2015 Browns Offseason Thread

• iclfan2

  

  Browns picking back to back here (barring trade)
  
  
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• HitsRus

  

  JMHO....I'm all aboard on the first round picks, but less enamored with day2. I think BR has a point...this team is going to be a terrible watch next season. In a passing league, we will be like a throwback to 1960. I can see us dominating a game for 57 minutes and then losing it in the final 3 minutes.
• slingshot4ever

  Traded 2nd pick to Arizona...anyone know what for?
• iclfan2

  

  Grabbed safety Cambell out of Northwestern, and traded 116 to Arizona.
  
  
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• iclfan2

  

  Got back 123, 198 and 241.
  
  
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• iclfan2

  

  WR sighting! Vince Mayle out of Washington State. Differing twitter opinions and could also play TE.
• Crimson streak

  

  BR1986FB;1726271 wrote:I don't know a lot about him but if he's a speed back who can catch the ball, this pick is no surprise. Neither West or the Crow are burners or have the best hands. They needed a change of pace kind of back. This draft is playing into their game plan, run the ball and play defense.

  I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see duke as our main rb. He is very good and explosive and has excellent hands
  
  
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• BR1986FB

  HitsRus;1726285 wrote:JMHO....I'm all aboard on the first round picks, but less enamored with day2. I think BR has a point...this team is going to be a terrible watch next season. In a passing league, we will be like a throwback to 1960. I can see us dominating a game for 57 minutes and then losing it in the final 3 minutes.

  Mangini Ball
  
  It also goes back to what you said earlier about burning a 1st on Manziel. They probably couldn't get what they wanted at QB this year so they are loading up with safer/smashmouth type picks to put around him for the future. See what you've got at QB this year and if they suck, try again next year.
  
  Points will be at a premium this year and it's probably going to be some ugly football. I doubt Farmer scraps his gameplan but had they landed a QB earlier we might have seen a WR taken at an earllier point in the draft. Other than that I see Farmer as someone who stays true to his board.
• lhslep134

  

  I don't see an offense designed around Manziel's abilities being boring. It might not be successful, but it definitely won't be boring so I don't know why you guys are bitching that it will be
• MontyBrunswick

  

  lhslep134;1726293 wrote:I don't see an offense designed around Manziel's abilities being boring.

  what abilities? being an alcoholic?
• HitsRus

  

  Not bitching....merely speculating given the lack of playmakers and home run threat.
• BR1986FB

  HitsRus;1726295 wrote:Not bitching....merely speculating given the lack of playmakers and home run threat.

  They are going about this the smart way. If there was a QB on the roster that they thought was worth a shit, I bet they'd be drafting playmakers.
  
  Look at Pitt & Indy....they have shitty defenses yet elite QB's. They will usually add an offensive weapon or two for that QB while biding their time, trying to fix their defenses. In the case of Pittsburgh, I'd bet they will be a "cyclical" team. By the time Roethlisberger runs out of gas they will probably have an elite defense, with a crappy offense again.
  
  This is what it looks like Farmer is trying to do to me....loaded up the defense & run the ball, hoping to steal a 13-10, 17-13 type win at the end until they can get a franchise QB.
  
  This is why I refer to it as "Mangini Ball." Sure, Mangini was crappy at talent evaluation but he wanted tough/smart players (see Farmer). Mangini just wanted a puncher's chance at the end and knew he didn't really have the QB to do it. You could also refer to it as "Pete Carroll Ball" but he has the QB to do it but he, Mangini & Pettine seem to have similar philosophies.
• lhslep134

  

  I have a friend on facebook bitching and moaning about not drafting a WR early so I'm going to post what I said on there. Feel free to disagree, just sharing my thoughts:
  
  Why do you value WRs so much? Haven't the Seahawks and Patriots just showed that you don't need to spend draft capital on a WR to be successful? There are so few WRs that can succeed independently of their QB that you need to spend a high draft pick on them. After that, wasting valuable draft capital on a WR is pointless unless you have a QB that can put the ball in spots for the WR to succeed. I don't see one on our roster.
  
  So what is Farmer doing? Giving Manziel/McCown the best chance to succeed by shoring up the trenches and defense in an effort to increase the margin for error from the QB position.
• BR1986FB

  lhslep134;1726299 wrote:I have a friend on facebook bitching and moaning about not drafting a WR early so I'm going to post what I said on there. Feel free to disagree, just sharing my thoughts:
  
  Why do you value WRs so much? Haven't the Seahawks and Patriots just showed that you don't need to spend draft capital on a WR to be successful? There are so few WRs that can succeed independently of their QB that you need to spend a high draft pick on them. After that, wasting valuable draft capital on a WR is pointless unless you have a QB that can put the ball in spots for the WR to succeed. I don't see one on our roster.
  
  So what is Farmer doing? Giving Manziel/McCown the best chance to succeed by shoring up the trenches and defense in an effort to increase the margin for error from the QB position.

  It's spot on.
  
  One thing that I don't think a lot of people factor into drafting a projected "elite" WR high is the ego factor. These guys were used to putting up, in many cases, gaudy numbers in college. I'm not going to stereotype all WR's as divas but if they are putting up lofty numbers in college and come to a "run first" type system, I could see a WR getting disgruntled after his rookie season. Plus, if he's not putting up the numbers in year one, whether by his fault or not, there's always those high expectations/"is he a bust" speculation going into year two. If Manziel/McCown balls out this year, THEN grab the playmakers, but I agree with your assessment about having the QB who can "put it in spots."
• BR1986FB

  Browns take Charles Gaines (CB-Louisville), Malcolm Johnson (TE-Miss St) and Randall Telfer (TE-USC) in the 6th
• iclfan2

  

  So we took a nickel cb, a fb, and an oft injured TE with our 6th round picks.
• lhslep134

  

  This doesn't look like a FB lol [video=youtube;v3HjmVTxQ6c][/video]
• iclfan2

  

  Well, Browns are naming Johnson a fb...
  
  Solid 7th round linebacker pick. Kinda crazy Zach Stacy got traded for a 7th rounder
  
  
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• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  All american cb with your last pick ... I'll take it.
• Crimson streak

  

  I don't know about everyone else but I love this draft. Filled a lot of holes. Probably our best draft since we came back imo
  
  
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• Lovejoy1984

  

  Most everyone is naming the Browns as one of the winners of this draft.
  
  And I agree. Drafted need, didn't reach on players, and didn't trade a bunch of picks.
• HitsRus

  

  Really a pretty good draft ... Filled a lot of holes without reaching...
• Commander of Awesome

  

  HighRoller74;1726332 wrote:Most everyone is naming the Browns as one of the winners of this draft.
  
  And I agree. Drafted need, didn't reach on players, and didn't trade a bunch of picks.

  Where are you reading these grades? Only one I saw was Walter Football and he QQd that we didn't draft Marioto.
  
  http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftgradesteam.php
• bases_loaded

  

  If what chip Kelly offered the Titans was true and they turned it down it's obvious the Browns weren't getting MM. So without a franchise QB available they got better at positions they needed to get better at. While they lack a game breaker they don't lack guys who can get the job done.
• BR1986FB

  Commander of Awesome;1726404 wrote:Where are you reading these grades? Only one I saw was Walter Football and he QQd that we didn't draft Marioto.
  
  http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftgradesteam.php

  http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25172063/rapid-reaction-winners-and-losers-of-the-2015-nfl-draft
  
  http://www.sbnation.com/2015/5/2/8534357/2015-nfl-draft-grades-10-winners-cowboys-randy-gregory-browns
  
  http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000490553/article/winners-from-the-2015-nfl-draft
  
  
  
  A few...