing more than to have to pay you because the Browns would be staring at the playoffs with that many wins. But just to prove a point on how fucking dumb you are, name it...

  9 wins and up 100$
• BR1986FB

  DeyDurkie5;1743388 wrote:9 wins and up 100$

  $1000